Skip to comments.“Obama’s Not a Socialist”
Posted on 07/23/2010 7:13:58 PM PDT by HorowitzianConservative
A glimpse of the analysis in Dr. Leonard Peikoff's forthcoming book, The DIM Hypothesis.
At the 2010 Objectivist conference/OCON, Dr. Leonard Peikoff was presenting material from his forthcoming book, The DIM Hypothesis, in which he analyzes Western culture and history from the perspective of the epistemological process of integration. I was surprised to learn that, according to Peikoffs analysis, Barack Obama is not, as I and others have been saying, a socialist or communist. Socialists or communists are examples of what Peikoff calls misintegration, or integration by non-rational means. Obama, Peikoff thinks, is anti-ideological, and as such has no long-range guiding values or theory of society. He does not integrate his thoughts and actions by any means, valid or invalid. Rather, Peikoff describes Obama as an almost-but-not-yet-fully consistent egalitarian nihilist, and thus a manifestation of the same trend which Peikoff calls D2, i.e., the form of Kantianism that gave us non-objective art, quantum mechanics, and progressive education. Because I am no expert on philosophy, for more on Peikoffs views, I refer you to his forthcoming book.
Try this on for size:
Obama is a NATIONALIST
( black power /ethnic minority nation dedicated to seizing power on behalf of the racial and ethnic minorities of America based on the idea that America's greatness is fatally flawed because it owes its success to the colonial exploitation of black /ethnic minorities , and historic justice is required as a remedy, pretty much the same as Adolf Hitler's ideology for the German people prior to WWII which dictated historic justice for Germany. This has been candied up and sold to the American people, who have bought it, lock, stock and barrel, and the MSM hides it's dirty underside..)
OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST:
The economic aspect of racial historic justice requires a redistribution of wealth through subverting the present government system from within and using taxation, double dealings with Unions and industry, economic extortion of traditional allies like Britain and Israel, and the abuse of other executive powers to redistribute wealth to racial and ethnic minorities rather than provide government services to ALL of the people). Obama plans to do this internationally, and he therefore abjures diplomacy with Britain ( colonial power) and others who were so called exploiters of the "black man."
Obama is a Nationalist Socialist, THATS RIGHT, A FASCIST.
His method of fascism is born of the Chicago thug school. HE IS NOT A COMMUNIST.This is important to know, for Obama cannot be defeated if we think he is a mere communist. His idea of black elitists who are racially and biologically superior to the white man in every way, a hatred of America ,goes much deeper than that of a mere communist.This is revealed by his association with Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Obamas conduct in office on racial and ethnic issues such as the New Black Panther party prosecution, and his refusal to secure our Southern Border, and his conflict with Arizonas illegal alien enforcement.GET IT RIGHT, OBAMA IS MUCH WORSE THAN A COMMUNIST!
I find it disconcerting that people do not examine what Obama's politics are,because that means we cannot defeat him because we cannot define him. THINK ON IT!. Obama is a fascist, a thug, a man who has no love for America and seeks to willfully destroy her if she does not do his bidding to become his twisted Utopia. He is not a Communist.Get it right. Our survival as a nation depends on it.
As for Obamas experience with genocide, take a look at what he advized Odinga to do in Novemeber of 2007,sending the fascist Orange Party into the streets of Nairobi and the Kenyan hinterland. At one point a whole church with 75 men women and children were burned alive.A much loved Olympic marathon runner was summarily executed. Thousands died under the torch and panga in inter tribal genocidal slaughter, yet the MSM DID NOT cover it, while Britsh and Australian news did. Its was all about how the encumbants cheated on the election count. Obviously Chad found its way to Kenya. Sound familiar anyone? Obama has genocidal blood on his hands , and it didn't even make him flinch during his presidential campaign.Do you think it will be much different for America should it come to that?Its what Obama wants. Its hopenchange ...OR ELSE! Kenya was a test bed for what Obama intends for America.
May 12, 2009 Barack Obama, the Quintessential Liberal Fascist
By Kyle-Anne Shiver
They fear that the development and building of Peoples (community) Organizations is the building of a vast power group which may fall prey to a fascistic demagogue who will seize leadership and control and turn an organization into a Frankensteins monster against democracy. - Saul Alinsky responding to his critics, Reveille for Radicals; p. 199
When Saul Alinsky began building his community-organization movement in 1930s Chicago, observers were watching Alinsky with one eye, while with the other eye observing the building of communist and fascist movements in Europe. It wasnt hard then to see in Alinskys programs at home, elements of the peoples revolution from Russia, as well as some of the same in your face tactics being employed by Hitlers Brownshirts.
