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Save the Boomers, Save the World: Redeeming Culture
patheos.com ^ | July 19, 2010 | Barbara R. Nicolosi

Posted on 07/20/2010 11:01:23 AM PDT by Publius804

The entertainment industry is in the full throes of the changing of the generations; films and television are beginning to reflect the visions of Generation Xers like Jason Reitman, (Up in the Air), Judd Apatow, (Knocked Up), Brad Byrd (Up, The Incredibles), and other young artists who dare to buck the tired irony-cool cynicism that has shaped and stifled too much of the culture. Suddenly, after decades of being shut out, minimized, or mocked, film characters have room in their lives for optimism, and even something almost like faith. The Church, if it seeks to be relevant in the future, needs to welcome this development and encourage -- even patronize -- such talents.

Pope Benedict XVI, who has an artist's heart, seems to realize this; he recently met with artists to discuss the role of beauty in the health of the world. That is a start, but more is needed. The Boomers' exit from cultural influence creates a two-sided pastoral challenge for the 21st-century Church.

First is the effect on the gargantuan Boomer generation of a lifetime of listening almost exclusively to their own voices. The movies being created by and for the Boomers today are a very unentertaining mix of "Never regret! Life starts at 70!" and "Life is a cruel joke, ‘full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.'" Movies like It's Complicated showcase a bunch of grey hairs still acting badly, swallowing their shame, and ignoring their appropriate role as the wise mentors of the younger generations. The Dorian Greyish dark echo of this kind of story, are movies like There Will Be Blood and the chillingly titled No Country for Old Men, in which the characters' lives of narcissism and greed devolve into cynicism and brutality.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: babyboomers; boomers; culturewar; generationx; genx; postmodernism

1 posted on 07/20/2010 11:01:26 AM PDT by Publius804
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To: qam1

Ping!


2 posted on 07/20/2010 11:02:50 AM PDT by Publius804 (Buckle up - with Obama at the controls it's gonna be a bumpy ride. God help us.)
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To: Publius804

Obama will temper the spoiled generations of this country with hardship, privation, suffering and war. They better get tough, get smart or perish.


3 posted on 07/20/2010 11:09:27 AM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: Publius804

“The Boomers’ exit from cultural influence creates a two-sided pastoral challenge for the 21st-century Church.”

In other words, to clean up the mess the Boomers made.


4 posted on 07/20/2010 11:09:51 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: qam1; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; m18436572; InShanghai; xrp; ...
Xer Ping

Ping list for the discussion of the politics and social (and sometimes nostalgic) aspects that directly effects Generation Reagan / Generation-X (Those born from 1965-1981) including all the spending previous generations are doing that Gen-X and Y will end up paying for.

Freep mail me to be added or dropped. See my home page for details and previous articles.

5 posted on 07/20/2010 11:14:06 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Publius804
Do not think me flippant in suggesting that pastors and teachers of the faith must quickly provide substantive, moral reasons for GenXers not to euthanize the Boomers; for them, the Entitled Generation will quickly morph into the Expensive Generation as they and Millennials are bent low under the weight of social programs that were strapped on their backs without their consent.

OK

I won't think you flippant

6 posted on 07/20/2010 11:16:58 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Spok

Pity we have to be tempered along with them.


7 posted on 07/20/2010 11:21:46 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Publius804

Boomers are romantics with the full force of nihilism driving their boats onto the rocks. The sirens song means death is attractive — and it is necessary to think so growing up on romantic existentialism — while at the same time they crave special entitlements, special pleadings to live the live forever dream of the 60s hippie youth crowd. They are a mixed bag to live such a mixed up life, a life that is narcissistic and shallow, and luxuriously decadent at its core. The kids of the boomers can`t be like them, even if they wanted to... and that is a good thing.


8 posted on 07/20/2010 11:28:14 AM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Blind Eye Jones

Kids of the Boomers will be the next greatest generation because they carry the scars left by the abandoned of their narcissistic parents. Kids today will not repeat the mistakes of the Boomers because the pain it caused to them.

What are these boomers doing today? Are they taking their grandkids to the park? Are they passing on their wisdom to the youth? Are they leaving future generations safety & security?

