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Red vs. blue family in black and white
The Washington Times ^ | July 25, 2010 | Cheryl Wetzstein

Posted on 07/26/2010 5:22:55 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Young parents Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston may have gotten engaged again recently, but they are still a quintessential "red" family trying to swim against the tide of family change, say two family law professors who have launched a debate about "red" and "blue" American families.

The 2004 and 2008 elections showed a divided America — and that division extends even to families, Naomi Cahn and June Carbone write in their book, "Red Families v. Blue Families: Legal Polarization and the Creation of Culture."

In blue states, families tend to be well-educated, have high-paying jobs, be tolerant of diversity and be politically liberal. They marry later in life, have children in wedlock and are dedicated co-parents.

President Obama and first lady Michelle Obama are good examples of this "blue" paradigm, Ms. Cahn, who teaches at George Washington University, and Ms. Carbone, who teaches at the University of Missouri, said at a recent event at the New America Foundation think tank.

Red-state families, however, seem to be stuck in a time warp — they tend to be more strict in their religious beliefs and aspire to abstinence until marriage and marriage for life. But they often fall short of these goals: Red states have high rates of teen births, young ("shotgun") marriages and divorce. Red-state families are also less likely to be college graduates, get top jobs or create households where husbands and wives share equally in parenting and chores.

This shows that "blue" families have adjusted to the evolution of America's family culture, while "red" families have not, Ms. Cahn and Ms. Carbone said.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; bluefamilies; bluestates; bristolpalin; children; contraception; families; family; junecarbone; levijohnston; naomicahn; redfamilies; redstates; religion; sarahpalin

1 posted on 07/26/2010 5:22:56 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Those naughty red state hicks! Actually trying to make a go of marriage and keeping the kids, rather than living blithely together and skipping off to the nearest abortuary if there is a “whoops.”


2 posted on 07/26/2010 5:28:06 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
In blue states

That is the fatal flaw in the argument. Here in "blue state" Michigan, less than 10 of our 83 counties are consistent democrat strongholds with another half dozen flipping back and forth from one election to the next.
3 posted on 07/26/2010 5:28:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: All

They got it backwards as to red and blue families.

The Obamas are an example?
Obama was raised and mentored by Muslims, communists and America haters. He’s a Marxist/Muslim alien usurper.
He hates everything America stands for- as does big MO.


4 posted on 07/26/2010 5:30:13 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

BUT and I MEAN BUT, the “red state families” are the MAJORITY of families.


5 posted on 07/26/2010 5:30:51 AM PDT by Biggirl (AZ Is DOING THE JOB The Feds Should Be Doing, ENFORCING The Southern Border! =^..^=)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Well, according to this, my wife and I fit the “blue” family model, but we’re both conservatives...(married later in life, kids in wedlock, etc)...


6 posted on 07/26/2010 5:33:03 AM PDT by RockinRight (Outrage does not make the law.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“In blue states, families tend to be well-educated, have high-paying jobs, be tolerant of diversity and be politically liberal. They marry later in life, have children in wedlock and are dedicated co-parents.”

Huh, so all of those teen moms in the ghetto and on welfare and the government dole are actually conservatives and vote for pubbies. Never knew that. What an illuminating study...</sarcasm>


7 posted on 07/26/2010 5:34:45 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
This shows that "blue" families have adjusted to the evolution of America's family cultureto socialism and marxism, while "red" families have not...

Fixed it. IOW "red" families are smart enough not to fall for the BIG LIE! It does appear the "blue" families would be better off to stay away from the institutes of higher learning since this is the best they can do!

8 posted on 07/26/2010 5:37:08 AM PDT by southernsunshine
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Oh, I see. Blue state family - perfect in every way, no problems. Red state families - all white redneck cracker trailer park trash.

No stereotyping in this article! Snort.

9 posted on 07/26/2010 5:38:35 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (If healthcare reform is passed, 41 years old will be the new 65 YO.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The elites love to posit that liberals are successful and conservatives are unsuccessful ... ‘Blue states’ are blue because they have millions who are dependent upon the government, and that’s not a success story.


