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Get this into your thick skulls, liberal hacks: Mel Gibson is not a Roman Catholic
Telegraph ^ | July 19, 2010 | Damian Thompson

Posted on 07/20/2010 7:29:01 AM PDT by NYer

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To: Scotswife

“Notice anything funny about their attitude towards the pope?
jewish people?”

1. Most of the Protestants that are here using this personal tragedy as another opportunity to attack Catholicism have like feelings for the Pope...(anti Christ, anti Pope, Leader of the Whore of Babylon.

2. Most still believe in myths abut The Church so are ignorant as to why he is not a Catholic. Since they don’t see anything wrong with breaking away from Christ’s Church...they can’t relate to why he is not a Catholic. You’d think that somebody who believes the Pope is an anti-Pope would be understood as not being Catholic...yet ignorance is bliss.


51 posted on 07/20/2010 8:57:27 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (A loud band of PaulBots, Isolationists, Protectionists, 911Inside Jobnuts, 3rdParty Loud Irrelevants)
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To: jla

Amen.


52 posted on 07/20/2010 9:01:09 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray. Stop Barrystroika.)
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To: rbmillerjr

Become a Baptist, you want have to claim to be Protestant or Catholic.


53 posted on 07/20/2010 9:01:43 AM PDT by evangmlw
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To: fishtank
“if you took the time to converse with some of these people? sedevanticists - SSPX?”

Yes, I do converse with “some of these people”.....

They’re in my family, and I love them very much!!!

Same here.My daughter and her husband.(SSPX)

54 posted on 07/20/2010 9:02:28 AM PDT by painter (No wonder democrats don't mind taxes.THEY DON'T PAY THEM !)
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To: NYer

Why drag religion into Mels failed love life?


55 posted on 07/20/2010 9:09:07 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Scotswife
Notice anything funny about their attitude towards the pope? jewish people?

They didn't like John PaulII(I think he a Saint),but she likes the new Pope.

About the Jews she has never said anything about them.Next time I talk to my son inlaw I'll ask him.

56 posted on 07/20/2010 9:09:58 AM PDT by painter (No wonder democrats don't mind taxes.THEY DON'T PAY THEM !)
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To: evangmlw

Baptists are Protestants.

Even if they don’t understand or know it.


57 posted on 07/20/2010 9:10:11 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (A loud band of PaulBots, Isolationists, Protectionists, 911Inside Jobnuts, 3rdParty Loud Irrelevants)
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To: NYer
In fact, Mel Gibson is in some respects the opposite of a Catholic, since one of the themes of his fake Catholicism is that the Pope isn’t the Pope. Admittedly, Mel’s own theology tends to morph like a shape-shifting lizard, depending on how hung over he is, but in so far as he’s anything he’s a sedevacantist like his father, Hutton Gibson.

I knew his father was over the edge, but I didn't think Mel had joined him yet.

For the Guardian, though, Catholic is Catholic, and there is no distinction, they hate them all.

58 posted on 07/20/2010 9:19:38 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: NYer

Mel Gibson is the Advanced Industrial Nation’s version of a religous fundamentalist, with Roman Catholicism just happening to be the place he hangs his hat. There was more blood, from what I hear, in Passion of the Christ, than in most bloody Islamic rituals involving self-flagellation.
Of course, go take a look at any Catholic Church in Mexico and you’re likely to see the acolytes (sometimes old ladies)
crawling on their knees up the broad and deep and numerous steps to the Church’s front door, which is inevitably going to be another bloody ritual. How many religions don’t involve blood and pain?


59 posted on 07/20/2010 9:21:40 AM PDT by supremedoctrine ("Every election is like an advance auction sale of stolen goods"--H.L.Mencken)
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To: agere_contra

Mel Gibson is not a threat to my country, my finances, nor to my life...

Ergo, what he does, thinks, says is irrelevant, and a convenient distraction for those that ARE all of the above.

And if the Left hates him, well, the “enemy of my enemy is my friend...”

Pretty much sums it up.


60 posted on 07/20/2010 9:37:17 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: supremedoctrine

“with Roman Catholicism just happening to be the place he hangs his hat.”

Incorrect. Google SSPX and see the difference.

“There was more blood, from what I hear, in Passion of the Christ, than in most bloody Islamic rituals involving self-flagellation.”

Being whipped, scourged, and crucified is like that, a tad bloody.


61 posted on 07/20/2010 9:52:46 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (A loud band of PaulBots, Isolationists, Protectionists, 911Inside Jobnuts, 3rdParty Loud Irrelevants)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Thank you. You took the bottom line and exposed the truth.

