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Wikileaks Releases U.S. Afghanistan War Files; Partners With NY Times, UK Guardian, Der Spiegel
Sunday, July 25, 2010 | Kristinn

Posted on 07/25/2010 2:51:21 PM PDT by kristinn

Read reports on the files at:

Der Spiegel

The New York Times

The Guardian

Intro by Der Spiegel:

Close to 92,000 US documents have been uncovered that shed new light on the war in Afghanistan. In an unprecedented development, close to 92,000 classified documents pertaining to the war in Afghanistan have been leaked. SPIEGEL, the New York Times and the Guardian have analyzed the raft of mostly classified documents. They expose the true scale of the Western military deployment -- and the problems beleaguering Germany's Bundeswehr in the Hindu Kush.

A total of 91,731 reports from United States military databanks relating to the war in Afghanistan are to be made publicly available on the Internet. Never before has it been possible to compare the reality on the battlefield in such a detailed manner with what the US Army propaganda machinery is propagating. WikiLeaks plans to post the documents, most of which are classified, on its website.

Britain's Guardian newspaper, the New York Times and SPIEGEL have all vetted the material and compared the data with independent reports. All three media have concluded that the documents are authentic and provide an unvarnished image of the war in Afghanistan -- from the perspective of the soldiers who are fighting it.

The reports, from troops engaged in the ongoing combat, were tersely summarized and quickly dispatched. For the most part, they originate from sergeants -- but some have been penned by the occasional lieutenant at a command post or ranking analysts with the military intelligence service.

In a statement to Der Spiegel, Obama National Security Council spokesman Ben Rhodes blamed President George W. Bush:

... It is important to note that the time period reflected in the documents is January 2004 to December 2009. The war in Afghanistan was under-resourced for many years. ... On Dec. 1, 2009, President Obama announced a new strategy and new resources for Afghanistan and Pakistan precisely because of the grave situation.


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1 posted on 07/25/2010 2:51:25 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Charge them with high treason!


2 posted on 07/25/2010 2:52:35 PM PDT by Yorktownpatriot
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To: kristinn

“In a statement to Der Spiegel, Obama National Security Council spokesman Ben Rhodes blamed President George W. Bush”

Beyond belief!

How about holding Obama responsible for NOT stopping Wikileaks from releasing top secret data?


3 posted on 07/25/2010 2:55:53 PM PDT by SmartInsight (Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote. ~ G. J. Nathan)
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To: kristinn

With all that’s going on on the world they still haven’t let go of Bush. You’ll read the same headlines from libs 50 years from now when anything bad that happens....BUSH’S FAULT!


4 posted on 07/25/2010 2:56:41 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: kristinn
In a statement to Der Spiegel, Obama National Security Council spokesman Ben Rhodes blamed President George W. Bush

Seems to be an acquired reflex of the leftwing species...
5 posted on 07/25/2010 2:56:45 PM PDT by alecqss
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To: kristinn

The New York Times is nothing but a treasonous propaganda rag, but that’s ok. Because it’s all Bush’s fault.


6 posted on 07/25/2010 2:58:45 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (JUST VOTE THEM OUT! teapartyexpress.org)
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To: kristinn

How many troops have been killed in July 2010?


7 posted on 07/25/2010 2:59:00 PM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: kristinn

SCUM OF THE EARTH!

THIS ACT OF TREASON WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN OR FORGIVEN!


8 posted on 07/25/2010 3:01:32 PM PDT by Ronbo1948
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To: kristinn
We see this kind of crap happen over and over again. NOBODY will be charged with treason or anything else. Our own are working against us. I begged my son NOT to go into the military right now even though I'm a vet. If they're not bringing our soldiers up on bogus charges, tying their hands with ROE, the administration is cutting them off at the knees, or the media is leaking information to get them killed. My God, how can these people sleep at night?! I hate them and hope they all burn in hell!
9 posted on 07/25/2010 3:07:30 PM PDT by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: kristinn

Amazing isn’t it, these media “genius’s” can’t relate
the fact that this “unusual” release of documents only deals with the previous administration?


