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UK: Axe falls on NHS [Socialized Medicine] services
The Telegraph ^ | 7/24/2010 | Laura Donnelly

Posted on 07/24/2010 1:47:15 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

NHS bosses have drawn up secret plans for sweeping cuts to services, with restrictions on the most basic treatments for the sick and injured.

Some of the most common operations — including hip replacements and cataract surgery — will be rationed as part of attempts to save billions of pounds, despite government promises that front-line services would be protected.

Patients’ groups have described the measures as “astonishingly brutal”.

An investigation by The Sunday Telegraph has uncovered widespread cuts planned across the NHS, many of which have already been agreed by senior health

service officials. They include:

Š Restrictions on some of the most basic and common operations, including hip and knee replacements, cataract surgery and orthodontic procedures.

Š Plans to cut hundreds of thousands of pounds from budgets for the terminally ill, with dying cancer patients to be told to manage their own symptoms if their condition worsens at evenings or weekends.

Š The closure of nursing homes for the elderly.

Š  A reduction in acute hospital beds, including those for the mentally ill, with targets to discourage GPs from sending patients to hospitals and reduce the number of people using accident and emergency departments.

Š Tighter rationing of NHS funding for IVF treatment, and for surgery for obesity.

Š  Thousands of job losses at NHS hospitals, including 500 staff to go at a trust where cancer patients recently suffered delays in diagnosis and treatment because of staff shortages.

Š Cost-cutting programmes in paediatric and maternity services, care of the elderly and services that provide respite breaks to long-term carers.

The Sunday Telegraph found the details of hundreds of cuts buried in obscure appendices to lengthy policy and strategy documents published by trusts. In most cases, local communities appear to be unaware of the plans.

Dr Peter Carter, the head of the Royal College of

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: axe; elections; falls; healthcare; nhs; obamacare; rationing; services; socialisthealthcare; socializedmedicine; surgery; uk; ungland

1 posted on 07/24/2010 1:47:17 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

Imagine that! You mean it’s not the greatest thing ever? Go figure...


2 posted on 07/24/2010 1:52:29 PM PDT by Edgar3 (Don't THREAD on me!)
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To: bruinbirdman

Outsource it to India, Turkey, Thailand etc. Save a fortune and get great service


3 posted on 07/24/2010 1:54:20 PM PDT by mainsail that ("A man will fight harder for his interests than for his rights" - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: bruinbirdman

Yes, but it’s still FREE.(/s)


4 posted on 07/24/2010 1:54:52 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: Mark
Yep. You get what you pay for....

Coming to all hospitals near you soon! - Obama

5 posted on 07/24/2010 1:56:45 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: bruinbirdman

Coming soon to a wanna-be third world Hell hole near you!


6 posted on 07/24/2010 2:01:42 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: bruinbirdman
"NHS bosses have drawn up secret plans for sweeping cuts to services, with restrictions on the most basic treatments for the sick and injured."

Government run Non-Health-Care at its finest. If implemented in the United States it will always be the first to receive bodget cuts. The Obama/Democrat Party controlled federal government is not interested in meeting the health care needs of citizens. Nationalized health care is for controlling people and influencing the way they vote. The socialist Democrats will cut peoples' benefits as soon as it is politically expedient to do so. Only liberal, "progressive" politically correct protected groups of supporters will receive quality medical care. The rest of us are scheduled for extermination through lack of care.

7 posted on 07/24/2010 2:02:05 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: bruinbirdman

This is just plain cruel, barbaric even, and we here KNOW that measures such as this will part and parcel of the ‘healthcare’ plan here right out of the gate.

It’s mind-numbing that the same idiots who voted for king barry and approve of the upcoming rationing and killing plan are the same ones who think animals should have lawyers.

If we treated our pets as badly as the UK is now treating their sick and elderly (soon to be on our own shores) these leftists would be calling the authorities and hauling neighbors into court for cruelty to animals.

My God, forgive me. I hate them.


8 posted on 07/24/2010 2:31:05 PM PDT by CaptainPhilFan
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To: bruinbirdman
Why mess around with health care cuts around the margins? Wouldn't it be more cost effective to simply let sick people die? Oh, wait. It appears this is doing just that. Never mind.
9 posted on 07/24/2010 2:32:43 PM PDT by Gritty (Washington no longer has a government; rather, it has a gangster regime - Jeffrey Kuhner)
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To: bruinbirdman
Sad but utterly predictable results of trying to 'equalize' health care. Like all communist-inspired schemes, it ends up diminishing the targeted services for everyone. Not hard to predict this will happen here if and when ObamaCare kicks in full-time.

