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Family and pediatrician tangle over gun question
Ocala.com ^ | Saturday, July 24, 2010 | Fred Hiers

Posted on 07/25/2010 6:20:15 PM PDT by Suck My AR-16

Family and pediatrician tangle over gun question

It was a question Amber Ullman least expected Wednesday from her children's pediatrician.

Do you keep a gun in the house?

When the 26-year-old Summerfield woman refused to answer, the Ocala doctor finished her child's examination and told her she had 30 days to find a new pediatrician and that she wasn't welcome at Children's Health of Ocala anymore.

"Whether I have a gun has nothing to do with the health of my child," said the mother of three girls.

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1 posted on 07/25/2010 6:20:19 PM PDT by Suck My AR-16
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To: Suck My AR-16

Sue the SOB.....


2 posted on 07/25/2010 6:21:44 PM PDT by blam
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To: Suck My AR-16

She should make a formal complaint to the FL state medical licensing board for a professional boundary violation.


3 posted on 07/25/2010 6:22:29 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: Suck My AR-16

Say no. Pursue legal action as necessary.

Myself ? I would say “no” and find another doctor. Leave it. I don’t like people knowing whether there is, or isn’t. And I definately don’t like getting authorities involved when they don’t need to be.


4 posted on 07/25/2010 6:23:23 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: Suck My AR-16

It is not the doctors’ business if I have guns in my home.


5 posted on 07/25/2010 6:23:45 PM PDT by Grunthor (My coffee creamer is fat free because I am not.)
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To: Suck My AR-16

I think he did her a favor. Why would you want a pediatrician that retarded? Find another good doc and be sure to post comments about his/her idiocy on the various doctor review sites.


6 posted on 07/25/2010 6:24:29 PM PDT by Filo (Darwin was right!)
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To: Suck My AR-16

File a complaint with the medical licensing agency and the insurance companies. Contact the NRA for recommendations as to legal assistance.


7 posted on 07/25/2010 6:25:21 PM PDT by rogator
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To: Suck My AR-16

Here in Mississippi, damn guy would be clientless.


8 posted on 07/25/2010 6:25:24 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS.)
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To: blam

On what grounds?


9 posted on 07/25/2010 6:25:54 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Suck My AR-16

Pediatrician by in large are POSs. What type of “training” does it take to be a “pediatrician”?


10 posted on 07/25/2010 6:26:29 PM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: Suck My AR-16

My children’s pediatrician asked us that at every checkup. It always bothered me. He also asked me all kinds of questions about my kids’ social life because we homeschool.

(Those of you who homeschool know what I’m talking about, people act like we keep our kids locked away or something - when fact is my kids have more time to socialize than they did in public school, but I digress...)

The day I said “no more” was when he gave a wishywashy answer on Obamacare. We found our new ped through FRiends here. He has written in his blog against Obamacare, and we loved him in person. We received none of the intrusive questions that have nothing to do with my kids’ health.


11 posted on 07/25/2010 6:26:39 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Eventus stultorum magister)
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To: Suck My AR-16

This is very common. Pediatricians across the country are asking this question.

They also ask personal questions of kids who are old enough to see the doctor without a parent present.


12 posted on 07/25/2010 6:26:53 PM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Suck My AR-16

Was the doctor planning to break into the patient’s house? Otherwise, the question is not relevant. Perhaps the doctor should be reported to the state medical board for investigation of child endangerment.


13 posted on 07/25/2010 6:27:40 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: Suck My AR-16

I suspect there is some national program about logging gun ownership by MDs. It came about at the same time UCC church playgroups tried to find out which families had guns, so that you would not have to worry if you sent your kids’ over to the Dubrowski’s house, they were on record as being “gun free”.

I think AMA started this? And now that we will have national electronic medical records available to LEO and Govt coast to coast (but not you), questions like this and others become very important.


14 posted on 07/25/2010 6:28:11 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Suck My AR-16

This practice is happening throughout the medical practice. I had my annual physical and there were 3 questions related to guns. I left them blank. It is another method of collecting data. Children are not in the habit of lying to a doctor.


15 posted on 07/25/2010 6:28:50 PM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: Suck My AR-16
She is right. Of couorse she could have answered by asking, " Do you have one in yours?"

