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Roads to Ruin: Towns Rip Up the Pavement(America returning to the stone age?)
Wall Street Journal ^ | 7/17/2010 | Lauren Etter

Posted on 07/20/2010 8:34:11 AM PDT by mick

Paved roads, historical emblems of American achievement, are being torn up across rural America and replaced with gravel or other rough surfaces as counties struggle with tight budgets and dwindling state and federal revenue. State money for local roads was cut in many places amid budget shortfalls.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: decline; gravel; roads; rural
The wages of Fiat Money,Overspending,and Debt is decline in our standard of living...THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE
1 posted on 07/20/2010 8:34:16 AM PDT by mick
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To: mick

It’s called “devolution”.


2 posted on 07/20/2010 8:36:19 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: mick

How we sure we’re not talking about milling...and putting chips on the roads which does away with the old system of repaving.


3 posted on 07/20/2010 8:36:35 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: mick

In Texas, we don’t rip our roads up... we sell ‘em to Spain and they rent ‘em back to us. :-)


4 posted on 07/20/2010 8:40:52 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: All
We've been doing this for years...

It's a great economical move on the part of the county. The new stones are loose for a while but get gound in after a couple of weeks.

Town of Webster Monroe County NYS

5 posted on 07/20/2010 8:40:52 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: mick
A great deal of the early talk about the Stimulus Bill was that it would focus on infrastructure: roads, bridges, etc.

And we are, with a $1.4T deficit this year, and we can't afford to pave our roads.

Blows me away.

6 posted on 07/20/2010 8:41:15 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: mick

Yup...then pay unemployed for make-work jobs to build roads, etc.

Duhhh


7 posted on 07/20/2010 8:41:33 AM PDT by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think." Adolph Hitler)
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To: mick
I live a community where there are dirt roads........awful. Evey time it rains, culverts that could swallow a car. Dust, mud......
8 posted on 07/20/2010 8:42:54 AM PDT by svcw (True freedom cannot be granted by any man or government, only by Christ.)
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To: mick

Send in Shirley Sherrod, she will get those crackers rolling down the highway in no time.


9 posted on 07/20/2010 8:44:53 AM PDT by junta (S.C.U.M. = State Controlled Unreliable Media)
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To: All
We went to a little town in Canada for our fishing vacation.

The last 40 miles was gravel and dirt roads...Lotsa excitement...the car was all over the place. Occasionally, we'd see a grader making the road nice, nice again....

10 posted on 07/20/2010 8:44:59 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: mick

Sometimes you have to chose what’s more important: paving the roads, or feeding, clothing, housing, imprisoning, medical for the illegal Mexicans who do the jobs Americans on unemployment won’t do.


11 posted on 07/20/2010 8:46:42 AM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: Sacajaweau

40 miles of dirt roads, I bet you swore you felt like the car was losing bolts and screws! After that long on dirt roads, it’s always a shock to get out and see the car still in tact.


12 posted on 07/20/2010 8:47:23 AM PDT by riri
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To: svcw

>> Evey time it rains, culverts that could swallow a car. Dust, mud......

Keeps the tourist riff-raff out though... right?


13 posted on 07/20/2010 8:47:39 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Dogbert41

>> feeding, clothing, housing, imprisoning, medical for the illegal Mexicans

Oh, BS.

We don’t imprison any.

(rest of it is accurate though)


14 posted on 07/20/2010 8:49:12 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: mick

People need to find non government solutions to the problems arising from government’s waste and mismanagement. The first step to making improvements and maintenance affordable is to get government out of the process.


15 posted on 07/20/2010 8:50:32 AM PDT by pallis
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To: mick

So we all take what is written at face value? What is wrong with the old needs based assessment of spending of tax dollars. If a road has 10 cars per day drive down it then how is it fair that that particular road gets expensive paving? There are lots of road around where I live that are perfectly drivable as dirt roads - they are solid, have fewer pot holes than paved roads and are inexpensive to maintain.

I don’t think this portends some demise in our economy but common sense. We get all emotional about things like an article saying we are headed back to the stone age - come on!

There exists a concept I call “Good enough” - and it should be applied to everything involving taxpayer dollars. Is the school “good enough” or do we need it to be some palace? Is the road good enough or do we need it to be paved, lined, with a bicycle path alongside?

I applaud these states, cities and townships who make these difficult decisions. It’s way past time that we all look at any tax expenditure with an eye toward how many it affects and not just who it affects. If a rural road has 2 homes per mile their tax investment certainly can’t match that of a city street with 200 homes per mile - so we need to spend accordingly.


16 posted on 07/20/2010 8:50:48 AM PDT by msrngtp2002 (Just my opinion.)
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To: riri
The old cars we had were amazing...3 kids, a dog, and mom and dad and a 80 lb Penn Yan on top of the car.

Nothing like a walleye from fresh Canadian waters!!!

17 posted on 07/20/2010 8:54:17 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: glorgau
"It’s called “devolution”."

But if we just wait long enough the roads will rebuild themselves.

Afterall, that's how we humans got here, right?