What Alinskys critics saw was the burgeoning of a national movement, the carefully manipulated construction of peoples organizations, which all had two elements in common: (1) a collectivist creed, which denied the existence of personal responsibility; and (2) an amoral dogma, in which all means were justified by an imaginary utopian end.
While most modern Americans remember well Hitlers Holocaust and the Cold War waged by a solid U.S.S.R., many of these same Americans have swallowed some false history regarding the movements that spawned such widespread, horrendous results. In what may be regarded as the most triumphant propaganda victory of our time, fascism has been scrubbed of all its Marxist roots, while communism has been scrubbed of its millions of callous murders.
This post-WWII propaganda coup undeniably set the stage for the early Alinsky critics most feared eventuality, that the massive organizations could be shrewdly adopted by a fascist demagogue, someone who could seize leadership and control and turn them into a Frankensteins monster against democracy.
But perhaps the most cunning propaganda feat in history has been undertaken for the past 8 years. As Jonah Goldberg expertly expounds in his book, Liberal Fascism, American left-wing ideologues have managed to dissociate themselves from all the horrors of fascism with a brilliant rhetorical maneuver. Theyve done it by claiming that their opponents are the fascists.
Alinsky himself employed this method, quite deviously. Alinsky biographer, Sanford D. Horwitt provides an anecdote using precisely this diabolical tactic to deceive the people. From Horwitts Let Them Call Me Rebel:
...in the spring of 1972, at Tulane University...students asked Alinsky to help plan a protest of a scheduled speech by George H. W. Bush, then U.S. representative to the United Nations - a speech likely to include a defense of the Nixon administrations Vietnam War policies. The students told Alinsky they were thinking about picketing or disrupting Bushs address. Thats the wrong approach, he rejoined, not very creative - and besides causing a disruption might get them thrown out of school. He told them, instead, to go to hear the speech dressed as members of the Ku Klux Klan, and whenever Bush said something in defense of the Vietnam War, they should cheer and wave placards reading, The KKK supports Bush. And that is what they did, with very successful, attention-getting results.
In what may eventually prove to be a devious rhetorical feat of monstrous proportions, while the left has been indulging and fostering the Bush Is Hitler meme, they may have just put a genuine ideological fascist heir in the White House.
There is inherent danger in making scurrilous comparisons (as were perpetrated unceasingly against George W. Bush), but there seem to be some very worrisome signs in the rise of Barack Obama that we Americans would be foolish to ignore.
Obama, the Closer
As I put forth last year in Obama, the Closer, Barack Obama, did not start his movement; Alinsky did.
Nor did Obama amass the organizations that propelled him. As detailed by Heidi J. Swarts, in her book, Organizing Urban America, the movement begun by Saul Alinsky in the 1930s has morphed into thousands of secular and faith-based leftist political organizations. ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) has perhaps the highest public profile, is most reputed for radicalism, and is the organization with which Barack Obama was first aligned. But ACORN is the mere tip of a veritable iceberg of Alinsky-styled community organizations that sweep across the entire United States and make up the backbone of faith-based progressive movements as well.
These euphemistically called community organizations have next to nothing to do with improving the communities and everything to do with politics, primarily strong-arming government money to advance their political aims. Prior to Reagans election, these groups worked independently for the most part, each seeking to effect local change towards leftist ends.
But with Reagans victory, ACORN founding member Wade Rathke sent out a memo (published by Swarts; Organizing Urban America; p. 29) that would reverberate all the way to Barack Obamas moment. ACORN had been behaving as a sort of Lone Ranger of the Left for too long, wrote Rathke. Ronald Reagan had formed a coalition among the middle-class that threatened to bring greater prosperity without left-wing Statists calling the shots. Rathke put out the call to the ACORN troops to stop antagonizing those who would be allies, especially unions and church organizations, once shunned by ACORN as too placid for the real fight for power. For the next 25 years, the community organization network built, proliferated and formed a solid, nation-wide base of political strength, purely according to Alinskys original vision, and all just waiting for the right candidate to tap into it and lead it.