Next thing you know, the left will put the question on census forms.

16 posted on 07/25/2010 6:29:22 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes.......is fascist... ..He meets every diagnostic of history.)
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To: 1rudeboy

If I had my child in an office and a doctor asked me that question, I would direct my child to get up, get dressed, and on the way out tell the doctor it is none of his business if we have chrystal chandaliers, guns, furs, oriental rugs or no furniture at all in our house..and by the way the there will be complaints registered with the medical association, medical society and a letter to the editor in the local paper warning other parents of his inappropriate questions.


17 posted on 07/25/2010 6:29:35 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: DBrow

American Academy of Pediatrics behind this insult.


18 posted on 07/25/2010 6:29:54 PM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: Suck My AR-16

“”If I don’t have to register my gun with the state of Florida, why do I have to tell my pediatrician whether I own a gun?” Tom Ullman asked.”

You don’t have to register, but if you answer the question it will go into what are going to be the governments electronic records for health care.

Kids in the house? A gun? My, my... we can’t have that.

Past retirement age? Somewhat infirm? A gun? My, my... we can’t have that.

Capiche?


20 posted on 07/25/2010 6:30:04 PM PDT by 4buttons
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To: Suck My AR-16

Probably don’t want to stay with a doctor that’s such a bastard anyhow.


21 posted on 07/25/2010 6:30:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Suck My AR-16

i would have answered “ i sure do”- i have guns in every room my house loaded to the max with hollow points, and i also have a tank in my garage— then i woulda walked out


22 posted on 07/25/2010 6:30:36 PM PDT by chicken head
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To: Suck My AR-16

>>...told her she had 30 days to find a new pediatrician and that she wasn’t welcome at Children’s Health of Ocala anymore.”<<

This so-called ‘doctor’ wouldn’t have to tell me to find a new pediatrician. I would have gathered my daughter’s clothes, told the guy to go eff himself and found a new one that afternoon. It’s none of their damn business.

If my daughter needed emergency care and Children’s Health of Ocala was the closest hospital and they refused treatment, they would find out if we kept a gun in the house real quick.

Shut up and heal, you arrogant POS.


23 posted on 07/25/2010 6:30:48 PM PDT by panaxanax (Keep plucking those chickens and boiling that tar. There's a party coming in November!)
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To: DBrow

Yes, the AMA started this. Keep in mind that over 80% of doctors have a negative opinion of the AMA.


24 posted on 07/25/2010 6:33:16 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Suck My AR-16
I'm thinking....it's time...to start answering the question THIS way....."Of course I have a gun. I'm a responsible parent who wants to protect my family from harm. Don't YOU? Do you think the police will be there when someone breaks in? I consider anyone who does not keep a gun to be irresponsible and a bad parent." Then, I'd walk out.
25 posted on 07/25/2010 6:33:47 PM PDT by goodnesswins (DEMOCRATS LOSE.....America WINS!)
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To: justsaynomore

I don’t understand why we follow this silly notion that a. we need a pediatrician, and b. they have any right to give us advise on any thing.

We go to a family doc if and when anyone is sick. There hasn’t been a reason to go in nearly 4 years.


26 posted on 07/25/2010 6:34:28 PM PDT by porter_knorr (John Adams would be arrested for his thoughts on tyrants today!)
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To: NY Attitude

And these are the records that the govt will have electronic access to...

Back door registration lists...

I suspect she will have little if any recourse...the AMA and CDC have been pushing this for some time...


27 posted on 07/25/2010 6:35:01 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Carley
-- This is very common. Pediatricians across the country are asking this question. --

It's one of several "standard" questions. I lie, and the kids know to, as well. It's a big joke with us.

As for a doctor choosing to dump a patient over refusal to answer, I'd file a formal complaint with the licensing board. It's a non-medical question, you have no obligation to answer (and indeed, a false answer does not affect a course of treatment), so the doctor lacks sound basis for terminating the health care relationship.

It's unfortunate, but in general, a patient should not presume a doctor is trustworthy. Doctors have as much or more power to have a person incarcerated as police do; and can also initiate removal of a child from the home. Be guarded in your conversations.

28 posted on 07/25/2010 6:35:01 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: US Navy Vet

How much training? Four years of college, four years of Medical School, internship, residency.