10 posted on 07/26/2010 5:38:43 AM PDT by rightwriter
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Yup...that’s why Baltimoreans [both the quick and the dead] consistently votes [R].

Oh...wait...never mind.


11 posted on 07/26/2010 5:40:51 AM PDT by Salamander (FReeper Women Rock....'cause that's how we roll.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
In blue states, families tend to be well-educated, have high-paying jobs, be tolerant of diversity...marry later in life, have children in wedlock and are dedicated co-parents.

Does this also apply to the massive underclass in blue cities? Have these authors looked at their graduation rates? Unemployment rates and patterns of employment? Close-minded, reflexive self-segregation and bloc-vote for the Democrat Party? Out-of-wedlock birth rate? Rate of single-parent or no-parent households? Or is this underclass being transferred to the red column to fit into the authors' preconceptions?

Article is a hot, steaming load of BS.

12 posted on 07/26/2010 5:41:26 AM PDT by Emile ("Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored." -- A. Huxley)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

> In blue states, families tend to be well-educated, have
> high-paying jobs, be tolerant of diversity and be
> politically liberal. They marry later in life, have
> children in wedlock and are dedicated co-parents.

This was satire, right?

The only people I know that fit that mold are a relatively small percentage of suburbanites. This small percentage of busybody collectivist elitists exert a political power far out of proportion to their numbers, because of their busybody, holier-than-thou, we-know-what’s-best-for-you political activism.

The “red” voters in these areas are far more tolerant than their “blue” neighbors, willing to live-and-let-live and to mind their own business, and are therefore less politically active.

However, the overwhelming preponderance of “blue” voters is concentrated among the inner city “monorities”. They have out-of-wedlock birth rate approaching 80%, with similar high school dropout rates!

As soon as the “red” voters, the “hoi poloi”, exhibit any political activism, their “blue” neighbors denounce them as ignorant, intolerant, bigoted throwbacks.

That’s the “tolerance” expressed by the “blues” and their smarmy leadership.

They are a study in hypocrisy and cynicism.


13 posted on 07/26/2010 5:41:52 AM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Bulldikes...

http://cas.umkc.edu/wgs/faculty-staff/profiles/carbone.shtml

http://www.law.gwu.edu/Faculty/profile.aspx?id=1706

No way a man who isnt drunk out of his mind would touch these scags...


14 posted on 07/26/2010 5:45:52 AM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: RockinRight

i saw this in my law school alma mater magazine this past weekend [one of the authors is a GW law prof] and i was outraged at the condescension. My husband and i are both lawyers, married at ages 29 and 31, have 3 coddled teen/young adult kids all of whom are tomato red. these people cannot see beyond their own preconceived ideas.


15 posted on 07/26/2010 5:46:41 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Crim

Damn! I went ahead and looked. What is seen cannot be unseen.


16 posted on 07/26/2010 5:46:57 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Michelle Obama: the woman who ended "Diners, Drive-ins and Dives.")
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To: xsmommy

They are prototypical feminazis...

Ugly
Educated
Disgruntled
Manless


17 posted on 07/26/2010 5:48:21 AM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Westbrook

And the “blues” will be in for a BIG SURPRISE come November 2nd when the same “reds” go to the polls.


18 posted on 07/26/2010 5:50:20 AM PDT by Biggirl (AZ Is DOING THE JOB The Feds Should Be Doing, ENFORCING The Southern Border! =^..^=)
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To: Crim

they had a pic in the GW law alumni mag, accompanying the article, so i was aware of their hideousness, LOL!


19 posted on 07/26/2010 5:53:13 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I live in an extreme red/blue family:

1) Gay left wing, anti Christian cousin
2) militant Anti-gun cousin
3) pro choice liberal Aunt who teaches at a Christian school
4) ultra feminist mom—ironically she’s very PRO-LIFE
5) GOP supporting, Roman Catholic retired military dad
6) 25 years on welfare sister
7) single mother, democrat voting sister
8) social justice seeking democrat cousin
9) blue dog conservative WW2 veteran Grandfather
10) Ron Paul supporting uncle
11) hard core conservative,pro military step siblings
12) spaced out heroin addict cousin
13) ‘Communism would work if we had the right leaders in charge’-cousin.
14) Traditional Conservative step mother worn out from family bickering
15) Alcoholic,racist step father who hates blacks and queers as much as lefties

Yeah, family gatherings with this motley group occur about as frequent as a conservative thought passes thru Barrack Obama’s brain.