Given the magic element of enough time, the Law of Entropy that says things go from order to disorder gets reversed by one of an infinite number of possibilities coming to fruition and evolution causing it to progress.

The eventual result of this anomaly of nature and reality is what we now know as the Progressive/Democrat Party.

So maybe breaking up the roads is really Progress, because it's providing something more akin to raw materials for time to work its magic on.

18 posted on 07/20/2010 8:58:45 AM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: mick

They know what they are doing. After a few months the taxpayers will be happy to cough up a few more bucks to pay for new roads.


19 posted on 07/20/2010 9:04:13 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (How can I annoy a liberal today?)
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To: mick
Being from Georgia, when I went into the Air Force in 1964 a lot of those "yankee boys" - whose only exposure to the South was reading "Tobacco Road", or watching Andy Griffith - would ask me if the GI issue shoes were the first shoes I'd ever had; or "do yoose guys have 'lectricity down there yet?". It was their automatic response to probably the first Southern accent they had ever heard.

Well, the truth is, I hardly ever went barefoot, I always had shoes; heck, we even had an indoor bathroom, electric lights, a telephone, AND a TV.

But, even though we had paved roads, there were still a lot of side roads that were not paved. I learned to drive mostly on those roads when I was about 14...no traffic much to worry about...or cops.

Sections of those roads would wash out and become "rubboard", or "washboard", roads, with series of ridges like an old washboard...they made you feel like the car was coming apart. Then there were deep ditches on either side, and when it rained...wow...slipping and sliding was not just a song lyric.

Once a month or so, the "roadscraper" would come through and smooth them all out for a while, at least until the next big rainstorm.

It was really hard to keep your car clean, especially if you lived on a dirt road; mud and that old Georgia red clay would cake underneath the fenders in the rain, and the choking dust would not only coat your car, but most everything in your yard and in your house (no air conditioning in those days, so the windows stayed up most of the time), if your house was close to the road.

But I really, really, don't want to go back to those days...dirt roads are a pain; gravel roads aren't much better. Where I lived in "town" and our roads were paved with a generous coating of tar, with pea-gravel embedded. Better than dirt, but a little rougher than concrete or ashphalt like we have today.

But tearing up paved roads, back to dirt, seems like some "spite" is involved. These people know if they make the roads terrible enough, then people will be open to TAX INCREASES to get the roads fixed...sort of in line with Emmanuals "never let a good crisis go to waste." mantra.

Our only answer is to create crisis for the dems in November, and in 2012...the loss of their jobs.
20 posted on 07/20/2010 9:09:46 AM PDT by FrankR (It doesn't matter what they call us, only what we answer to....)
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To: pallis

There you go tryin to be all sensible again!


21 posted on 07/20/2010 9:12:10 AM PDT by onona (dbada)
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To: Dogbert41

“Sometimes you have to chose what’s more important: paving the roads, or feeding, clothing, housing, imprisoning, medical for the illegal Mexicans who do the jobs Americans on unemployment won’t do.”

Spot on. At an average of $30k in taxes per illegal I’m a guessing we could have nicely paved roads down to every outhouse in the country. Hell, we could even afford to have SEIU thugs install the asphalt and still come out ahead. I wonder why we don’t do it?


22 posted on 07/20/2010 9:12:26 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: mick

Not in my town! We are tearing up perfectly good sidewalks and replacing them....all in the name of stimulus cash!

Obummer’s “Recovery Act” signs are plastered all over town. UGH!

The waste really ticks me off


23 posted on 07/20/2010 9:14:15 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Professional Politicians are a Threat to the Republic! Remove them on 11-3-10!)
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To: mick

Right out of the pages of Atlas Shrugged. It amazes me how prescient Ayn Rand was.


24 posted on 07/20/2010 9:18:59 AM PDT by LouD ("against all enemies, foreign and domestic...")
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To: riri

***40 miles of dirt roads, I bet you swore you felt like the car was losing bolts and screws!***

Ever been to Sitting Bull Falls near Carlsbad, NM or left Counselor, NM and headed for Chaco Canyon?

Ever tried driving the back roads through the Ozarks?

There are lots of unpaved backroads out there!


25 posted on 07/20/2010 9:19:50 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Viva los SB 1070)
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

***Not in my town! We are tearing up perfectly good sidewalks and replacing them....all in the name of stimulus cash!***

That was also done back in the 1930s. the sidewalks were all stamped...WPA (We Piddle Around) as my grandmother used to say!


26 posted on 07/20/2010 9:22:34 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Viva los SB 1070)
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To: mick
This may prove to be a false economy. In many instances, bituminous surface treatment (chip seal) is actually less expensive than a gravel surface. The chip seal costs more up front, but saves on maintenance.
27 posted on 07/20/2010 9:23:41 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: mick

I hate when the press does this... they find some obscure example of something and say..” Some towns are tearing up their paved roads...” Implying that many are doing it. It took me 15 min. but the town of spiritwood ND has barley 100 people in it. This does not make a trend, and barely worth noting.