No! They are spending like mad in a final party before their time is up. They don’t attend little league games - they are too busy on their trip to Vegas. They don’t offer to baby-sit, that would conflict with their dinner party plans they use to relive their youth to simulate a dating atmosphere. Are they leaving any money or property to their kids or grandkids? Nope they are selling everything to finance a luxurious retirement.

If you’re a Boomer about to go on a vacation. STOP! Laying on your deathbed that vacation you took a few years prior will be meaningless. Instead grab your grandkids for a week or two this summer and just spend time with them, teach them something they will never forget. Offer to take your grandkids to their sports practices and stay and watch. If you don’t then don’t be surprised when you look down upon your corpse laying in the casket and the room is not hardly full and the only tears being shed are by your kids over the funeral bill you stuck them with.


9 posted on 07/20/2010 11:54:38 AM PDT by RC51
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To: Blind Eye Jones
Red Diaper Doper Babies brought us where we are today. But I can't lay it all at the hands of Baby Boomers. The leading radicals of the 1960s were pre-boom agitators (and well off).

We now have several generations of red diaper doper babies and a cultural reversal in which they have have become the new establishment yet still pitch themselves as being "revolutionary" and "outsiders".

You'll hear more derision in the media if you claim to be a Christian than a Communist.

10 posted on 07/20/2010 11:55:05 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: Niuhuru

As I Boomer, I deny all responsibility for the mess that my cohort, and those surrounding it have made.

For two reasons. First, I have fought against that mess all my life. Second, the Greatest Generation was responsible for inflicting FDR and the New Deal on us, and LBJ and the Great Society. These were the incubators where the egg of the New Left hatched and wrought its destruction on America and the World.


11 posted on 07/20/2010 12:33:44 PM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: Publius804

The movies of today are either A) remakes of older movies; B) stolen story lines, already done to death; C) liberally biased, anti-american trollop; or D) movies without morals or ethics.

Granted, there are a few that are really good, that promotes a hero or a good moral story line. But weeding out the crap that is coming out of Hollywood is pathetic.

What we need is some true conservative film makers and actors who will do a serious job of revamping the industry. Unfortunately, it is owned by the liberal lefty crowd, but I think more and more, with what is happening with America right now, conservatives are standing up and out and hopefully can take back part, if not all, of that industry.

It could also be wishful thinking.


12 posted on 07/20/2010 12:47:57 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (I'll just say the 2nd amendment to the Constitution is there for a reason!)
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To: RC51

I agree. The boomers motto is: “I’m OK, you’re so so.” And that applies equally to the next generation.


13 posted on 07/20/2010 12:54:58 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: RC51; Blind Eye Jones

In 2008 the 18-29 year old vote went a stunning 66% for Obama.

In 1972, during the Vietnam war, the hippies, the draft, etc, the 18-29 year old vote went 52% for Richard M. Nixon.


14 posted on 07/20/2010 1:01:46 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: a fool in paradise

The Red Diaper Doper Babies were brought up to fear communism in the 1950s. It was the boogie man monster living under their beds. Little that they realized that they would grow up to be the monsters they feared. I guess that is why they like the word “ironic.” But you are right, Christianity is now the monster under their beds. If they can now become what they fear the most, history would repeat for the better.


15 posted on 07/20/2010 1:08:25 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: chesley
Second, the Greatest Generation was responsible for inflicting FDR and the New Deal on us, and LBJ and the Great Society. These were the incubators where the egg of the New Left hatched and wrought its destruction on America and the World.

Well put. I am a Boomer (earliest of the crop) and my teachers in NYC in the 1950s and 60s were all raving leftists, many of whom had actually served in WWII and come back and gone to school on the GI Bill and emerged as full-blown leftists. Boomers didn't think these things up on their own; even the leaders of the so-called "youth movement" were a good 10-15 yrs older than any of the Boomers they were leading (astray).

16 posted on 07/20/2010 1:13:12 PM PDT by livius
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To: ansel12

Didn’t Nixon say he was pulling the troops out of Vietnam? If so maybe that explains why 52% youth voted for him. Correct me if I’m wrong on this.


17 posted on 07/20/2010 1:14:20 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Blind Eye Jones

Arthur Miller and those who subscribed to “Dissent” didn’t not fear Communism. They saw nothing wrong with it and though it was a “witchhunt” of fair people.

There were witches in the Crucible too. They questioned the judgement that said witches were evil.