The difference is that Americans, unlike the Brits, who have suffered with the NHS since the end of WWII, are used to excellent medical care - not rationing - and won't simply roll over and take this kind of screw job from their government. Well, I hope not. However, if we just accept this kind of rationing, we'll get what we deserve, but I don't think that will happen.

10 posted on 07/24/2010 2:55:56 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: bruinbirdman
There's just no excuse for this.

Any private business would find ways to maintain service. It would cut expenses, chop administrators and invest in capital to allow more to be done with less.

But when there's no profit motive -- when your very livelihood doesn't depend on providing the best possible service, then, of course -- you let your customers die.

11 posted on 07/24/2010 3:01:38 PM PDT by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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To: mainsail that

Yes, the references to “privatization” of former NHS services may really mean globalization or globalist outsourcing as you infer. You are on to something. Berwick, here in the US, might (probably is) be open to the same thing regarding Medicare and Medicaid.

Financially, in this country, we have just been globalized by and outsourced to the Fed Reserve by the Congress through the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (how Soviet), a creature entirely under the control of the Federal Reserve, a non-US corporation.


12 posted on 07/24/2010 3:17:53 PM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan eet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: bruinbirdman

I don’t see cuts in sex change operations or HIV treatments listed anywhere, do you?


13 posted on 07/24/2010 3:18:47 PM PDT by Kieri (The Conservatrarian)
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To: Kieri
"I don’t see cuts in sex change operations or HIV treatments listed anywhere, do you?"

No. But single mothers get only one try at a test tube baby and, thus, increased dole payments, down from three.

yitbos

14 posted on 07/24/2010 3:23:49 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: bruinbirdman

Are they going to stop funding abortions? Purely luxury procedures should not be funded by taxpayers—discontinuing funding the elective luxuries would free money for people who need care.


15 posted on 07/24/2010 3:27:07 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom
"Are they going to stop funding abortions?"

Old people and unborn are a burden.

yitbos

16 posted on 07/24/2010 3:35:30 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: bruinbirdman
I would be really, really careful about this article. I don't dispute that the plans may be there, but who drew them up? A government that wishes to cut costs or a bureaucracy that wishes to scare its 'customers' into demanding that the cuts be not implemented ... thus saving the jobs of those very same bureaucrats?
17 posted on 07/24/2010 3:37:07 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: bruinbirdman

In the USA, the Obama/Pelosi/Reid fix is to ship everyone to Hospice Centers, give them a pill, and let them die. We have our very own Liberal Holocaust in the making. Welcome to AuschwitzCare. Bend over and kiss your rectum goodbye.


18 posted on 07/24/2010 3:47:23 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead (Take back our country on November 2, 2010.)
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To: ExTexasRedhead
" the Obama/Pelosi/Reid fix "

The death panel fix. The Obammunist has already appointed his Dr. Mengela, aka Death Panel Commissar Donald Berwick.

Pelosi/Reid didn't have to be on the record as approving. The new Dr. Death was appointed through the black door while congress was at recess.

yitbos

19 posted on 07/24/2010 4:01:08 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: 17th Miss Regt

“Coming to all hospitals near you soon!”

With administrators like Shirley Sherrod to look after you too!!


20 posted on 07/24/2010 6:00:31 PM PDT by jch10 (Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war...)
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To: StormEye
The rest of us are scheduled for extermination through lack of care.



Perfectly worded and true for the U.S. now!

21 posted on 07/24/2010 9:03:59 PM PDT by JSteff (((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.)))
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To: bruinbirdman
Patients’ groups have described the measures as “astonishingly brutal”.

That's because the country's budget deficit is astonishingly high.

22 posted on 07/26/2010 3:55:08 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: bruinbirdman

hmmm...the intersection of reality and inevitability..


23 posted on 07/26/2010 3:57:11 AM PDT by mo
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To: I am Richard Brandon

That is a very good point. With a staff of 1.4 million (in a country of just over 60 million), the NHS has an enormous amount of political clout. Any UK politician even daring to suggest cuts to any part of the NHS is going to suffer.


