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Code of silence corrodes morality, puts blacks at risk
St. Pete Times ^ | July 25, 2010 | Bill Maxwell

Posted on 07/24/2010 9:02:33 PM PDT by Wizski

For committing an act of pure decency, three black women are being ostracized by many other black people. • On the night of June 29, Delores Keen, Renee Roundtree and Rose Dodson rushed outside Keen's apartment after they heard gunshots. They discovered two Tampa police officers, David Curtis and Jeffrey Kocab, lying together on the ground. The officers had been shot. Dontae Morris, a 24-year-old black ex-convict, would be charged in the shootings.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: codeofsilence; leo; morality; officerdown; police; snitching

1 posted on 07/24/2010 9:02:38 PM PDT by Wizski
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To: Wizski
From the article....
 
 

In an article for New York magazine, writer Stanley Crouch, who has been condemned for advocating snitching, nicely summed up the lunacy of the code of silence: "The greatest threat to black life and limb is not the police; it's criminals in our community."

He is right. Black criminals victimize their own people. And we help them. If we do not call the police, we deserve the mayhem and dysfunction we suffer. When we conceal the identity of a murderer, we endanger everyone. When we turn our backs on drug deals near our homes, we cheapen the rule of law and destroy social values. In addition to its self-destructiveness, the snitching ethos alienates us from others, putting us at odds with normal behavior.
 
 
And what I don't get is the howls of protest from liberals at the large numbers of blacks behind bars. They claim it's racist??? OK, fine. Let them all out. Then don't be surprised when they return to the ghetto and begin killing other blacks like they have done for generations. It's called black on black crime.


2 posted on 07/24/2010 9:11:23 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: Wizski

Such civilized people (everyone other than the three women, that is). /sarc


3 posted on 07/24/2010 9:12:21 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: Responsibility2nd

This entire article is very, very good.

Including the conclusion.....

Would a decent person walk away and refuse to assist a mortally wounded fellow human being — a police officer? Would a decent person condemn someone for helping a police officer?

Blacks have only themselves to blame for giving other people good reasons to hold them in contempt. The code of silence is corrosive in every way.


4 posted on 07/24/2010 9:12:25 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: Wizski
This is very, very serious. If this ethos prevails, It will mean that the black community is to be without morality, except in the sense of “Thuggery”. This is the fruit of hate and racism, the very racism that the NAACP says black people by definition are not capable of living! This is total corruption of an ethnic community. Pray that this evil is exposed before it is too late.
5 posted on 07/24/2010 9:15:00 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: Responsibility2nd
” ... Then don't be surprised when they return to the ghetto and begin killing other blacks like they have done for generations. It's called black on black crime. ...”

This is precisely what Eldridge Cleaver described in his book “Soul On Ice” back in the 60s, but he was trying to justify it. He was a paid charlatan. IMHO

6 posted on 07/24/2010 9:19:36 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: J Edgar

Agreed, very serious indeed.

Now if this could be politicized, the Dems could hold their seats this November, or the GOP could leverage it, they could take some seats........
Hmmm, much for them to ponder.......

Meanwhile, serious discussion of race is being defined by MSM as being Breitbart versus Sherrod. Very sad, keeping real issues buried.


7 posted on 07/24/2010 9:22:45 PM PDT by Wizski (Often wrong, plan accordingly...)
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To: Wizski
” ... Meanwhile, serious discussion of race is being defined by MSM as being Breitbart versus Sherrod. Very sad, keeping real issues buried. ... “

Yes Corporate Media frames racial issues in the context of Sheriff Bull Connor with dogs attacking innocent people on a bridge in Mississippi, instead of actually caring about what is good for the black community, and consequently good for the country. They are strictly into a divide into good/bad, and we know best presentation.

8 posted on 07/24/2010 9:31:15 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: J Edgar
the very racism that the NAACP says black people by definition are not capable of living!

That is because each of them decides what is racism or a racist act against them. Then the accused needs to defend themselves against the accusation.

It is the old "Quick explain your self and address the fact": Do you always have a puff of marijuana every night after you best your wife and kids?

No way to win that accusation.
9 posted on 07/24/2010 9:31:23 PM PDT by JSteff (((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.)))
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To: JSteff

LOL so true.

I would plead, yes, but it is very, very low grade because that’s all I can afford!