28 posted on 07/20/2010 9:27:14 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Nervous Tick
In Texas, we don’t rip our roads up... we sell ‘em to Spain and they rent ‘em back to us. :-)

Yea, but we get to keep the mineral rights!

29 posted on 07/20/2010 9:27:21 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: LouD
Right out of the pages of Atlas Shrugged.

I was thinking of Children of Men (the book). In that distopia the British government's sole concern is managing the efficient demise of civilization due to the end of human fertility.

They stopped maintaining and then tore up roads and engaged in forced euthanasia. Chilling stuff.

30 posted on 07/20/2010 9:39:57 AM PDT by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: Walkingfeather
This does not make a trend, and barely worth noting.

Propaganda by the MSM to justify some government tax increase.

31 posted on 07/20/2010 9:43:23 AM PDT by TYVets
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To: mick

Thank GOD that zero has this country moving in the “right” direction!!!

/extreme sarc


32 posted on 07/20/2010 9:48:06 AM PDT by DustyMoment
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To: FrankR
I like gravel roads!

I have only owned one house in my life that was on a paved road, and I swore I would never own another one. If they ever try to pave my road I will file suit to block it.

Once a road get paved it turns into a drag strip and urban yuppies want to buy a tiny lot and build build a house. Then they bitch about everything normal in rural life.

33 posted on 07/20/2010 9:55:44 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: mick

LOL, whats all the fuss over dirt & gravel roads? I think they make far more sense than hot tops, in the end requiring far less inputs. I lived on one in NH and 2 or 3 times/yr it would get graded and sometimes stone aded. The road was never terrible even tho it had water issues. In fact it was better most of the time than hot tops. Those required more expensive inputs and repair procedures so maint was done only when dire. Give me a dirt/gravel road any day. Oh, and they dont slick up nearly so bad as a hot top.


34 posted on 07/20/2010 9:56:40 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: mick

In many cases product like “EarthZyme” and “TeraZyme” can replace ashphalt for lower traffic roads. The soil content must be suitable.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cypherenvironmental.com%2Fearthzyme%2F&ei=hNVFTOGwKcP58Aa0vtmUBQ&usg=AFQjCNFZy_HSIAqTLp67C_iJ8hFuHVZ9Ow

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.terrazyme.com%2F&ei=ptVFTKjUFIT48Aa_yt2fBQ&usg=AFQjCNEc8FW5ge9p_dXEMBsSFhMl1Vks7g


35 posted on 07/20/2010 10:02:51 AM PDT by WellyP
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36 posted on 07/20/2010 10:25:08 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Sure have. Well, not the Ozarks but the New Mexico and Chaco roads. (displaced Arizonian in exile in North Carolina...my soul aches for the southwest)


37 posted on 07/20/2010 10:50:29 AM PDT by riri
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To: mick

What we are seeing are the effects of the bursting of a debt bubble and debt deflation.


38 posted on 07/20/2010 10:56:41 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: mick
Whenever a government wants to raise taxes but the people rebel it always finds the most visible, painful way to cut services. Cutting overpaid employees? Never. Reducing sky high pension payouts? Not on your life. Cutting useless departments? No Way.

But, turning paved roads to gravel, that'll punish the skinflints. It probably doesn't even save any money. Do they layoff highway workers?

This action will destroy any businesses located on the gravel roads, thus further reducing tax revenue. It is punitive, plain and simple.

39 posted on 07/20/2010 11:01:16 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: Martin Tell

that book irritated me to the point i just wanted to throw it out the window but for some odd reason i couldn’t. i had to finish it and that just made me mad. and i agree there were some chilling aspects of the book.


40 posted on 07/20/2010 11:09:24 AM PDT by madamemayhem (defeat isn't getting knocked down, it's not getting back up)
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To: Nervous Tick

Close to a third of the inmates in our jail are Mexican nationals. The ones in there for murder and trafficking are not being deported any time soon. I’d say that qualifies for imprisoning.


41 posted on 07/20/2010 11:14:24 AM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: Dogbert41

I was being sarcastic, not so much disputing your statement (as in, “For reasons of political correctness, we don’t jail near ENOUGH of em!”).

Your facts are no doubt correct.


42 posted on 07/20/2010 11:19:52 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: mick

Several years ago, the State Board of Public Roads created a new classification called “minimum maintenance roads”. What that means is that they are given essentially NO maintenance. However, it only applied to a small percentage of the roads. There had to be no more than two households who depended on the road to get in or out.

Now they have created a new classification called “remote residential road maintenance”. It calls for a little bit more maintenance, but not much. Rather than being repaired or overlayed, it will be broken up and returned to gravel. The rules allow up to seven households who depend on the road to get in or out.

It covers about 40% of all the roads in the state. The near future should be interesting.


43 posted on 07/20/2010 11:53:29 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: TheClintons-STILLAnti-American

Just this Spring the road out in front of my house got changed over from tar sprayed on gravel to asphalt paved.

Love the road noise reduction.


44 posted on 07/20/2010 1:42:51 PM PDT by glorgau
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