If he lost both legs Mel’s critics would muster some slack and sympathy, but never for internal sufferings not seen by the eye. Disorders of the mind and spirit are still scorned, judged and mocked by the standard of outward symtoms, in our supposed “enlightened” society. I feel terribly sorry for this gifted man, and it is frequently the gifted who do suffer from bipolar disorder.

Praying for the creator of THE PASSION.


62 posted on 07/20/2010 10:26:54 AM PDT by RitaOK
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To: NYer

Liberal Hollywood sharpened its knives for him when he brought out “The Patriot,” a total departure from their values. Since then it’s been a series of brutal muggings of his work in the MSM. Over my life I’ve met a hundred Irish barflies who didn’t talk or act any differently than Mel, God bless them and their songs and stories. The righteous might quake in terror of this spectre haunting the nation’s bar rooms and taverns and corrupting the youth, but it’s true.


63 posted on 07/20/2010 10:32:08 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Social Justice is the right to refuse to buy them the rope they want to hang you with.)
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To: NYer

While there can be good reason to question the morality of some of Mr. Gibson’s personal behavior - because of what we have been told so far, I think the high level of public angst about that question stems from a grave sin by a majority of the public; which is the sin of buying into the idol worship industries to begin with; making celebrities to be worshiped and “moral” examples of mere actors and entertainers.

I think the entire world would be better off if all anyone knew, personally about an artist was their art. We would be free to judge their art on its own merits and free to let God judge their lives. Knowing only their art and not asked to worship them, they would not be living in an idol-worshiping fishbowl and so many people wouldn’t be trying to join them there.


64 posted on 07/20/2010 11:03:22 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Scotswife

SSPX? in you family? really?

Notice anything funny about their attitude towards the pope?
jewish people?...

...Hmmm...let me guess, you really, really love the Novus Ordo church, right?
...you are aware that Benedict and the SSPX have been in talks concerning reconciliation, are you not? Sure sounds like they have a funny attitude toward the Pope, sitting down with him face to face to try and work out the ridiculous mess foisted n the Church by Paul VI and his flunky Bugnini...


65 posted on 07/20/2010 11:08:09 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: rbmillerjr

How did I know this was coming. Ever heard of John the Baptist? He was before the reformation that produced Protestants. We baptist follow the tradition of John the Baptist — we going to dunk you good in the water. We were before the Protestant Reformation, therefore we are not Protestants.


66 posted on 07/20/2010 11:29:27 AM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Scotswife
SSPX? in you family? really?

Notice anything funny about their attitude towards the pope? jewish people?

Why engage in such generalised stereotypes? Surely you realise that we Catholics, of all types, are being treated in just this way by the world at large. Does it seem just to you? I don't think it is.

The SSPX are in talks with the Holy Father, who has been very generous in his language regarding that group. I have not heard anything from him suggesting that they are not Catholic. And smears of anti-semitism are so cliche and common these days I can't help but disregard them entirely. Oh, I know, people will point out the crazy Bishop Williamson as somehow representative. I would only counter that if that holds true then of course the Catholic Church must be founded on sexual abuse of children. After all, I have no doubt that I can find many, many more bishops and priests associated with abuse in the Catholic Church than you could holocaust denying bishops and priests in the SSPX.

67 posted on 07/20/2010 11:42:46 AM PDT by cothrige
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To: NFHale

” Mel Gibson is not a threat to my country, my finances, nor to my life...

Ergo, what he does, thinks, says is irrelevant, and a convenient distraction for those that ARE all of the above. “

I worry about people like Shabazz, who wants to kill all white people. Of course, he gets no press.


68 posted on 07/20/2010 11:45:47 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Support our Troops, and vote out the RINOS!)
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To: cothrige

JP II declared SSPX adherents to be in schism and their leaders excommunicated in Ecclesia Dei. As Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (then running the Holy Office), Benedict XVI signed off on the excommunications as did Bernardin Cardinal Gantin of Dahomey, head of the Congregation for Bishops. Has B-XVI formally withdrawn the excommunications and the declaration of schism??? If you claim that B-XVI himself has done so, please document the claim. Castrillon de Hoyos and his subordinate bureaucrats are not popes and lacked the authority to whitewash SSPX. As head of the Holy Office, B-XVI “had discussions” with his onetime professor Hans Kung but not to Kung’s relief. Quite the contrary.


69 posted on 07/20/2010 12:11:48 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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To: cothrige

I don’t have to rely on generalized stereotypes. I experienced it.


70 posted on 07/20/2010 12:20:43 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: IrishBrigade

“...Hmmm...let me guess, you really, really love the Novus Ordo church, right?”