When folks from all corners of America proclaimed, seemingly with one voice, Barack is the One weve been waiting for, they were speaking out of the vast Alinsky-originated network.
Neither did Barack Obama invent the political ideology of change, nor design its carefully crafted propaganda. While media folks talked of the tingles up their legs and the brilliant rhetoric of Barack Obama, they were heralding the speaker only, not the creator of the movement and its slogans. That would have been Saul Alinsky, the man who took fascism and cunningly made it appear to casual observers every bit as American as apple pie.
Barack Obama is merely the movements closer, the quintessential liberal fascist with a teleprompter.
Alinskys Ideology of Change: The Third Way
Goldberg fastidiously notes the comparison between Alinskys in your face rules for radicals, studied and perfected by Barack Obama, and shows them to have profoundly fascist roots:
...theres no disputing that vast swaths of his (Alinskys) writings are indistinguishable from the fascist rhetoric of the 1920s and 1930s...His worldview is distinctly fascistic. Life is defined by war, contests of power, the imposition of will. Moreover, Alinsky shares with the fascists and pragmatists of yore a bedrock hostility to dogma. All he believes in are the desired ends of the movement, which he regards as the source of lifes meaning...But what comes through most is his unbridled love of power. Power is a good in its own right for Alinsky. Ours is a world not of angels but of angles, he proclaims in Rules for Radicals, where men speak of moral principles but act on power principles.
Saul Alinsky was the man who transformed politics in America into all-out war mode. Alinskys tenth rule of the ethics of means: You do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments. Alls fair in love and war, and politics, to Alinsky, was war.
A Peoples (community) Organization is not a philanthropic plaything or a social services ameliorative gesture. It is a deep, hard-driving force, striking and cutting at the very roots of all the evils which beset the people. It thinks and acts in terms of social surgery and not cosmetic cover-ups.
A Peoples Organization is dedicated to an eternal war
. A war is not an intellectual debate, and in the war against social evils there are no rules of fair play. Saul Alinsky; Reveille for Radicals; p. 133
Alinsky includes an entire section in Rules for Radicals on The Ideology of Change. The watchword of the Obama campaign was change. Just as Hitler mobilized the masses with a calculatingly undefined demand for change, so did Alinsky disciple, Barack Obama.
Everything must be different! or Alles muss anders sein!, Hitlers own campaign slogan, morphed into Unite for Change, and the Obama transition teams change.gov. Even the idea of a vast movement was borrowed from Hitler. As Goldberg states, Hitler used the phrase, the Movement, more than 200 times in Mein Kampf.
The word movement itself is instructive. Movement, unlike progress, doesnt imply a fixed destination. Rather, it takes it as a given that any change is better.
(Goldberg; Liberal Fascism; p. 176) Perhaps the most intoxicating allure to the fascist demagogue and his movement for undefined change is its misleadingly conciliatory flavor. Barack Obama continually, throughout his campaign and even now, portrays himself as the Third Way between the cantankerous factions that have polarized America for the past 80 years, since liberal fascism took root as the Progressive Movement.
Obama claimed that Bush was too much the ideologue, that his policies were driven by the Christian right, involved false choices between all-out war on the one hand and diplomacy on the other, between the welfare state and cold-hearted, do-nothing conservatism, between absolute sovereignty and cowardly submission to the global community, between doing all and doing nothing. And if any of this gibberish were a true reflection of our political disagreements, Obama would be somewhat correct. But as any sentient person knows, this radical presentation of Obamas is absolutely false. That gets lost, though, in the leaders conciliatory tone.
What must not get lost, however, is the very real fact that this Third Way movement for change is as fascist as anything we have ever seen in the USA. As Alinsky described his own Ideology of Change, the lure is in the claim that the leader has no ideology that would confine his outlook to hard choices between what is moral or immoral, that there are no boundaries set by either religion or politics, that everything can change and the only thing that matters is ones end intention to do something good.
As Hitler, before Alinsky, proclaimed, Our program is to govern, not delve into theory and dogma. This is in itself very appealing, especially to an electorate sick of the contentiousness of the past decade. This undefined ideology of change for the sake of change, for some action that will break through the roadblocks of polarization, has tremendous allure.
