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Computers to translate world's 'lost' languages after program deciphers ancient text
www.dailymail.co.uk ^ | 7/20/2010 | Niall Firth

Posted on 07/21/2010 12:27:41 PM PDT by Red Badger

Scientists have used a computer program to decipher a written language that is more than three thousand years old.

The program automatically translated the ancient written language of Ugaritic within just a few hours.

Scientists hope the breakthrough could help them decipher the few ancient languages that they have been unable to translate so far.

Ugaritic was last used around 1200 B.C. in western Syria and consists of dots on clay tablets. It was first discovered in 1920 but was not deciphered until 1932.

Researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology told the program that the language was related to another known language, in this case Hebrew.

The system is then able to make assumptions about the way different words are formed and whether they consist of a prefix and a suffix, for example. FIVE OF THE WORLD'S UNDECIPHERED SCRIPTS

* Etruscan - Repeated attempts to decipher this language have led little further than the numbers one to six. * The Rohonc Codex - Discovered in Hungary, it contains 10 times more symbols than any other known alphabet * Rongorongo - Discovered on Easter Island, scientists are not even sure if it is language * Linear A - An ancient Minoan script from Crete from around 1900-1800 BC * Vinca symbols - Believed to be the earliest 'proto-language' known to man, these symbols were found in Hungary in 1875. They date from around 4000 BC

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Israel
KEYWORDS: crete; cuneiform; epigraphyandlanguage; etruscan; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; hungary; lineara; linearb; minoan; rohonccode; rongorongo; ugaritic; vinca
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To: Red Badger

My cleverly coded translation algorithm provided the following snippet from your pic:

“...a long time from now in a land far away a formerly great empire will be led by a village idiot....”


2 posted on 07/21/2010 12:31:01 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Red Badger

Maybe we could plug in the healthcare and financial reform
bills in and see what they say?


3 posted on 07/21/2010 12:31:36 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Red Badger

It says: Error 404 - Page Not Found.


4 posted on 07/21/2010 12:31:47 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Da Coyote

DRINK YOUR OVALTINE


5 posted on 07/21/2010 12:32:04 PM PDT by Wierzbowski
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To: Wierzbowski

Laughed on that one. Great, great movie!!


6 posted on 07/21/2010 12:34:15 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Wierzbowski

You may send me a new keyboard at your earliest convenience!


7 posted on 07/21/2010 12:34:49 PM PDT by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the People's Republic of Boulder)
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To: BitWielder1

The Admonerator removed the pics...................


8 posted on 07/21/2010 12:35:22 PM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him on speed dial...............)
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To: Da Coyote

klaatu barada nikto


9 posted on 07/21/2010 12:35:32 PM PDT by nhoward14 (I'm starting The 595 Club... A discount from 700)
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To: Da Coyote

well I’ll be....an ancient Sanskrit version of Craigslist Personals....


10 posted on 07/21/2010 12:37:13 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Wierzbowski

The world will end in a big gulf fart........;-)


11 posted on 07/21/2010 12:37:58 PM PDT by Dem Guard (Throw the trash out on November 2nd!)
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To: Da Coyote

“There once was a man from ....” heyyy This can’t be right!


12 posted on 07/21/2010 12:42:07 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

PING!..............


13 posted on 07/21/2010 12:42:47 PM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him on speed dial...............)
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To: Da Coyote

Get it working on this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript


14 posted on 07/21/2010 12:42:52 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Da Coyote

Wonder which minority will claim it? LOL


15 posted on 07/21/2010 12:43:01 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: tet68

^^^^^^>>^<<<<////*^^^^^>>><<<<<
<<^^>>>||


16 posted on 07/21/2010 12:43:53 PM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him on speed dial...............)
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Etruscan - Repeated attempts to decipher this language have led little further than the numbers one to six.

I hope the computer is working on this one now. Tons of great history that hasn't been "read" in almost 2,000 years. Emperor Claudius (Tiberius Claudius Nero Germanicus) was the last known person to be able to read it, and he died in 54 AD!

17 posted on 07/21/2010 12:44:01 PM PDT by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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To: Da Coyote

A L L Y O U R B A S E A R E B E L O N G T O U S


18 posted on 07/21/2010 12:44:18 PM PDT by Mr. K (Physically unable to proofreed <---oops!)
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To: Da Coyote

“For a good time, call ....”


19 posted on 07/21/2010 12:45:56 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: Da Coyote

I think this is exciting. Looking forward to seeing the results. Got to admit, hope it is in ‘southern talk’ of course a lot of folks want to find out what we are sauing most of the time.


20 posted on 07/21/2010 12:46:11 PM PDT by gulfcoast6 (GOD IS!)
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To: Da Coyote

21 posted on 07/21/2010 12:47:25 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: freekitty

Name it and claim it.
Blab it and grab it.


22 posted on 07/21/2010 12:48:54 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Da Coyote

From cave wall..

“Here I sit broken hearted, found this corner and only farted.”


23 posted on 07/21/2010 12:52:32 PM PDT by IamConservative (You older gentleman ever sit on your testicles? WOW, that hurts!!)
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To: IamConservative

“Good night. I expect more respect tomorrow.”


24 posted on 07/21/2010 12:54:21 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Da Coyote
My cleverly coded translation algorithm provided the following snippet from the pic: Tried of working the fields uncomfortable? Are you irritable? Is your donkey more regular than you? Then try NEW CONSTIPATION B GONE!
25 posted on 07/21/2010 12:57:09 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: Henchster

“Etruscan - Repeated attempts to decipher this language have led little further than the numbers one to six.”