24 posted on 07/26/2010 3:59:38 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: bruinbirdman

US : Health Law Augurs Transfer of Funds From Old to Young

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2559074/posts?page=4


25 posted on 07/26/2010 4:44:14 AM PDT by EBH (Our First Right...."it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,")
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To: bruinbirdman

Preview of Obamacare.

“* Restrictions on some of the most basic and common operations, including hip and knee replacements, cataract surgery and orthodontic procedures.

A reduction in acute hospital beds, including those for the mentally ill, with targets to discourage GPs from sending patients to hospitals and reduce the number of people using accident and emergency departments. “

I hope all those Obama voters take note.


26 posted on 07/26/2010 7:53:54 AM PDT by SmartInsight (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. ~ G. J. Nathan)
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To: bruinbirdman

Preview of Obamacare.

“* Restrictions on some of the most basic and common operations, including hip and knee replacements, cataract surgery and orthodontic procedures.

A reduction in acute hospital beds, including those for the mentally ill, with targets to discourage GPs from sending patients to hospitals and reduce the number of people using accident and emergency departments. “

I hope all those Obama voters take note.


27 posted on 07/26/2010 7:55:31 AM PDT by SmartInsight (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. ~ G. J. Nathan)
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To: CaptainPhilFan

Actually, this makes a lot of sense. My wife is a nurse, and they have a lot of patients funded by the government (Arizona). She says the fraud and abuse of the system are staggering, because there is no rationing - a doctor can order as many tests or exploratory surgeries as he desires, and the government pays the tab.

When the government pays for health care, there is only ONE way to control costs: rationing. The Obama fans are just too STUPID to know. The few that do are dishonest about it.


28 posted on 07/26/2010 7:59:45 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: CaptainPhilFan

They don’t have any money to pay for the services......


29 posted on 07/26/2010 8:11:22 AM PDT by misterrob (Thug Life....now showing at a White House near you....)
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To: CaptainPhilFan
If we treated our pets as badly as the UK is now treating their sick and elderly (soon to be on our own shores) these leftists would be calling the authorities and hauling neighbors into court for cruelty to animals.

That's because pets are near and dear to them. Humans aren't.

30 posted on 07/26/2010 9:34:32 AM PDT by bcsco (First there was Slick Willie. Now there's "Oil Slick" Barry...)
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To: Jim Scott
However, if we just accept this kind of rationing, we'll get what we deserve, but I don't think that will happen.

Never heard of HMO's huh?

A young boy, from Maryland, called Levin last Friday and told him of a movie they were forced to watch, no opt out option. The gist of the propaganda film was that it is selfish and unpatriotic for old people to hold onto life, and rob resources from the needy.

Gee where have we seen that kind of Propaganda before, Oh I remember it was in 1939.

31 posted on 07/26/2010 10:37:29 AM PDT by itsahoot (Republican leadership got us here, only God can get us out.)
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To: itsahoot

btt


32 posted on 07/26/2010 12:02:47 PM PDT by blf1776 (Mrs. Palin tear down that tent!!!)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Good point. However, the fact remains they’re running out of money. You cannot fund the pensions, the nonproductive bureaucracy and coddle tens of millions of free loaders.


33 posted on 07/26/2010 4:57:54 PM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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To: itsahoot
I actually miss my old HMO.
I could at least afford to see a doctor and have diagnostic tests run when I had a health concern.
I now pay $271.00 a month for a plan with a 4K deductable before any benefits at all kick in.
Now I have to save up a few thousand dollars before I can even make an appointment, for what I think may be a serious problem.
Or, I can just quit my job, or force my employer to fire me, in order to qualify for “free healthcare” from medicaid programs I paid taxes into for decades...oh wait, they are cutting those now, aren't they!
34 posted on 07/26/2010 6:03:09 PM PDT by sarasmom (No incumbent re-elected, at any level of government office.(Period))
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To: bruinbirdman

Ripening up the people to accept euthanasia.


35 posted on 07/26/2010 7:16:44 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Domestic Church
"Ripening up the people to accept euthanasia."

Every day more dots are being connected. The picture is becoming clearer to more people.

yitbos

36 posted on 07/26/2010 10:51:46 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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