20 posted on 07/26/2010 5:53:52 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Tell me this isnt irony:

University of Missouri-Kansas City
204 Haag Hall
5100 Rockhill Road
Kansas City, MO 64110

BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


21 posted on 07/26/2010 5:53:59 AM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim

The good thing is that the comments to the article in the Wash Times pretty uniformly call it out as a load of crap.


22 posted on 07/26/2010 5:53:59 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

Oh yeah....it’s total crap....but the libtards will love it and foist it up as “proof” of their moral superiourity...


23 posted on 07/26/2010 5:57:10 AM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I think Cahn and Carbone have been watching too many movies.


24 posted on 07/26/2010 5:59:04 AM PDT by babyfreep
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"[I]f you want to find two-parent families with stable marriages and coddled kids, your best bet is to bypass Sarah Palin country and to go Nancy Pelosi territory," scholar Jonathan Rauch wrote in National Journal magazine.

Unfortunately, both "parents" in this scenario are of the same gender.

25 posted on 07/26/2010 6:05:59 AM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
In blue states, families tend to be well-educated, have high-paying jobs, be tolerant of diversity and be politically liberal. They marry later in life, have children in wedlock and are dedicated co-parents.

This is sheer bunk. How many families in inner city Detroit, Cleveland, Newark, LA, Chicago, etc. fit that description? And how "red" are they?
26 posted on 07/26/2010 6:08:00 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Forcing one person to pay for the irresponsibility of another is NOT social justice.)
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No stereotyping in this article! Snort.

What would you expect from a study performed by 2 single women who have never spent a day in the real world?

Career academics, like actors and rock stars, shouldn't be taken seriously.
27 posted on 07/26/2010 6:08:16 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (In last year's nests, there are no birds this year.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
This shows that "blue" families have adjusted to the evolution of America's family culture, while "red" families have not, Ms. Cahn and Ms. Carbone said

As the "blue" families have largely created the "evolution of America's family culture" its hardly surprising they have adjusted to it more.

28 posted on 07/26/2010 6:24:17 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is laughable.

I will bet you the highest incidences of divorce, illegitimacy, crime, spousal/child/drug/alcohol abuse are not just higher in blue state families but outrageously high among blue state CONSTITUENCIES


29 posted on 07/26/2010 7:29:00 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: A_Former_Democrat

This is a orwellian propagana meme piece:

Republican not smart
Democrat smart

never mind reality of
Democrat lazy welfare moocher
Republican self reliant


30 posted on 07/26/2010 8:33:32 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

How elitist of these “ladies.” Wonder if they set out in an unbiased way and came to this conclusion . . .or set out to “prove” their conclusion beforehand???

Take one look at this law professor’s (Carbone) CV and you can see leftist education and writings. “Feminism” “partners/partnerships” “unmarried” etc. used alot in speeches and publications.

And take another look at her photo (I suggest you don’t, instead take my word for it) and well . . . you get the picture.


31 posted on 07/26/2010 11:36:14 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Crim

Those remind me of Bluto’s reaction when the Delt rush chairman flashed the slide of Flounder’s mug on the frat house basement wall


32 posted on 07/26/2010 11:39:28 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: A_Former_Democrat

I saw both their photos. Too bad I didn’t have a bottle of brain bleach on hand.


33 posted on 07/26/2010 11:56:26 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Michelle Obama: the woman who ended "Diners, Drive-ins and Dives.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“The urban public law school with a small liberal arts feel”

What a slogan. LOL Carbone is just another “diversity” hire who can’t get a real job in the real world.

All she can do is try to justify her own low self-esteem with this condescending “blue families are better” when the reality is just the opposite. Just follow the money Professor. There’s a big reason why the reds build it and the blues follow, whether it’s neighborhoods, schools, shopping districts. Actions speak louder than words.


34 posted on 07/26/2010 11:57:38 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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