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Israel-Turkey axis turned on its head
Asia Times ^ | July 20, 2010 | Chris Zambelis

Posted on 07/20/2010 7:49:57 PM PDT by Mounds Bar

For many observers, the long-term implications of Israel's deadly May 31 assault against the MV Mavi Marmara, the Turkish flagship that was part of the Gaza Freedom flotilla, on Israeli-Turkish relations are unclear.

The attack left eight Turks and one Turkish-American dead and scores more wounded. The flotilla set off to break Israel's illegal blockade of Gaza and to raise global awareness of the suffering endured by the 1.5 million Palestinians living in what is widely described as the world's largest open-air prison.

While acknowledging the growing rift between Israel and Turkey that began amid Israel's December 2008 invasion of Gaza, as evidenced by Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's clash with Israeli President Shimon Peres during a dialogue about Gaza at the World Economic Forum summit in Davos, Switzerland, in January 2009, many point to the tradition of strong ties enjoyed by Israel and Turkey as proof that the current crisis in Israeli-Turkish relations represents a temporary setback as opposed to a permanent realignment of the regional order.

(Excerpt) Read more at atimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: erdogan; iran; israel; jihad; kurds; terrorism; turkey
It looks as though Turkey has gone rogue Taliban style? It seems to say so in this piece. Or is this about the next Turkish elections?
1 posted on 07/20/2010 7:49:59 PM PDT by Mounds Bar
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To: Mounds Bar

What is even worse, is that at Incirlik Air Base(home of the 39th Air Base Wing) there are 60-90 B-61 gravity bombs each with a nominal yield of 300-340 kilotons. Right now, the weapons are stored within a vault in Hardened Aircraft Shelters, using the USAF WS3 Weapon Storage and Security System.Fifty of these bombs are reportedly assigned for delivery by U.S. pilots, and forty are assigned for delivery by the Turkish Air Force.


2 posted on 07/20/2010 7:52:27 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: Mounds Bar

” The flotilla set off to break Israel’s illegal blockade of Gaza and to raise global awareness of the suffering endured by the 1.5 million Palestinians living in what is widely described as the world’s largest open-air prison.”

The flotilla set off loaded with community agitators (i.e., Obama wannabes) seeking to gain the adulation of the liberal media and thereby broadcast their cause worldwide. Since an increasing number of the world’s population understands that the Palestinian holdings are a Hellhole BECAUSE of the actions of the Palestinians, Iranians and Syrians, aided and abetted by useful tools like Mounds Bar, progress is not sufficient for Mounds Bar to stick out his chest and pat his own back.

There’s a reason all the other Arabian countries refused the Palestinians back in the late ‘40’s - they are all like Mounds Bar — spoiled candy-arses.


3 posted on 07/20/2010 8:07:16 PM PDT by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...
Chris Zambelis: "The attack left eight Turks and one Turkish-American dead and scores more wounded. The flotilla set off to break Israel's illegal blockade of Gaza and to raise global awareness of the suffering endured by the 1.5 million Palestinians living in what is widely described as the world's largest open-air prison."
4 posted on 07/20/2010 8:55:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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Are the Turks leaving NATO for an alliance with Iran? The article seems to say so? I think the French left NATO for a wee bit or am I wrong here? If Turkey goes what happens to our bases? Move to Georgia or Iraq?


5 posted on 07/20/2010 9:24:21 PM PDT by Mounds Bar
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To: sonofstrangelove

Will Turkey leave NATO for Iran? What about Incirlik AFB? Does it go to Georgia? I don’t think the Turkey-ees have access to the nukes there.


6 posted on 07/20/2010 9:24:23 PM PDT by Mounds Bar
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The USAF will definitely close down Incirlik and the B61 bombs moved to another NATO base or moved to Israel. There is no place for Turkey in NATO because of its growing relatioship with Iran,its growing radicalism and its attitude with Israel.


7 posted on 07/20/2010 9:28:33 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: Mounds Bar

Incirlik AFB will not go to Georgia because Russia has Georgia in its crosshairs.


8 posted on 07/20/2010 9:30:23 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove

Point taken. Azerbaijan?


9 posted on 07/20/2010 10:37:37 PM PDT by Mounds Bar
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To: sonofstrangelove

I can’t see NATO base in Israel. Seems impossible to be for some reason. Why not make them NATO now if that’s the case? If the Turks leave NATO, shouldn’t there have to be a replacement for the bases somewhere near Turkey to continue missions?

Armenia in NATO anybody? Is it possible to trade NATO membership for Armenian permission to house NATO bases and Armenia saying sayonara to the Ruskies? The Russians are still there I think or am I wrong?


10 posted on 07/20/2010 10:45:10 PM PDT by Mounds Bar
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To: sonofstrangelove

What about NATO for Armenia? Sorry for the repost. Trying to get the handle of things ‘round these parts.


11 posted on 07/20/2010 10:45:13 PM PDT by Mounds Bar
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Any country in the Caucasus Mountains and parts of Central Asia are clearly in the crosshairs of Russia and China. These areas have energy values for both countries and are in play. The nearest place to put the B-61s is Aviano Air Base or Büchel Air Force Base but they would have to expand the bases.


12 posted on 07/20/2010 11:38:59 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: SunkenCiv

Islam is one of the world’s largest open-air prisons. China is the other one.


13 posted on 07/21/2010 5:21:37 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Want stimulus? Look to Harding, Kennedy, and Reagan. Tax cuts work every time.)
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To: Mounds Bar

Erdogan is going to create civil war conditions in Turkey, and it isn’t going to be pretty by the time the blood stops flowing. Interesting parallel to draw, France and Turkey.

That asshat Charles De Gaulle took France out of NATO (technically, removed all French forces from the NATO command structure, remaining within the alliance) in 1966, and France didn’t rejoin per se until the 1990s.

Chucklehead himself didn’t survive the next elections that *he himself called for*, retired, and died. The dumb bastard had spent most of WWII broadcasting French language radio shows from exile in Britain, and continuously badmouthed the UK and the others fighting the Nazis — until British intelligence agents blew up part of a structure he was in at the time. He got the message and toned it down some.

http://www.historyhouse.com/in_history/nato/


14 posted on 07/21/2010 4:30:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Well put!


15 posted on 07/21/2010 4:32:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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