It took some Stalinists like Pete Seeger 40 years to admit that Joseph Stalin had done some wrongs like killing tens of millions of people.

Red Asner still wants to know “what else did he did” (as in good works).


18 posted on 07/20/2010 1:16:39 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: Publius804

This writer is an idiot, she is blaming the boomers that didn’t even start coming into power until the late 1980s for stuff that the “greatest generation” and to a lesser degree, the “silent generation” did.

By 1980 the worst of the attacks on our nation that took place from the 1930s to the 1970s were being blocked and the left’s victories were becoming less dramatic when compared to the Great Society, FDR, and the Warren Court, and the 1965 immigration act, etc.

Boomers are currently age 46 to 64, now look at who was that age from 1935 to 1975, and look at the irreversible damage that those generations did, permanent, and continuing changes that we can never recover from. We are literally being colonized and replaced because of their change in our immigration laws and institutions.


19 posted on 07/20/2010 1:18:37 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: livius

“spiritual” leaders of the “youth movement”:

Madalyn Murray O’Hair, born April 13, 1919
Timothy Leary, born October 22, 1920
Allen Ginsberg, born June 3, 1926
Paul Krassner, born April 9, 1932
Gloria Steinem, born March 25, 1934
Abbie Hoffman, born November 30, 1936
Jane Fonda, born December 21, 1937
Jerry Rubin, born July 14, 1938
John Lennon, born 9 October 1940
Huey P. Newton, born February 17, 1942

The closest you get is Bill Ayers, born December 26, 1944.


20 posted on 07/20/2010 1:24:25 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: Blind Eye Jones

That isn’t why.

The very first boomers (ages 21 and 22) voted in 1968, that year the under 30 vote gave democrats 47%, by 1972 boomers filled most of the 18-29 pool and democrats got 46% of that vote, in 1976 democrats got 51% (all boomers), and in 1980 they got 44% (all boomers), and in 1984 democrats won 40% of the (almost all boomer) 18-29 year old vote, in 1988 it was 47% for democrats (almost half boomers), by 1992 the boomers had left the 18-29 year old demographic except for the single years worth of 29 year olds, that signalled the end of the young being conservative.

In 1992, without the boomers (except for the 29 year olds)the 18-29 year old vote went 34% Republican, in 1996 with zero boomers, they went 34% Republican, 2000 46% Republican, 2004 47% Republican, and in 2008, their worst year ever, 32% Republican.


21 posted on 07/20/2010 1:24:49 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12
We are literally being colonized and replaced because of their change in our immigration laws and institutions.

Right. It isn't just about getting "enough votes to stay in power". It is about diluting the voting base of the US so that those who have no love or tradition or educational understanding of our Constitution and cultural legacy can willingly surrender said traditions.

Candidate Obama said that we could not go on driving our SUVs, setting our air conditioning at whatever we'd like no matter where we live without condemnation from the rest of the world. His activist wife said that our history and traditions would have to change.

They came to bury the American way of life and liberty.

22 posted on 07/20/2010 1:27:30 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: a fool in paradise

Yeah, it’s true their were tons of “artist” communists. But what I remember was what children were suppose to do if there was a nuclear attack by the commies. The run and duck under your school desk or build your own bomb shelter movies that was circulated back then. Red Diaper Doper Baby for me means most of the kids who grew up and became hippies of the 60s and not necessarily the kids of Hollywood communists. And most to this day, like Jane Fonda, have not changed and are (stretching) unremorsefully unremorseful.


23 posted on 07/20/2010 1:50:36 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Blind Eye Jones
Red diaper doper babies were the kids of American socialists, sometimes the offspring of loyal Communists.

Saw nothing wrong with Communism. They will own up to it if asked and they believe themselves to be among fellow travellers.

By the 1960s they were worshipping Che and quoting from Mao's Little Red Book.

Obama was indoctrinated in such a radical notion of this country by Frank Marshall Davis and others.

Today there are yutes who mourned the death of Howard Zinn and worship his revisionist take on American history.

Compare life in America to his Communist paradises and there IS no comparison. Lies by omission are lies all the same.

24 posted on 07/20/2010 1:59:20 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: RC51

Gawsh! All of that so hit home.