10 posted on 07/24/2010 9:33:56 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: Wizski

The comments, many of them apparently made by Blacks who live in the Tampa/St. Petersburg area, are as interesting as the article is...


11 posted on 07/24/2010 9:33:58 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (“Si vis pacem, para bellum” - if you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Wizski

The Code of Silence.

12 posted on 07/24/2010 9:39:08 PM PDT by gitmo ( The democRats drew first blood. It's our turn now.)
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To: gitmo

The Code of Silence

13 posted on 07/24/2010 9:40:54 PM PDT by gitmo ( The democRats drew first blood. It's our turn now.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
The code of silence is corrosive in every way.

To be fair, the "no snitching" code of silence in the 'hood probably stems more from self-preservation than any black solidarity against The Man. Think about it. Even as we can't build prisons fast enough to lock up violent street thugs, conviction rates for crimes in the ghetto are often abysmally low. Witnesses vanish, stories get changed and charges get dropped. Murderers and other violent criminals walk free. And word travels pretty fast in the 'hood about who was talking to the police out on the street corner.

Residents learn mighty quick to keep their mouths shut and look the other way. Can't really blame them. They gotta live there. Their kids gotta live there too. I'm not saying it's right but it is what it is.

14 posted on 07/24/2010 9:45:16 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Drew68

Residents learn mighty quick to keep their mouths shut and look the other way.

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They do. Even when the punks kill one of their own children; they will not snitch.

They’ll just go right on blaming Whitey.


15 posted on 07/24/2010 9:52:01 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: J Edgar
...instead of actually caring about what is good for the black community, and consequently good for the country....

It is not as obvious to me as to you that what is good for the black community is "consequently good for the country".

In fact, it appears to me that the very best outcome for individual blacks would be for the black community to disappear.

Think about the fact that whenever individual blacks acquire great wealth the first thing they do is to leave the geographical black community and move to a mostly-white wealthy community.

Middle-class blacks live in integrated middle-class communities.

All the blacks I have worked with have been upper middle-class Americans.

The very existence of a black community, with its derision toward "acting white", acquiring education, and striving for upward mobility through work, is the biggest millstone around the necks of individual blacks today.

16 posted on 07/24/2010 9:52:58 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Responsibility2nd

I saw a group of black women stand around laughing and jeering at a security guard at Target. The man had collapsed with a heart attack on the sidewalk outside the store. They were cheering for him to die before the ambulance arrived.


17 posted on 07/24/2010 9:52:58 PM PDT by gitmo ( The democRats drew first blood. It's our turn now.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

BTW, the security guard did die on the sidewalk.


18 posted on 07/24/2010 9:54:08 PM PDT by gitmo ( The democRats drew first blood. It's our turn now.)
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To: Captain Rhino

Those are interesting comments. Especially the one that mentions Bill Maxwell - the author - is black himself and knows what he’s talking about.

It would be easy for blacks and liberals to dismiss this as a racist white opinion. But that is just not the case.

I also like the thumbs up-thumbs down rating other commenters give each comment.

Don’t think I’ve seen that before in other threads like that. Cool.


19 posted on 07/24/2010 10:01:10 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: Wizski

A humble hats off to those courageous ladies who did the right thing regardless of the consequences. And a middle finger to those modern day plantation owners: the white liberals and “black leaders” who have a vested interest in black dependency.


20 posted on 07/24/2010 10:32:34 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: Drew68
Residents learn mighty quick to keep their mouths shut and look the other way. Can't really blame them. They gotta live there. Their kids gotta live there too. I'm not saying it's right but it is what it is.

I lived in "the hood" of Los Angeles as a teenager, and am very familiar with the sort of "code of silence" the article refers to.

I once testified against one of the most hardened thugs in my neighborhood in an extortion case. Two others that were to have testified disappeared before the trial. My testimony put the crim away for a couple of years.

About two months later, I was caught off-guard at a house party by one of his friends, who pinned me against a wall with a knife pressing into my gut. A freak car accident right outside at that very moment startled everyone, and enabled me to escape with my life.

After that, I had to travel with friends everywhere I went, and constantly watch my back. In time, it all died down, but for a time, I was very much at risk of injury or death.