If you are asking me if I am a catholic - the answer is yes.
All I remember is Norvus Ordo - as that is all that is offered in the parish I grew up in.
However - I am very open to attending latin mass, and plan on doing so - just in an schismatic church.

“...you are aware that Benedict and the SSPX have been in talks concerning reconciliation, are you not?”

Yes I am.

“Sure sounds like they have a funny attitude toward the Pope, sitting down with him face to face to try and work out the ridiculous mess foisted n the Church by Paul VI and his flunky Bugnini...”

Uh huh - they sure do.
Go to their forums and have a little chat with them.
Oh wait - are you already there? ;)

Of course, we are confusing matters a bit.
The Gibsons are not SSPX.
Here is Hutton’s site

http://www.huttongibson.com


71 posted on 07/20/2010 12:25:57 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: IrishBrigade

LOL!
Make that “not” in a schismatic church.


72 posted on 07/20/2010 12:27:11 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: rbmillerjr

“You’d think that somebody who believes the Pope is an anti-Pope would be understood as not being Catholic...yet ignorance is bliss.”

exactly.
It’s difficult on these threads- usually everyone wants to start doctrinal debate.

That’s not my intention.

It’s quite simple.

The guy is not a member of the catholic church.


73 posted on 07/20/2010 12:30:54 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife

Sigh, we’ve got SSPXers in our family as well. A couple of priests, a nun and countless members. It’s sad, because they are so angry, really in the end that’s the only way to describe it. And yes, the Jews are the root of all the world’s problems in their eyes.

Bizarre.


74 posted on 07/20/2010 12:42:10 PM PDT by mockingbyrd (Remember in November.)
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To: mockingbyrd

angry - yes. Probably the best way to describe it.
Lots and lots of anger.
Sort of like Mel.
I know he’s not SSPX, but their outlook is very similar.


75 posted on 07/20/2010 12:54:14 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife

“towards jewish people?”

Yeah. The attitude is disgusting.

Frankly.


76 posted on 07/20/2010 1:04:07 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Scotswife; metmom
He never “was” a catholic either. He was born into the Church of Hutton

Mel Gibson belongs of to splinter sect of the Catholic Church run by his father who denounces the changes made by the Second Vatican Council. Still, Gibson is a Catholic and this has prompted Bill Donohue to come to his defense. In a press release by the Catholic League, Donohue implies that Gibson is the victim of anti-Catholic bigotry. He goes on to blame “Secular Jews” for “fomenting anti-Catholicism” and trying to equate any and all criticism of the actions and beliefs of the Catholic Church with anti-Semitism and racism.

http://www.examiner.com/x-8928-Philadelphia-Atheism-Examiner~y2010m7d19-Catholic-Watch-Donohue-defends-Mel-Gibson-and-calls-Leno-a-bigot

Born on Jan. 3, 1956 in Peekskill, NY, Gibson was raised by his father, Hutton, a railroad brakeman who was a leading figure in the ultra-conservative Catholic splinter group, The Alliance for Catholic Traditions, and his mother, Ann. After falling from a train and injuring his back, Gibson’s father won a workman’s compensation suit against New York Central Railroad in 1968 and moved the family to Sydney, Australia soon after. During his high school years, Gibson attended St. Leo’s Catholic College, an all-boys school founded by the Congregation of Christian Brothers

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contributor/1800019113/bio

Vat 2 was after Mels birth in 1956 in 1962...so Mel has that indelible mark on his soul from his Catholic baptism ...Catholics have to deal with that ....

77 posted on 07/20/2010 1:28:10 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me)
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To: Slyfox

“We prayed for the success of “Passion,” however, we did not pray for Mel.”

I couldn’t agree more. The devil and the liberal media absolutely HATE what Mel Gibson did with the Passion of the Christ.

God only knows how many thousands (perhaps millions) of people accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior as a result of watching that movie. Mel Gibson might very well be the most successful evangelist (in terms of bringing numbers people to Christ) of all time.

After the “Passion” I remember Mel talked about wanting to direct other Biblical movies - I would really like to see him do this. I’ve always thought that he alone could make a movie about abortion that would make it so real and personal it could literally help to overturn Roe v. Wade in this country.

From the time the “Passion” was released, Satan and the liberals have recognized what a threat Mel is to the kingdom of darkness and have tried to take him out in any way possible.

Mel Gibson needs our prayers right now and not our criticism. He has been used mightily by God - and I believe can be restored, with a great testimony of God’s grace, and continue to do what the Lord has gifted him to do.

Please pray for him.