25 posted on 07/20/2010 2:03:55 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Cameras, cameras--never forget to bring your cameras)
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To: ansel12

Those voting numbers suggest that we can refer to Generation X as “Generation Clinton”.


26 posted on 07/20/2010 2:08:14 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: ansel12

Great statistics. I don’t know the voting issues behind the numbers but I’ll speculate: boomers get excited by Carter and then tire of Carter in 80s. Decide to become Yuppies in 80s (more conservative). They get older and hearken back to their glory days (especially after listening to Bruce Springsteen) in 90s to present. Society become more liberal (except for the beginning of Iraq war) and then continues along that wayward path toward socialism till the present. We’ll see what Nov tallies!


27 posted on 07/20/2010 2:10:19 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: a fool in paradise

I saw Zinn get his butt owned by Dennis Prager. It is remarkably civil and great eye opener! If you haven’t see it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM-HTWAoJZo


28 posted on 07/20/2010 2:19:18 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: Blind Eye Jones

One could just say that boomers have always been a pretty conservative lot, that produced 9.4 million veterans, and they didn’t get old enough to start making real impacts on America until they started getting old enough to slow down the damage that was done from 1935 to 1975.

In 1980, the “Reagan Generation” which are the boomers, ranged in age from 16-34, they were not the adults running the nation into the ground in the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s and 1960s, and the 1970s.


29 posted on 07/20/2010 2:26:35 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: Blind Eye Jones

Howard Zinn was an educator at Boston University’s journalism school in the 1980s where he routinely protested Ronald Reagan’s policies.

Red Ted Kennedy (D-Mass) even met with KGB agents to commit naked treason to thwart the Reagan administration.


30 posted on 07/20/2010 2:27:33 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: Publius804

Not worth saving!!!!


31 posted on 07/20/2010 2:33:05 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Blind Eye Jones
Boomers are romantics with the full force of nihilism driving their boats onto the rocks. The sirens song means death is attractive — and it is necessary to think so growing up on romantic existentialism — while at the same time they crave special entitlements, special pleadings to live the live forever dream of the 60s hippie youth crowd. They are a mixed bag to live such a mixed up life, a life that is narcissistic and shallow, and luxuriously decadent at its core.

As a boomer who has fought this all my life, I think your assessment of boomers is spot on. This is a group of folks whose moral compasses gyrate wildly on their axes, influenced by greed, ambition, stupidity and the fear that if they point a finger, one will be pointed straight back. They all live insipid lives of meaninglessness.

The latest mantra, if "professionalism," which seems to be an invocation that you stop trying to do the right thing because it will cause dissention and hurt feelings.

WFB once wrote that principles have sharp edges which cut deeply. How can a generation grow up never having been scarred by having to reconcile an action with principle?

32 posted on 07/20/2010 2:33:40 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
How can a generation grow up never having been scarred by having to reconcile an action with principle?

What are you talking about?

33 posted on 07/20/2010 3:25:32 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: a fool in paradise

Exactly. Thank you.

I think there’s probably an intervening generation that nobody has ever identified.

A generation is normally considered to be 15 years. This means that there was another generation born about 15 yrs before the first Boomers (post WWII “baby boom” - 1946) that was the major influence, which would mean roughly starting in 1929.

We Boomers were teenagers - and young ones, at that - when the sex and drugs and rock and roll (and the US is always wrong) message started going out.

Also, I don’t know if you’re a Catholic or not, but Vatican II was also the product of an earlier generation, in fact, much earlier, since many of the evil council fathers who promoted the bad aspects of it, blindsiding the decent fathers who simply thought they’d come for a procedural nip and tuck, were actually from the “Greatest Generation” or before. IMHO, Vatican II destroyed the Church and its possible influence in stopping the chaos of the 1960s-70s, and was one of the things that left the Boomers (us) adrift.


34 posted on 07/20/2010 3:37:31 PM PDT by livius
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To: RC51
Kids of the Boomers will be the next greatest generation because they carry the scars left by the abandoned of their narcissistic parents

They're not going to be the greatest generation. I don't think they'll be much better than boomers, if any. True, the boomers got spoiled by post-war prosperity. But at least they grew up before the self-esteem movement. That's done a lot of damage to the millenial generation.