10 posted on 07/25/2010 3:07:55 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: kristinn
There was a report that some 850k or more have top secret clearance in this country now. When it's that overdone, leaks are going to happen. There needs to be a real crack down. I know even with that level you are still limited, but there's enough tracking now to know who is leaking this stuff if they cared to.
11 posted on 07/25/2010 3:11:55 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: kristinn

The penalty must be death.


12 posted on 07/25/2010 3:16:12 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: petitfour

Around 60 sadly.


13 posted on 07/25/2010 3:17:09 PM PDT by library user
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To: SmartInsight

LOL, who do you think gave them the documents?

They should be summarily shot


14 posted on 07/25/2010 3:19:07 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Yorktownpatriot
Charge them with high treason!

SECOND THAT. But hey, this will get the same treatment from the Destroyer-In-Chief as his buddies in the New Panther Party got.
15 posted on 07/25/2010 3:24:53 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Ronbo1948
THIS ACT OF TREASON WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN OR FORGIVEN!

Who are you kidding? How many people have been charged with leaking our sigint capabilities that graced the cover of the NYT?

Where was the outrage over the release of the number of nuclear warheads? What about the information regarding interrogators at Gitmo?

Sure, it will be here in the minds of FReepers, but do you really think that all responsible will be held accountable? Really? The only, ONLY, way that would happen if there was a crisis that couldn't be wasted and someone was to be thrown under the bus for political expediency.

That is because so many Americans are lazy and ignorant. It doesn't affect them directly so they don't care. They could release bank info, ssns, addresses, credit card info etc etc and most Americans wouldn't care until it was THEIR account that was drained. Do you really think the majority of Americans care that information regarding a war that rarely makes the news these days was released? Oh sure, they may grumble at the TV. Some may call an elected "representative" and that'll be it.

In Breaking News is an article about the WH approving the release of the Lockerbie bomber....... a nickel says that outside of FR, maybe Glenn Beck/Limbaugh ......[crickets].

The electorate deserves the government it gets; they deserve the loss of liberty they voted for. They deserve the unemployment, they deserve all of it. The only shame is the ones that swore to uphold and defend the Constitution are the ones who will die because of it and the hard working Americans will be dragged down as well. The crocidile may very well eat me; but I sure hope to see some of these parasites get crapped out first.

Stock food, water, lead, brass, and copper.....

Eventually the sheeple will realize what "fundemental transformation" and "we are the ones we've been waiting for" really mean. Eventually the zombies will find out there isn't money enough to cover their entitlements.

It won't be pretty.

16 posted on 07/25/2010 3:27:25 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (The buck, it seems, never gets to Obama; a surprise considering how many they print)
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To: kristinn

They should be charged with treason.


17 posted on 07/25/2010 3:27:53 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: kristinn

“from the perspective of the soldiers who are fighting it.”

The last time someone gave their opinion, they were forced to retire.


18 posted on 07/25/2010 3:28:13 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: Tolsti2
"There needs to be a real crack down."

All the legal tools are there for a crackdown but no modern administration seems willing to exercise them.

First, it's illegal to PUBLISH, TRANSFER and DISSEMINATE Classified information. Every publisher who does so should be imprisoned for no less than 20 years and depending on the nature of the information, hanging.

Second, be willing to reduce the sentence by 1/2 for the publisher/reporter IF they give up their source.

19 posted on 07/25/2010 3:30:53 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: kristinn
Did they get those documents from Bradley Manning?
(Manning boasted that he had sent 260,000 pages of confidential diplomatic cables to WikiLeaks.)

There's too much PC BS in the military, and it will only get worse, especially if they openly allow perverts into the armed services.

20 posted on 07/25/2010 3:31:30 PM PDT by smokingfrog (freerepublic.com - Now 100% flag free.)
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To: ladyvet

This, in combination with the Lockerbie Murderer’s complacent release by the Wizzard of BOZ and his Court Jesters ought to seal the deal, but it won’t.