78 posted on 07/20/2010 1:40:56 PM PDT by Lions Gate
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To: RnMomof7; James C. Bennett; Scotswife

He is Catholic just like all those Catholics sitting in the evangelical/”non-denominational”/Pentecostal/protestant YOPIS flavor of the week. Meaning he is one of us, but has separated from us and put himself above the Church as authority on truth. It is the way of sin and ignorance.

He is under attack from powers and dominions that hate all of us and his father set him on a sedevacantist foundation of sand. In that sand pit he has, not unlike old Henry VIII, created his own church and congregation to rubber stamp his actions and tell him he is doing right. Let us all hope that through all this God will protect him and show him the folly of his ways. He has great talent and would be a powerful tool for spreading the Gospel if only he repents and turns back to the narrow path.


79 posted on 07/20/2010 1:43:15 PM PDT by Flying Circus
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To: HushTX

Hey, I have an idea! You’re going to love this.

See, the Protestants and the Catholics aren’t fighting enough here. So what WE need is a way to get the Catholics to fight THEMSELVES!

If we can create a three-way argument, with the Protestants, the Catholics and the erm... Catholics, then we can REALLY spice things up.

Besides, who gives a flip about the whole “Unity in Christ” nonsense? That’s just a talking point. The REAL excitement is in religious anger.

......yep.


80 posted on 07/20/2010 2:25:32 PM PDT by HushTX (quit whining)
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To: HushTX

Mel isn’t a traditional Catholic. He made his own church, kind of like others have.


81 posted on 07/20/2010 2:28:42 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: evangmlw

“therefore we are not Protestants.”

You say “we” are not Protestants. But other Baptists do consider themselves Protestants. Doctrinally, Baptists adhere to the “protest”.


82 posted on 07/20/2010 3:03:19 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (A loud band of PaulBots, Isolationists, Protectionists, 911Inside Jobnuts, 3rdParty Loud Irrelevants)
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To: A CA Guy

Sure, but he’s also not on this thread, arguing with other Catholics.

Please understand, I respect the opinions of everyone on this list, even if I disagree- that is, if I know enough TO disagree. But I make a point of making a point when I see all our “Brothers and Sisters in Christ” turning on one another, for any reason.

And then I’ll join the fray.

I’m Anglican. I’m not “Catholic” in the minds of almost every member of the Roman Catholic Church. That’s fine, it doesn’t bother me. I consider myself Catholic in the sense that I do my best to keep the Eucharist, observe many Catholic traditions, etc. So, despite the fact that most members of the Roman Catholic Church don’t consider me Catholic, I do. And I’ll side with my RCC buddies 9 times out of 10.

But it is disturbing to see such infighting. Even though I know it’s not going to stop, I’m still going to say something. After all, you never know who might be reached. “The works of the spirit are invisible,” someone once told me.

As for Mel Gibson and his particular brand of Catholicism... I don’t care. He’s Catholic. Not Roman, not Anglican, but whatever. Personally, I don’t care. His behavior was unacceptable and he should be held to task for it. That said, I don’t think his behavior was fully his own, and I’m confident there’s more at play here than we’ll ever know.


83 posted on 07/20/2010 3:04:04 PM PDT by HushTX (quit whining)
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To: Flying Circus
if only he repents and turns back to the narrow path.

1 Peter 1: 18Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 21Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

22Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently: 23Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

I hope Mel finds Christ

84 posted on 07/20/2010 3:25:42 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me)
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To: rbmillerjr

We may agree with the protest; however, we existed before and after apostate Catholicism; never giving into nor being under Catholicism’s heirarchy. We were persecuted by Catholicism long before the Protestant Reformation.


85 posted on 07/20/2010 3:37:44 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: rbmillerjr

Protestants came out from Catholicism, Baptist were never part of Catholicism.


86 posted on 07/20/2010 3:39:17 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: Flying Circus

An overwhelming majority, if not all Catholics will split hell wide open when they leave this world. That’s a fact! I’ll choose Jesus Christ and the Scriptures to rest my eternal destiny on, not a false church.


87 posted on 07/20/2010 3:44:11 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: evangmlw

May The Lord bless you and keep you. May the Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you. May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace.


88 posted on 07/20/2010 4:13:29 PM PDT by Flying Circus
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To: Flying Circus

He has and will continue to do so because His word has made the promise to me. By His grace and power I was delivered from 10 years of drunkeness and drug addiction. Three rehabilitation centers and numerous medical professionals were unable to help me. I simply fell on my knees and cried out to God for His mercy. He miraculously delivered me! That was thirty-years ago. Today I pastor a church, passing the message on to others. That message is simple — Jesus saves and sets folks free. “There is One Mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.” He is all anyone needs to approach the throne of God!