But Goldberg bursts that bubble:
The middle way sounds moderate and un-radical. Its appeal is that it sounds unideological and freethinking. But philosophically the Third Way is not mere difference splitting; it is utopian and authoritarian. Its utopian aspect becomes manifest in its antagonism to the idea that politics is about trade-offs. The Third Wayer says that there are no false choices -I refuse to accept that X should come at the expense of Y. The Third Way holds that we can have capitalism and socialism, individual liberty and absolute unity. Fascist movements are implicitly utopian because they - like communist and heretical Christian movements assume that with just the right arrangement of policies, all contradictions can be rectified. (Goldberg; Liberal Fascism; p. 130)
Of course, thinking people when they are indeed thinking know this is an utterly false promise. Life will never be made perfect because all human beings are imperfect.
Unity, the Diabolical Lure
What of this longed-for unity then? Barack Obama proclaimed he was leading a movement of people united for change. What is the appeal of unity?
The modern liberal fascist seeks that state between mother and child which exists early on before the child seeks his own independence, before mother must set herself at odds with him. It is the perfectly secure state of childhood where all is lovely and peaceful and nurturing, but cannot continue indefinitely if the child is to be prepared to face a world of difficulty and hard choices. Nevertheless, the yearning continues. It is this primordial yearning which sets itself in the crosshairs of the fascist demagogue.
But in adult life, this type of unity is anything but desirable, anything but virtuous. As Goldberg states, however, elevation of unity as the highest social value is a core tenet of fascism and all leftist ideologies.
The allure of this mystical unity is so great that its demand to sacrifice reason and thought on the false altar of infantile security is seemingly lost to many. But as Goldberg also reminds us, unity is, at best, morally neutral and often a source of irrationality and groupthink.
Rampaging mobs are unified. The Mafia is unified. Marauding barbarians bent on rape and pillage are unified. Meanwhile, civilized people have disagreements, and small-d democrats have arguments. Classical liberalism is based on this fundamental insight, which is why fascism was always anti-liberal.
Liberalism rejected the idea that unity is more valuable than individuality. For fascists and other leftists, meaning and authenticity are found in collective enterprises - of class, nation, or race - and the state is there to enforce that meaning on everyone without the hindrance of debate. (Goldberg; Liberal Fascism; p. 172)
Just as the healthy relationship between parent and developing child demands friction, so does the healthy relationship between truly liberal citizens. Unity is the siren song of tyranny, not the call to genuine progress.
Fascism: The Two Birds with One Stone Approach
I think of Obamas liberal fascism as a cancer that attempts to kill the two birds of American exceptionalism with one stone. It is a deviously appealing Third Way that in the end, if allowed to triumph completely, kills both individual liberty and Judeo/Christian religion with its single stone.
And, indeed this was the precise goal of Adolph Hitler. Unlike the outspoken hatred of private property and religion espoused by communists under Lenin and Stalin, Hitler preferred the more moderate-seeming incremental takeover of private enterprise in the interest of the common good, and the slow-death of Judeo/Christian religion by chipping away at it and replacing the peoples dependence upon God gradually with reliance on the state (Hitler).
[Note: Hitlers Holocaust was based on the Progressive Eugenics principles set forth by Social Darwinist scientists and social engineers of the 1920s, widely accepted both in Europe and in the United States. Religion was not at the core of the Holocaust; race was. However, Hitlers other chief aim was to destroy the Judeo/Christian religions, which he believed had ruined the Germanic races world predominance.]
Of course, as the German people were duped into giving Hitler totalitarian powers to work his magic change, he took off the kid gloves and accelerated the program.
In the end, however slow the process, however seemingly benign the growth of the state may seem, liberal fascism has the same result of all tyrannies before it: hell on earth for most and a self-indulgent feast for the Statists in power.
As Barack Obama speaks, thinking Americans ought to hear the echoes of past fascist demagogues and remember. Remember.
When Barack Obama promises collective redemption through his profligate spending programs and vast overtures to a new world order built on love for our fellow man, we ought to shudder not swoon.
We ought to remember that healthy global relationships are built upon respect, not all-encompassing love, and that redemption for ones soul is a commodity the state is not empowered to offer.