29 posted on 07/25/2010 6:35:21 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: Suck My AR-16
My niece is a pediatric nurse and she says that the American Academy of Pediatrics started recommending that pediatricians ask the question some time ago.Also,I wouldn't be at all surprised if there's been one or more court judgments/settlements involving a kid harmed by a firearm whose pediatrician failed to ask about guns and,thus,was “negligent”.
30 posted on 07/25/2010 6:35:46 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (''I don't regret setting bombs,I feel we didn't do enough.'' ->Bill Ayers,Hussein's mentor,9/11/01)
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To: Carley

Thank you very much for the research. This is the core strength of FR.


31 posted on 07/25/2010 6:36:18 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: celtic gal

Right. But you would have no grounds upon which to bring legal action.


32 posted on 07/25/2010 6:36:41 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Crim

and the only thing is that we have to wait until our friendly JBT comes calling.


33 posted on 07/25/2010 6:36:41 PM PDT by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: Suck My AR-16
I would ask, "Are you a child molester?" "Why were particularly attracted to treating just children?

If s/he gets insulted, tell him/her they insulted you by playing attorney and questioning your 2nd amendment rights.

Or, just do like a democrat, and lie.
34 posted on 07/25/2010 6:37:09 PM PDT by FrankR (It doesn't matter what they call us, only what we answer to....)
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To: blam

On what grounds? I would think the doctor can ask what he wants and you don’t have to go there. Just wondering.


35 posted on 07/25/2010 6:37:12 PM PDT by svcw (Real faith is always increased by opposition, false confidence is damaged & discouraged by it)
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To: Suck My AR-16

Pediatric groups these days are run by socialist thugs.


36 posted on 07/25/2010 6:37:16 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: Rebelbase

Why don’t these people just mind their own f’n business?


37 posted on 07/25/2010 6:37:36 PM PDT by donhunt (Where does this totalitarian ashwipe get off telling me I can't chose for myself?)
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To: chicken head

That’s what I would’ve done—I would’ve asked if howitzers, mortars, and mines count.


38 posted on 07/25/2010 6:39:25 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Suck My AR-16
This has gone one for years. The American Association of Pediatrics has been pushing this for years.

About fifteen years ago a physician handed me a list with those questions on it. I got a large marker and wrote "None of your damned business" across the entire page and handed it back to him.

He didn't have to advise me to find another physician. I cancelled our appointment that afternoon and told him why.

39 posted on 07/25/2010 6:39:52 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: FreedomPoster; Beckwith
"I want to let parents know that there could be consequences if you refuse to answer a question that you feel is private," she said. "Now my children have to suffer because of this and that's not right.">>>>>>>>>>>>> That is where its headed, and thats why the questions are being recommended by pediatric professional oversight groups in each state.It has nothing to do much with keeping children safe, which is a parents responsibility, not the physicians, nor the states. It has to do wih gun control, and forcing people who have guns to get rid of them if they want Obama public health care, which soon will be the only option for most families.

Like the doctor says, he has a list of all the families who haveguns that they will later have to get rid of or be uninsured.

Don't you just love fascism? ( sarc.)

And so the population will become disarmed if it wants health care.

And like those living under totalitarian regimes around the world,Americans have to learn to lie.

40 posted on 07/25/2010 6:40:16 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes.......is fascist... ..He meets every diagnostic of history.)
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To: Suck My AR-16; All

This is like the 1970’s where the leftist doctors were anti-nuke and would not shut up about their personal anti-nuke views.

Doctors are now slaves of the state.
They should dutifly shut up as good property of the state.


41 posted on 07/25/2010 6:40:40 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Suck My AR-16

Can we assume the only issue of contention was her refusal to answer the gun question?


42 posted on 07/25/2010 6:41:01 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: FreedomPoster; bmwcyle

The outrage over the question is way overdue. I have been asked whether or not their are firearms in my house at my daughters well-kid visits since she was 3 years old (she’s now 14). How you choose to answer, is entirely up to you.

I understand the “child safety” side of the issue the pediatricians’ office is trying to address, but this could be used in the future to confiscate firearms from the home when our medical records are no longer as private as they are now. Soon they may become something the federal government is very interested in.