89 posted on 07/20/2010 4:26:48 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: NYer
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chrgibson1.htm

Another article FYI

90 posted on 07/20/2010 4:28:41 PM PDT by whence911 (Here illegally? Go home. Get in line!)
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To: NYer
Mel needs to sit down and have a chat with Fr. Corapi. It sounds like Mel's demons have taken him to a place of true darkness.

Others have been there and worked their way out of it, so can Mel.

The good Fr. could set his straight on the true Church and fighting his own demons.

91 posted on 07/20/2010 4:35:51 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: NYer
Received wisdom is that Gibson cannot recover from this. But one course is still open to him. If ever priesthood beckoned a man, it is surely now. At least he apparently saves his violence for adult females.

This is a terrible insult to the Church. Unfortunately, there is a no measure of jusfifiable bitterness on the part of those wronged. The Church has no defense, as far as I'm concerned, for the abuse of innocents. But of course, the entire Church isn't guilty.

92 posted on 07/20/2010 4:42:51 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Lying, socialist thieves. Any questions?)
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To: the invisib1e hand
there is a no measure of jusfifiable

...there is no measure of justifiable...

93 posted on 07/20/2010 4:44:08 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Lying, socialist thieves. Any questions?)
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To: RnMomof7

Bill Donahue does not decide who is and who is not a member.

The Gibsons themselves have separated themselves - and have done so loudly and proudly.

Gibson was baptized a catholic.
So was Glen Beck.
And yet no one considers Beck to be a catholic because he left and became a mormon.


94 posted on 07/20/2010 5:47:59 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Flying Circus

“. Meaning he is one of us, but has separated from us and put himself above the Church as authority on truth.”

OK. Yes - I can go along with that. Certainly.


95 posted on 07/20/2010 5:51:13 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: HushTX

consider this website, then ask yourself again if the Gibsons are catholic.

http://www.huttongibson.com


96 posted on 07/20/2010 5:56:14 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

“Mel displays all the classic symptoms of Biploar type I. In a 2008 documentary, Acting Class of 1977, he first talked about being diagnosed with bipolar disorder.”

In one tape Oskana tells him he needs medication.

Bipolars sometimes feel fine, so they go off the meds, only to have episodes.

I read the most important thing a bipolar needs to remember: don’t go off the meds because you feel okay.

Also, there has been no mention that I have heard that Mel was/was not on the sauce again. Could be another variable.

Money can’t buy sobriety, or serenity, or a quiet mind.

I hope the remaining people who care about Mel help him to get the kind of help he may need.


97 posted on 07/20/2010 6:11:12 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: BlackElk
Has B-XVI formally withdrawn the excommunications and the declaration of schism???

The Holy Father hasn't lifted the excomms?

Keep taking those fatso pills you're on. Separation from reality does have its bennies.

98 posted on 07/20/2010 8:26:12 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: BlackElk
Has B-XVI formally withdrawn the excommunications and the declaration of schism???

Well, not that it is entirely the point, but I do believe that the excommunications have in fact been lifted, leading to a great controversy regarding the aforementioned Williamson. And, you may reject the opinions of the Cardinal placed in authority by the Holy Father himself, but it would not change the matter. The Pope commissioned Ecclesia Dei with its authority and when it acted it did so in his name, unless he openly countermanded it. He never did this regarding the state of the SSPX, and considering this suggesting that the opinions of the Cardinal in question can be denied by lay people in the pews sounds a bit like what those in the SSPX are themselves arguing.

And, all of this aside, the SSPX are still obviously Catholic. Their wounded relationship with Rome has not made them otherwise, or severed their responsibilities as priests and bishops to obey Rome. They are Catholics still, if bad ones. If they are not Catholic then they would not be bound in any way to answer to the Holy See, as everyone demands they do, which is itself evidence that people know that they are still in fact Catholic.

99 posted on 07/20/2010 8:27:16 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: Scotswife

Considering that there’s all kinds of wacky c$#p out there, for example the awesome adaptations of Catholicism that has come to be known as “folk Catholicism” in Mexico, I’ll forgive the Gibsons their bizarre deviance.

Why?

Because it’s like I always say: put something in the hands of man long enough and it will be corrupted. That’s true of EVERYTHING.

Their Catholicism or lack thereof has no bearing on my pursuit of divine fellowship. That’s between them and God. Let them sort it out.


100 posted on 07/20/2010 8:35:47 PM PDT by HushTX (quit whining)
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