21 posted on 07/24/2010 10:36:15 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Wizski

Taking in the whole situation. The stop snitching mentality, the black on black crime, the violent push away from education and bettering ones self. The absolute hatred of anything associated with success. It seems to me that what we are witnessing is a class of people hell bent on annihilating themselves.

If this is so, why should I care?


22 posted on 07/24/2010 10:52:10 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Those types usually take a few down with them, that are innocents. Stray bullets, vandalism, robbery.


23 posted on 07/24/2010 11:01:54 PM PDT by Wizski (Often wrong, plan accordingly...)
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To: Drew68

That’s pretty much the way I read it as well. Anyone who snitches in those areas of town better damn well make sure they do it anonymously and that there is no way it can be traced back to them.


24 posted on 07/24/2010 11:27:36 PM PDT by Ronin
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
"If this is so, why should I care?"

Because when things go wrong, you or yours may be collateral damage in any part of your life that touches on one of theirs.
25 posted on 07/24/2010 11:42:00 PM PDT by JSteff (((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.)))
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To: CurlyDave

Having been born and raised in South Los Angeles (4 miles from Watts, and 2 miles from the place where the ‘64 Watts riots began on Imperial Hwy, close to the Nickelson Gardens, I am saying that the identity of Black Community is real, can be positive, and is not going to go away. Just as Jazz and ‘The Blues” aren’t going to go away.
I am of European ancestry. I have many friends, present and past from both the Black and Mexican communities. They are all dear friends, and have been good to me over many years of friendship.
I give this brief background, so that you know I am not speaking from social theory or idealism of some nature.
The black population of the US is somewhere between 15% to 25%. Blacks have participated in the history of this country from the beginning, as slaves, freemen, revolutionary fighters, civil war veterans, cowboys, inventors, creators, and every other aspect of our history and culture.
WWII, and the CommieCrates have contributed greatly to the demise of the Black family and Church, and their once functional educational system.
What I am saying, is that a restored and healthy Black community, will once again be a positive force in America.
We are all children of God, each and very one created just as He wished us to be created (to believe anything less, is to say God is not in charge of His Own creation!), and Christ died on the Cross for each and every one to be saved after The Fall.
That is the perspective from which my remarks issue forth.


26 posted on 07/24/2010 11:42:46 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: J Edgar

You’ve stated some truisms interspersed with personal experiences along with a healthy dose of Christian fundamentalism .

But what about the premise of the article?


27 posted on 07/24/2010 11:59:50 PM PDT by primeval patriot
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To: Wizski
Blacks have only themselves to blame for giving other people good reasons to hold them in contempt.

If the Kenyan had two brain cells to rub together, he'd be preaching this from the bully pulpit on a daily basis.

28 posted on 07/25/2010 12:05:18 AM PDT by primeval patriot
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To: primeval patriot
In an article for New York magazine, writer Stanley Crouch, who has been condemned for advocating snitching, nicely summed up the lunacy of the code of silence: "The greatest threat to black life and limb is not the police; it's criminals in our community."

Gosh, that's pure genius. It takes a black, U.S. citizen, and bonafide member of the establishment intelligentsia to state the freaking obvious.

29 posted on 07/25/2010 12:12:18 AM PDT by primeval patriot
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To: primeval patriot

“You’ve stated some truisms interspersed with personal experiences along with a healthy dose of Christian fundamentalism .

But what about the premise of the article?”


I believe I addressed that in my post #8.

I am unable to respond in more detail, since you speak in generalities, who’s specific meanings are know only to yourself, in the context of post #26.


30 posted on 07/25/2010 12:22:41 AM PDT by J Edgar
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To: J Edgar

O.K., read earlier post. Of course those are excellent points regarding mainstream media propaganda.

However, there’s no need to use Christianity and/or personal experiences to apologize for the barbarity that’s present in today’s black community.

Conservatives owe no apologies. There should be no defensiveness.


31 posted on 07/25/2010 12:38:50 AM PDT by primeval patriot
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To: primeval patriot
CurlyDave in post #16 said:
“..instead of actually caring about what is good for the black community, and consequently good for the country....
It is not as obvious to me as to you that what is good for the black community is “consequently good for the country”.

In fact, it appears to me that the very best outcome for individual blacks would be for the black community to disappear.

Think about the fact that whenever individual blacks acquire great wealth the first thing they do is to leave the geographical black community and move to a mostly-white wealthy community.