21 posted on 07/25/2010 3:38:33 PM PDT by Shady (No more LAWS based on LIES!!!!)
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To: smokingfrog
There's little doubt it's Manning.

If Wikileaks and Der Speigel, NYT and others move forward with their publication, they MUST be prosecuted.

22 posted on 07/25/2010 3:45:36 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Repeat Offender

You, sir, NAILED IT! Right there with you!


23 posted on 07/25/2010 3:47:01 PM PDT by piytar (Journomarxists didnt go away. They just moved to a more secure venue...)
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To: Yorktownpatriot

Yea, right. The ruling class protects each other even from treason.


24 posted on 07/25/2010 3:47:23 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The US will not die with a whimper. It will die with thundering applause from the left.)
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To: kristinn
I ran across a report recently giving - as I recall - stats about the number of US born/trained/paid “contractors”, ie mercenaries, being killed in Afghanistan, compared to deaths of US Military men/women: The ratio, as I recall was around 4:1 or 6:1.

Reasons given were basically that they were more likely to be assigned to the really dangerous jobs like convoy escort. Interesting, as well, is the fact that news reports of US “deaths” in Afghanistan do not include these numbers - artificially making the war seem less bloody for our side, I suppose. The whole thing is probably done by design, but that's just my interpretation.

I've had the displeasure several times in recent months of talking on separate occasions with a mid-grade officer and two sergeants - all warrior-minded individuals with long records of combat action - who have returned from that theater in the past year and a half. They all told me basically the same story: Ridiculous rules of engagement and transparently poor command all the way to the top, endangering and costing US lives, and leading in each case to decisions to end their military careers prematurely.

I am not crazy about the spin the NYT and others are putting on this, but the facts need the light of day, and I'm glad for that.

25 posted on 07/25/2010 3:50:10 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: kristinn

If I was President, I would immediately classify everyone involved with doing this as enemy combatants and/or traitors and send out wet-workers to sanction (kill) them. Period.

Unconstitutional? Nope - that’s what would have happened during WWII...


26 posted on 07/25/2010 3:50:10 PM PDT by piytar (Journomarxists didnt go away. They just moved to a more secure venue...)
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To: piytar

Sorry, not “enemy combatants,” but “spies” per the Geneva Convention (not that anyone outside the conservative right care what that document actually says).


27 posted on 07/25/2010 3:55:13 PM PDT by piytar (Journomarxists didnt go away. They just moved to a more secure venue...)
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To: Mariner

Yep, the leaker and then the publisher all need to be locked up at the very least. I have a feeling that this will be treated as importantly as illegal aliens though.


28 posted on 07/25/2010 4:03:10 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: kristinn

He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign. Sun Tzu


29 posted on 07/25/2010 4:06:06 PM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (They do not wish to govern us, they wish to RULE us!)
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To: SmartInsight

Obama’s too busy trying to shut down Fox News.


30 posted on 07/25/2010 4:15:12 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: Cheerio

If Wikileaks were to be charged with treason, then the entire Obama Administration would have to be. Treason will just have to remain “acceptable behavior” with Obama leading by example.


31 posted on 07/25/2010 4:18:53 PM PDT by historyrepeatz
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To: petitfour

The networks no longer announce brave soldier’s deaths.

However, leading tonight’s newscast, the Obama family has a new puppy...............

America, you have made a huge mistake.


32 posted on 07/25/2010 4:20:16 PM PDT by swpa_mom
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To: Yorktownpatriot

They acted stupidy


33 posted on 07/25/2010 4:22:45 PM PDT by joelt
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To: kristinn

It’s important to note that WikiLeaks has thousands of Hillary Clinton’s classified diplomatic cables as Secretary of State to various foreign governments...

...and that Wikileaks and the NY Times refuses to publish them because their release might harm Democrats.

But classified military documents? No problem. They’ll publish those.


34 posted on 07/25/2010 4:33:59 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: kristinn

They knew this was going to happen and did nothing about it. BO is complicit.