“I hope the computer is working on this one now. Tons of great history that hasn’t been “read” in almost 2,000 years. Emperor Claudius (Tiberius Claudius Nero Germanicus) was the last known person to be able to read it, and he died in 54 AD”

I’m with you. Wonder how Claudius learned it? Wonder if there are any of the scrolls he learned it from still about?


26 posted on 07/21/2010 12:59:58 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Red Badger

Just as I thought, we’re screwed!


27 posted on 07/21/2010 1:16:52 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Beowulf9
I’m with you. Wonder how Claudius learned it? Wonder if there are any of the scrolls he learned it from still about?

Claudius was, from an early age, an avid scholar who actually taught it to himself, in other words, deciphered the code that no one since has been able to.

As for the scrolls, I sure hope at least some of the ones he read from have been saved, they contain a treasure trove of early government workings that Claudius used to his advantage when he became emperor.

28 posted on 07/21/2010 1:22:32 PM PDT by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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To: tet68

As long as they don’t discover a prophecy that says the world will end in 2012...............


29 posted on 07/21/2010 1:32:56 PM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him on speed dial...............)
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To: Da Coyote

A man walks into a bar.

Why the long face?


30 posted on 07/21/2010 1:37:19 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: dangerdoc

bump


31 posted on 07/21/2010 2:57:07 PM PDT by dangerdoc
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32 posted on 07/21/2010 3:35:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Da Coyote

My only point of contention as a layman, why use only Biblical Hebrew, when Biblical Aramaic and Punic Phoenician are known languages of the same language group that have the same base language, the Akkadia language.


33 posted on 07/21/2010 3:50:16 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: SunkenCiv

I hope the translation software is more accurate than Babelfish.


34 posted on 07/21/2010 4:07:30 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: TexasRepublic

:’)


35 posted on 07/21/2010 4:53:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: nhoward14

“klaatu barada nikto”

“Mr. Carpenter” alias klaatu: If anything happens to me, go to Gort and tell him
“klaatu barada nikto”

Helen: Will he come to your aid?

Klaatu: No. I’ve given him permission to hump the earth girl.


36 posted on 07/21/2010 5:11:24 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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But she points out the decipherment of Ugaritic took years and relied on some happy coincidences — such as the discovery of an axe that had the word “axe” written on it in Ugaritic.

Science and the Happy Coincidences. Sounds like a video from an adult bookstore.

37 posted on 07/21/2010 5:56:11 PM PDT by FourPeas (God Save America)
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To: Da Coyote; SunkenCiv
They need a universal translator.


38 posted on 07/21/2010 5:59:50 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker; Red Badger
Daniel Jackson...

YOU'RE FIRED!


39 posted on 07/21/2010 6:21:10 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: colorado tanker

Words don't always solve problems. Sometimes you just have to punch an alien in the face.

Star Trek Inspirational Posters

40 posted on 07/21/2010 6:43:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Yeah, well my cleverly coded algorithm came up with:

You may already be a winner in the Scroll Writer's Clearinghouse 100,000 dracma Sweepstakes!

41 posted on 07/21/2010 7:36:28 PM PDT by uglybiker (BACON!!)
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To: Beowulf9; Henchster

Etruscan is actually kinda readable in a limited sense—the majority of inscriptions are formulaic funerary dedications, and we’re able to understand those fairly well. Through ancient glosses and educated guesswork we’ve pieced together 200 or so words and a few tentative bits of grammar. The longer texts are the real sticking point.

This program might not crack Etruscan though. It sounds like it relies on comparative linguistic techniques and needs a better-known related language to work. We don’t have that for Etruscan.

Incidentally, Claudius’s wife Urgulanilla was Etruscan. And the last known mention of the language being used was when Rome fell in the mid-400s and Etruscan priests were called on to offer sacrifices. It was probably just a liturgical language at that point though.

We do have one scroll that was used to wrap a mummy. It’s the longest extant Etruscan text:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liber_Linteus


42 posted on 07/21/2010 8:17:34 PM PDT by Claud
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To: uglybiker

LOL...good one


43 posted on 07/21/2010 8:22:29 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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44 posted on 07/22/2010 9:39:38 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Claud

Thank you for that excellent info.


45 posted on 07/22/2010 9:52:02 AM PDT by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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To: Claud
Barić displayed the mummy at his home in Vienna, standing it upright in the corner of his sitting room

Oh my!

(The writings look like a teletype, the letter are so uniform.)

46 posted on 07/22/2010 11:17:45 AM PDT by BenLurkin (Will must be the harder, courage the bolder, spirit must be the more, as our might lessens.)
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The Rohonc Codex:
47 posted on 05/28/2012 6:22:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Rohonc Codex
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohonczi_Codex#History
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohonczi_Codex#Systematic_attempts


48 posted on 05/28/2012 6:22:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Uncracked Ancient Codes
(Lost Languages reviewed)
by William C. West
[snip] As longtime literary editor of the Times Higher Education Supplement in London, Andrew Robinson is well able to interpret the arcana of scientific discoveries for the general public. In Lost Languages, he explains the principles of three famous decipherments and applies the insights gained to an understanding of several undeciphered scripts -- Linear A, the Etruscan alphabet, the Phaistos disc, and the Meroitic, Proto-Elamite, rongorongo, Zapotec, Isthmian and Indus scripts. [/snip]
Lost Languages: The Enigma Of The Worlds Undeciphered Scripts Lost Languages:
The Enigma Of The World's
Undeciphered Scripts

by Andrew Robinson

49 posted on 05/28/2012 6:29:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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50 posted on 05/28/2012 6:29:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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