As Pope Benedict XVI has so presciently warned:
Wherever politics tries to be redemptive, it is promising too much. Where it wishes to do the work of God, it becomes, not divine, but demonic.
Be not fooled, America. The movement, which appears most benign is instead the most malignant growth ever seen on our soil. Its a cancer that will kill, and however slowly it grows or however nice it may look on the surface, doesnt change a thing.
Kyle-Anne Shiver is a frequent contributor to American Thinker. She welcomes your comments at email@example.com.
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Thank you Candor7 for setting the record straight.
As I recall the news of that day the "radicals" (at least the white ones and they were the majority on campus) were from well-to-do families; thus Alinsky's "Rules For Radicals" should be "Rules For Spoiled Brats."
Of course spoiled brats come from all levels of society -- and "radicals" include the Manson family pukes.
I will of course attempt to read Professor Peikoff's views.
I doubt that any of the victims of all the various grandiose schemes of history's tyrants really cared about the fine details either, while the whips were tearing up their backs.
You say tomato, I say socialist. You say potato, I say communist.
Peikoff describes Obama as an almost-but-not-yet-fully consistent egalitarian nihilist
I think you left out; “Stroker is a scumbag”.
Thanks for taking care of that!
If this represents Peikoff's actual views, he is provably an idiot: quantum mechanics has nothing to do with Kantianism, non-objective art, or "progressive" education, except in the minds of muddleheaded post-modernists who don't understand it and erroneously think of it, on the basis of after-the-fact popularized descriptions, as denying the existence of objective reality.
It was certainly not "given" to us by Kantianism of any sort, but by objective reality itself: it's the best mathematical model we have of how weird matter and energy really are.
Again, assuming Peikoff's views are being faithfully reported, he seems the sort of nitwit who was taken in by Alan Sokal's Social Text hoax article.
Obama is a committed Marxist. He subscribes to Socialism. He's a black supremacist. And, he's a Muslim. Period.
End of lecture. Class dismissed.
Frankly, I don’t give a damn what label is given Obama as long as he ends up with “one-term president”. You guys can argue this nonsense til the cows come home. All I care about is getting this enemy of our country out of office and powerless ASAP.
Quantum theory has proven to be incredibly accurate in describing the atomic world. Nature wrote the laws of Quantum Mechanics. To lump it in with that rotten stuff is folly. Saying something crazy like that makes everything else asserted questionable.
"Communism is not a threat to us any more".....Bill O'Reilly, the Factor, 9/8/09
Actually, I think he is a Stalinist, in that he wants to and, will try to, eliminate any anti-government “sentiment”.
Close enough as makes no odds. 0bama and his handlers are motivated by the will to power. Ideology - socialist, fascist, communist - is just the particular horse they ride on their way to achieving totalitarian power. It means nothing to them. They are driven by their insatiable desire to control mankind - nothing less. And nothing more. We all know where that road leads.
These people are monsters - killers without conscience. There will be no peaceful way to remove them from power.
Glad to be of assistance.
Great post. Thanks.
So I guess you disagree with Einstein then?
Why is quantum mechanics on this list?
And there are so many of them and they’ve been at this for a long time. I feel sorry for the fools who actually believe they’re here to help them.
And there are so many of them and they’ve been at this for a long time. I feel sorry for the fools who actually believe they’re here to help them.
One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn't belong.
Whatever, Dave and Lenny.
Thanks for the fancy new name for the same ‘ol power mongering a-hole.
Read Einstein and Rand. If you can’t put it together, stop reading and go back to mysticism and just enjoy yourself. Life is short after all.
How does that saying go? “The greatest trick the Devil played was to convice us that he didn’t exist.”
There will be no peaceful way to remove them from power.
I pray that you are wrong.
Thanks for your link/work (quick glance). BUMP for tomorrow a.m. read.
almost forgot... /s
This helps to understand why die hard liberals
are not concerned about traditional morays.
Bill Clinton, Obama are amoral and immoral.
That is not a concern to these nihlists. Right and wrong are always fluid. Murder is a mistake. Cheaters make poor decisions. Judgement is only reserved for the enlightened prophets of this cause. The great unwashed need to keep silent.
They speak of an egalitarian society yet they have little regard for their fellow citizen.
Perhaps Einstein "God does not play dice with the Universe" is dabbling in mysticism and so are you.