35 posted on 07/25/2010 4:35:26 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Tolsti2

“There was a report that some 850k or more have top secret clearance in this country now. When it’s that overdone, leaks are going to happen”

850,000 didn’t release this. One guy stole the files and gave them to wiki. He has already been arrested and the founder of wiki has been on the run (in Europe) for weeks.


36 posted on 07/25/2010 4:37:28 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: dagogo redux

“I am not crazy about the spin the NYT and others are putting on this, but the facts need the light of day, and I’m glad for that. “

Except that is why this information was released or the intent of the information they released. They released this to show how evil America is.


37 posted on 07/25/2010 4:40:47 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: kristinn

I’ll bet dollars to donuts this leak was orchestrated by obumber himself. Gotta distract from massive casualties American solderers are suffering due to the inept leadership by the so called potus.


38 posted on 07/25/2010 4:51:19 PM PDT by JoSixChip (You think your having a bad day?.....Just remember, somewhere out there is a Mr. Pelosi!)
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To: Mariner

Probably not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Co._v._United_States

Highly irresponsible maybe, probably not illegal though.


39 posted on 07/25/2010 4:56:52 PM PDT by oldleft
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To: kristinn
It is important to note that the time period reflected in the documents is January 2004 to December 2009. The war in Afghanistan was under-resourced for many years. ... On Dec. 1, 2009, President Obama announced a new strategy and new resources for Afghanistan and Pakistan precisely because of the grave situation.

So the period covered by the leaked documents coincides perfectly with Dear Leader's announcement of his new strategy in Afghanistan. It covers the Bush years plus Obama's first year. But it conveniently stops at the point when Obama announces the new strategy.

40 posted on 07/25/2010 5:03:21 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: kristinn
Shades of Daniel Ellsberg. This has already been done long ago. Hardly original. Treasonous? Sure. But the results will be the same. The leakers will be turned into modern day heroes of the revolution.
41 posted on 07/25/2010 5:09:40 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: kristinn

After reading this quote, I have to wonder what is really going on:

“The period of time covered in these documents (January 2004-December 2009) is before the President announced his new strategy. Some of the disconcerting things reported are exactly why the President ordered a three month policy review and a change in strategy.”


43 posted on 07/25/2010 5:42:30 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: SmartInsight

>> Beyond belief! [still blaming Bush]

It’s a self-castrating process - their complaining.

The impuissant scapegoating is a vulnerability for the Left.


44 posted on 07/25/2010 5:46:50 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: kristinn
Ya know, I wonder if any of these publications have any loved ones in the military.

I wonder if they might change their ways if they got a call from an Officer at some Army fort asking if they have heard from their son....after an IED attack. Or a call from another Military guy in Washington D.C. asking about your kids contact information.

I've been through it.

These people make me sick. That's okay, They made me find FR!

45 posted on 07/25/2010 6:29:14 PM PDT by MountainDad (Support your local Militia)
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I was just over at wikileaks browsing through the data and came across the CIA's log of enhanced interrogation techniques (EIT) briefings. I don't know if this was available publicly before, but anyhow...For all the caterwalling Pelosi was doing about torture, and how she didn't know (like we believed a word of that), the document shows that she was briefed on 9/4/02.

http://file.wikileaks.org/file/us-cia-congress-torture-briefings-2009.pdf
46 posted on 07/25/2010 6:41:17 PM PDT by domeika
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To: kristinn

Treason!

Off with their heads!

....of course it will never happen!


47 posted on 07/25/2010 6:48:13 PM PDT by LUV W (DIMs?......start packin'--you're fired!....I can see November from my house!)
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To: kristinn

I’d bet the farm the administration is in on this. But to what end? To change the subject or to set the stage for a withdrawal? (ie Getting us out of a royal mess Bush put us in.)


48 posted on 07/25/2010 6:50:14 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (.)
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To: kristinn

BTTT


49 posted on 07/25/2010 6:50:30 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (*)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

I agree, there’s a reason behind it.


50 posted on 07/25/2010 6:52:06 PM PDT by HollyB
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