Middle-class blacks live in integrated middle-class communities.

All the blacks I have worked with have been upper middle-class Americans.

The very existence of a black community, with its derision toward “acting white”, acquiring education, and striving for upward mobility through work, is the biggest millstone around the necks of individual blacks today.”

My reply, post #26 was not written to be defensive, but rather to shed light upon the motivation for my post #8, in a response to his questioning.

I am 100% conservative, 0% liberal, and speak from experience when it's germane.
I do not believe I am defensive in anyway, and assert that the Constitution is ethnic, race, and religion neutral (excluding atheism, since without God, there can be no inalienable rights).

32 posted on 07/25/2010 12:53:54 AM PDT by J Edgar
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To: Windflier

Whoa. That is very scary. Glad you’re here to post with us.


33 posted on 07/25/2010 1:42:12 AM PDT by onona (dbada)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Taking in the whole situation. The stop snitching mentality, the black on black crime, the violent push away from education and bettering ones self. The absolute hatred of anything associated with success. It seems to me that what we are witnessing is a class of people hell bent on annihilating themselves.

If this is so, why should I care?

Because this is not happening on another planet, or in another dimension. Because these slowly self-destructing communities are separated from the rest of society by a cordon sanitaire. Because society as a whole bears the cost of repairing the damage and incarcerating the perpetrators. Because...

Honestly: Was you posting meant in earnest?

Regards,

34 posted on 07/25/2010 2:47:52 AM PDT by alexander_busek
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To: Wizski

I’m sad and somewhat ashamed to admit that I don’t want to comment on this because it’s “icky.” I can stay away from troubled areas and go armed when I must go near them; I can honestly say that this pile of problems is mostly other peoples’ pile, and there’s hardly anything I can do about it; but these “legitimate reasons” *feel* like poor excuses, and feel really bad. Damn!


35 posted on 07/25/2010 5:24:58 AM PDT by JohnQ1 ("I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow)
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To: Responsibility2nd

This is true in most poor neighborhoods, particularly those that are ghettos...and I mean that in the ethnic sense of the word. I grew up in New York City, and knew the same code existed in the polish, irish and italian lower income neighborhoods. Once people move out to middle class suburbs...there is no code of silence....


36 posted on 07/25/2010 6:49:57 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: CurlyDave

That derision existed and exists within every ethnic minority community/ghetto.
When we first moved to America, my parents refused to move into the russian area of Brooklyn. They looked around and saw people who never left and moved up. They were an isolated fringe, and my parents moved to America to become Americans.


37 posted on 07/25/2010 6:54:53 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: gitmo

Oh that can’t be true because we’re assured that it’s just a very few who are like this, not even enough to form a stereotype. Stereotypes are just whitey’s racist tripe.

/heavy sarcasm


38 posted on 07/25/2010 7:06:50 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (They told me I was gullible and I believed them.)
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To: Wizski

This phenomenon isn’t any different from some Italian communities vis ‘a’ vis the mob.


39 posted on 07/25/2010 9:36:35 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: onona
Whoa. That is very scary. Glad you’re here to post with us.

I was like a cat with nine lives in my teen years. I could have (and probably should have) died many times in my youth. A lot of people I knew didn't make it.

I'm glad to be here, too. Thanks.

40 posted on 07/25/2010 11:32:46 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
From the article: By trying to help the officers, Keen, Roundtree and Dodson showed, in the eyes of many, that they are not "authentically black." They are traitors to their race.

Let's look at this more closely, shall we? This attitude indicates that those who feel this way consider themselves AT WAR with the police. Why would they consider the police the enemy? Because they consider that the police protect white America against black crime.

The media don't want people to go and examine this attitude too deeply.

41 posted on 07/25/2010 11:50:44 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
If this is so, why should I care?

"If you tolerate this...your children will be next."

42 posted on 07/25/2010 11:55:26 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: PapaBear3625
From the article: By trying to help the officers, Keen, Roundtree and Dodson showed, in the eyes of many, that they are not "authentically black." They are traitors to their race.

So much for judging a man not based on the color of his skin, but on the content of his character.

43 posted on 07/25/2010 11:56:41 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Wizski

Race issues have really gotten better since Obama was elected, hasn’t it?


44 posted on 07/25/2010 1:38:03 PM PDT by Ballygrl
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