He’s a Capitalist if I ever saw one . . lol.
That is because they are fascists. Politics is war.And power is the prize. Power absolute. And they will do anything to maintain it, and bring about utopia which can only exist in totalitarian form.
This article is a red herring.A diatribe in psychopomposity which avoids the cogent issues of totalitarian leftist fascist history, so recently and elegantly revealed by Jonah Goldberg in his well annotated historical treatise,"Liberal Fascism."
We do not need a psychological diagnosis, a diagnostic of Obama mind set. ( He is not a nihilist anyway, he is a compulsive manic narcissist.) We need an historical one , a diagnosis from previous events.Who wants to listen to Kant when we can listen to Winston Churchill who fought fascism, lived to tell the tale and wrote history about it?
Not only does Churchill reveal the fascist diagnostic, he tells us how to fight and defeat fascism.It was his gift to our civilization. In literature Churchill's approach was echoed by Tolkien in the Lord of the Rings Trilogy.
Someone is always trying to re-invent the wheel. In this case it can result in millions of people getting needlessly killed if we do not define Obama, his junta, his movement, accurately and correctly according to the lessons of history.The parallels of present day America to 1920s Europe are shocking and quite astounding, for those who care to really look. And in looking we see how this fascist movement can be defeated,BEFORE it achieves totalitarian power. Europe failed to accomplish that.
WE CANNOT FAIL. THE WORLD DEPENDS ON US.
There is no belief. There is simply the utilization of whatever works at any given time for the purpose of obtaining any given goal. All of that can change at any time.
Will to power. Ends justify means. “I won.”
Identifying this crowd with any of the recognizable political ideologies might work for the purpose of unifying an opposition, but they simply laugh at that tactic, turn around and imply the opposite just long enough to confuse a vital fraction of the electorate and, for good measure, have their propagandists mount a double-think campaign using the epithet, whatever it might be, as a descriptive of their critics.
I know this is facile and not philosophy, but egalitarian nihilism means they despise everyone equally and are driven to destroy everything. The only hierarchy of values I can discern is “We need to win and we need you to lose.”
Yup. Einstein was wrong: Bell’s inequalities are violated in nature, so no classical local hidden variable theory can account for the observed behavior of matter. If you want a classical theory so “God doesn’t play dice”, you have to allow instantaneous action at a distance to simulate what quantum mechanics describes.
Now Einstein did a magnificent job of describing how strange space and time are, but his anti-quantum intuitions were wrong.
See my post #11.
That’s one opinion.
You’re doing a great job of that on your own.
Long ago, in 1984, in a letter to Christina Hoff Summers, I pointed out that the left is no longer Marxist, but Nietzschean. Radical feminism, multiculturalism (back then anti-racism hadn’t yet been called that—and I really want to know whether adopting the Canadian neologism first happened in the U.S. at around that time, beginning at the University of Pennsylvania, because if it did, I was the critic who force them to change names, but I digress) and the lot all operate by a transvaluation of values: women are more intuitive and less rational, but that good, black folk really do have rhythm, but that makes them better than white folk, and so forth.
The completion of that trend is nihilism, since one can’t really transvalue the values of traditional morality. Calling evil “good” ends with valuing the nothingness, the privation of good that evil really is. It is either the abyss, or the pursuit of power for no purpose other than the pursuit of power.
Nope, it’s not an opinion. It’s the result of the EPR experiment actually being carried out, toss on the quantum-eraser experiment for good measure: Einstein was wrong, Bohr was right.
Ah, that explains it then: a Randian clinging to Rand’s crabbed version of rationalism. Wants to hide the fact that the EPR experiment has actually been carried out and local determinism overthrown, rather like Pythagoras wanting to hide the fact that the square root of two can’t be written as a fraction, so quantum mechanics is tossed into a list of disfavored things. (Odd, that, I personally suspect that quantum effects are the way free will actually gets implemented in the material world, but I guess Randians would rather live in Newton’s non-existent clockwork world than the real one we actually inhabit with all its weirdness.)
Well, I’ll confirm my judgment that Peikoff is an idiot, though I repent of my judgment that he is a post-modernist.
I’m sure it will be much easier to classify our Affirmative Action Kenyan Muslim Pres__ent by means of an “autopsy” of his political behavior after he’s out of office....