35 posted on 07/20/2010 3:50:19 PM PDT by murdoog ("Aim high. Shoot straight. Praise the Lord. Audit the FED." Gary North)
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To: murdoog

I think a lot of people here that don’t know American history, don’t realize that many boomers lived without indoor plumbing, and air-conditioning or central heating, many lived most of their youth without television, and a few without refrigerators.

I knew actual hunger as a kid, as in missed meals, including suppers, I think that a lot of people here get very confused about the degrees of wealth, and technology of 1960 versus 2010, or 1980, plus when talking about boomers, people instantly go to the white, upper crust, wealthy liberal types as the “typical” boomer, that is why they are so uninterested in the reality of boomers enlisting by the millions and voting majority republican.


36 posted on 07/20/2010 4:12:55 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: ansel12

Where has your head been buried for about 20 years.


37 posted on 07/20/2010 5:58:54 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

I don’t get that one either, what is that suppose to mean?


38 posted on 07/20/2010 6:42:59 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: murdoog

Boomers invented the self-esteem movement. The damage the Boomers have done to the nation, to the youth and to our future will be undone. It will be undone by the children of Gen X and Gen Y.

Obama did indeed get a larger share of the “Youth” vote than Kerry. That is because of 2 things:
#1. Anchor Babies (born at the beginning of the Reconquista 1990) coming of age.
#2. John Kerry was a freaking corpse with a cool factor of -1000.

18-36 year old’s don’t run industry, govt or control the levers of power. Currently baby boomers do and that is about to change - Thank GOD!

Take a real good look at the kids Gen X and Gen Y is raising:
1. Don’t buy the lie that these kids are spoon-fed brats who spend all their time playing video games. Youth Sports is a huge industry that thousands of people make a living in full time now for a reason. Clubs like USATF, AAU (http://www.aausports.org/) etc. have their largest youth memberships in their history.
2. They are more religious than their parents and grandparents - discovering god and Christ on their own.
3. Racism is a strange concept they are forced to study in the History books and they are not shackled by Afro-centric identity or White Guilt.
4. Environmentalism is a joke pushed on them by their teachers that only the most gullible of their friends buy into.
5. They have pictures in the family photo-album of themselves as a 4D sonogram in their mothers womb. Pro-Life is very hip and Abortion is abhorrent. Just look at the movies targeted at the budding sexually active. (MTV’s “16 & Pregnant”, “Juno” etc.) These generation don’t want to see depictions of knocked up teens getting rid of their “problem” as in the 1982 flick “Fast Times at Ridgemont High”. 14-24 year old’s want to spend their cash & time viewing depictions of knocked up teens stepping up to the plate and becoming mothers and fathers.

Most importantly, Kids today have little to no interaction with Baby Boomers - this sadly includes their own grandparents. The narcissistic selfish virus that is the Baby Boomers has ironically self-quarantined.

However the Baby Boomers will leave a few deep wounds that could still prove fatal to our children.
#1. The Boomer price tag will come due as a 20 Trillion Dollar high interest credit card by the time the last Boomer is dead.
#2. Boomers have single-handedly created a culture of divorce however the The nation’s divorce rate peaked to record levels in the late 1970’s and early 1980’s. Hopefully this trend will fade out. Maybe future Gen X dominated State legislatures will do away with no-fault unilateral divorces.


39 posted on 07/20/2010 10:42:31 PM PDT by RC51
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To: livius

Eggsacly!!!


40 posted on 07/21/2010 6:51:47 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: livius
Don't forget that liberal "Doctor Spock" was also a factor.


41 posted on 07/21/2010 7:24:53 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: a fool in paradise

YES!


42 posted on 07/21/2010 7:18:11 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: a fool in paradise

YES!


43 posted on 07/21/2010 7:18:21 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: ansel12

Great, you have more stats now regarding the Boomers. Nice. How about prior to 1968 to prove OLDER non-hippie people were evil? ;-) You never did get back to me on that.

Basically your posts are always that Boomers are the only bulwark against tyranny and immorality; that elders caused all problems and youngers perpetuate it.


44 posted on 07/21/2010 7:23:42 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: livius

“Vatican II was also the product of an earlier generation, in fact, much earlier, since many of the evil council fathers who promoted the bad aspects of it, blindsiding the decent fathers who simply thought they’d come for a procedural nip and tuck, were actually from the “Greatest Generation” or before. IMHO, Vatican II destroyed the Church and its possible influence in stopping the chaos of the 1960s-70s, and was one of the things that left the Boomers (us) adrift.”