The beauty of the free market system that we still have is that the doctor is allowed to ask them to go to another office, and the patients’ mother is free to decline to answer. So far there is still a bright side.


43 posted on 07/25/2010 6:41:36 PM PDT by Apple Blossom (Politicians are like diapers, they both need changed regularly, and for the same reason.)
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To: Crim

Bingo.

The check-box with the yes selected will go into a ‘special’ list in an unnamed part of a building, which will then be reported to..........

Of course, you could always say, “Well, yes. But you aren’t asking whether it’s a real gun or a water gun or a spray gun or a toy gun or a picture of a gun.” Let’s be specific. Is said gun of a certain dimension? Is it usable? For what? Is said gun part of a collection? Of what brand? Of what is it composed?......Etc.”

It’s the little things.


44 posted on 07/25/2010 6:41:49 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: US Navy Vet
Pediatrician by in large are POSs. What type of “training” does it take to be a “pediatrician”?

Pediatricians,just like brain surgeons,heart surgeons and all other physicians,go through 4 years of medical school,a year of "internship" and at least a year or two of additional training.Some specialties require many years of "post graduate training"...I think heart surgery is something like 8 years...and others require only a few. General pediatrics,I think, might be one of the latter.

45 posted on 07/25/2010 6:42:15 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (''I don't regret setting bombs,I feel we didn't do enough.'' ->Bill Ayers,Hussein's mentor,9/11/01)
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To: Suck My AR-16

Any professional board you want to complain to, is likely to be on the side of the nosy pediatrician.
You can also be reported to CPS, right quick, for getting huffy as if you have something to hide. So be prepared for consequences when you object to gun questions and private doctor-patient inquisitions where you are cordially requested to leave the room.
I’m just the messenger, FRiends.


46 posted on 07/25/2010 6:42:45 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (668, neighbor of the beast, is tagline enough)
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To: FreedomPoster; Beckwith
"I want to let parents know that there could be consequences if you refuse to answer a question that you feel is private," she said. "Now my children have to suffer because of this and that's not right.">>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thats the way fascism works. The left want to use health reasons to introduce medically based gun control using statistical analysis, and put gun owners outside the coverage of public option Obama Care,if the insured has a gun at home.

That is where its headed, and thats why the questions are being recommended by pediatric professional oversight groups in each state.It has nothing to do much with keeping children safe, which is a parents responsibility, not the physicians, nor the states. It has to do wih gun control, and forcing people who have guns to get rid of them if they want Obama public health care, which soon will be the only option for most families.

Like the doctor says, he has a list of all the families who have guns ( about half of them he questioned) and they will later have to get rid of or be uninsured. Thats why he has the list and the question will be on the Obama Care Coverage forms that doctors will fill out.

Don't you just love fascism? ( sarc.)

And so the population will become disarmed if it wants health care.

And like those living under totalitarian regimes around the world,Americans have to learn to lie.

47 posted on 07/25/2010 6:43:44 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes.......is fascist... ..He meets every diagnostic of history.)
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To: blam
Sue the SOB.....

There are no grounds, legal or moral, to sue the doctor. Just find another doctor (which is what this family is doing). And warn other people about the doctor if you want, to make things uncomfortable for him and reduce his clientele. But ultimately he has a right to conduct his medical practice as he wishes, and to reject patients if he wishes. Likewise, patients have a right to reject him for his intrusive questions.

48 posted on 07/25/2010 6:44:41 PM PDT by dpwiener
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To: US Navy Vet

Oh I don’t know it might take a few years of school. I would expect the pediatricians that got my daughter well are the exception to your rule.


49 posted on 07/25/2010 6:45:04 PM PDT by Bruinator (God is Great.... Beer is good.... Muzzies are.........?)
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To: Suck My AR-16

If his facility receives one dime of government funding, he has no business telling patients they can’t obtain services there. PERIOD.

And every health facility does get government funds.

She should get herself a good lawyer and retire.

Next time Sparky starts thinking about invading his patient’s privacy, he’ll think twice, if he’s still employed.


50 posted on 07/25/2010 6:45:09 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Latest most accurate Az Poll to date, of 14 likely voters: McCain 137%, Hayworth -37% (+/- 92%))
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