And of what generations were those “decent fathers”? Knowing that you claim your generation was too young to do anything.

This is the problem - there are always malcontents in every population. The issue is whether they just happen to gain foothold, or if they are actively knowingly bolstered by a whole population.

Just because some malcontents (or perhaps just incompetents) gained power doesn’t mean the whole population is like them.

The real problem comes when a whole population embraces that thinking. THAT is where the Boomers (hippies, specifically - who have dominated the discourse culturally, journalistically and politically of their gen) get the knocks. Tons of hippies embracing the worst and then being the mouthpieces for the worst, perpetuating it even more.


45 posted on 07/21/2010 7:29:54 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
How about prior to 1968 to prove OLDER non-hippie people were evil? ;-) You never did get back to me on that.

LOL, get back to you? I'm not your research man, if you want to show how Republican the under 30 crowd or any other age group was voting from 1932 until 1968 look it up yourself.

Do you remember how many Republican Presidents that we had during that verrrrry long period? Remember Eisenhower?

46 posted on 07/21/2010 7:39:22 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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To: RC51
18-36 year old’s don’t run industry, govt or control the levers of power.

The oldest boomer didn't become 36 until 1982, the youngest boomer reached age 36 in the year 2000, so I think that we can look at the rest of your post with that in mind.

Also, your current, under 30 crowd of 66% Obama voters are not the little conservatives that you portray them as.

47 posted on 07/21/2010 7:49:59 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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It’s just that your declaration that people older than Boomers are socialists, in essence, was implied by your hawking the Boomer voting stats. You never showed likely Silent/”Greatest”(not) stats to back up that those whole generations were more socialist than Boomers. (Again, not that all Boomers are - just the hippies for sure. And besides voting, it’s the hippies who defined that generation, if not with numbers, with their big mouths and putting their hands into everything about the “culture”.)

Yes, I could try to look it up myself, but since you were bent on proving Boomers are better than all others via presidential voting, I assumed you had it on hand because it would prove you “correct”.


48 posted on 07/22/2010 7:12:02 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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What I am trying to do is to show people that the media lies and gives false pictures of American history, you are one of those that have fallen for the media rewrite of history and the "generation war" hook, line and sinker. This whole idea of generations as history is weird to me, and is a media creation, there is no "super generation of boomers" that has been running the nation for 60 years with another 30 years to go. The boomers are the Reagan generation if anything, they were the teenagers and the twenty somethings of his Presidency, in 1980 the boomers ranged in age of 16 to 34, they were only starting to enter the world of business, government, institutions, they had not been running the world from 1935 to 1975. Senator Byrd only left office this very year, 2010, Ted Kennedy left office last year.

Make a list of the most radical, permanent, unchangeable legislation, the breaking up of communities, the introduction of 6 foot fences and burglar bars to our homes, badly fought wars, Supreme Court decisions, etc, only include the things that destroyed America and made it impossible to recover it, things like the 1965 immigration act, government employee unions, forced integration that destroyed the American communities, affirmative action, Kinsey sexuality, NOW, the ACLU, the NAACP, Nation of Islam, the government taking over the schools, the teachers union, Vietnam, Roe V Wade, just keep building that list and then see who actually did all that, and when the left peaked (1935-1975), and when the hard left started losing their momentum.

The media and the left have succeeded in rewriting a history of the worst period in American history (a history that has written our destruction into stone), 1935 through 1975 and making it seem like some super cool kids somehow took over and ran America during that 40 year period, the reality is different, the boomer generation, once they started moving into the actual adult age when a generation starts taking over the jobs (the late 1980s) actually seemed to move the country to the right some, the left in my estimation has met with much less (permanent) success since 1975, in some areas like gun control, the people have had great success in turning back the war against the second amendment that the previous generations fought from the 1930s to 1970s.

1932 Democrats, 1936 Democrats, 1940 Democrats, 1944 Democrats, 1948 Democrats, 1952 Eisenhower, 1956 Eisenhower, 1960 Democrat, 1964 Democrat.

The 101st Airborne Division introduces itself to the American people, 1957.
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49 posted on 07/22/2010 10:01:51 AM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt: "I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush")
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