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Oliver Stone Controversy (Offers What Seems An Apology for Comments About Jews)
NYT Media Decoder ^ | July 26, 2010 | Brookes Barnes

Posted on 07/27/2010 12:39:41 AM PDT by lbryce

Oliver Stone found himself the catalyst of an online brush fire on Monday after he made comments published in The Sunday Times of London that were interpreted as anti-Semitic. In an interview with The Times to promote his documentary “South of the Border,” which is about South American politics, Mr. Stone defended Hitler. “Hitler was a Frankenstein, but there was also a Dr. Frankenstein,” he said. “German industrialists, the Americans and the British. He had a lot of support. Hitler did far more damage to the Russians than the Jewish people.”

Mr. Stone then proceeded to discuss what he called “the Jewish domination of the media,” adding with an expletive that Israel had messed up “United States foreign policy for years.” Bloggers quickly picked up on the comments, and the American Jewish Committee issued a news release condemning him. “By invoking this grotesque, toxic stereotype, Oliver Stone has outed himself as an anti-Semite,” the committee’s executive director, David Harris, said in the release. Mr. Stone, whose next Hollywood movie, “Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps,” will be released by 20th Century Fox on Sept. 24, has stirred controversy with his comments in this arena before.

In January the director told a gathering of television critics that “Hitler is an easy scapegoat” while discussing his Showtime nonfiction mini-series, “Secret History of America.” At that time the Simon Wiesenthal Center harshly rebuked him for the remarks.

(Excerpt) Read more at mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antisemite; antisemitism; gibson; hitler; jews; mediacontrol; melgibson; oliverstone; sntisenite; stone
On Monday afternoon, Mr. Stone released this statement: “In trying to make a broader historical point about the range of atrocities the Germans committed against many people, I made a clumsy association about the Holocaust, for which I am sorry and I regret. Jews obviously do not control media or any other industry. The fact that the Holocaust is still a very important, vivid and current matter today is, in fact, a great credit to the very hard work of a broad coalition of people committed to the remembrance of this atrocity – and it was an atrocity.”

He was quoted off the record as saying he was advised by friends, colleagues that if he wanted to continue doing busines in Hollywood, getting his name on TV and in the papers, he best not F**K with the Jews. [/sarc]

1 posted on 07/27/2010 12:39:43 AM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce; SJackson; Salem

Oh. Well, that’s all right, then.


2 posted on 07/27/2010 12:51:18 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: lbryce
Hitler did far more damage to the Russians than the Jewish people
 
 
Realllllleee?
 
Let's see:
 
26 million lost souls for the Russians, who had a population of some 165 million, which equates to 15%, give or take, and yet there were still some 138 million litttle bears left.
 
And on to the Jews:
 
Uhm, out of an effected population of some 8.5 million, there where about 5.6 million people, husbands, mothers and their children MURDERED.
 
That's 60+%%% of innocents wiped off the face of the earth!
 
Frickin Bozo.
 
I will never watch another film, by an Achmenutjob sympathizer, EVER AGAIN.
 
Real clever, you are....Simian
 
(My  apologies to monkeys)

3 posted on 07/27/2010 1:03:40 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Slings and Arrows; lbryce; SJackson; Salem
He had a lot of support. Hitler did far more damage to the Russians than the Jewish people.

Leaving aside the accuracy of the statement (which is laughable on it's face), Russia was Hitler's ally and helped him build his war machine! (until June 22, 1941)

Oliver, don't tell me the Jews forced Stalin to cozy up to Hitler? The Russians nurtured the scorpion, they don't have a lot to complain about.

By the way, how many Russian soldiers were killed by the Wehrmacht and how many were killed by their own country? The latter number was not insignificant.

4 posted on 07/27/2010 1:04:11 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Vendome

He and Mel Gibson would make a fine couple..


5 posted on 07/27/2010 1:06:44 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: lbryce

I’m not surprised at this at all.

When I see his support for Chavez, why wouldn’t he support Hitler? In many ways Chavez is closer to Hitler than any other dictator alive today.

The shutdown of the media, the propaganda, the cult of personality, the national socialism of businesses - very similar.


6 posted on 07/27/2010 1:11:38 AM PDT by I still care (I believe in the universality of freedom -George Bush, asked if he regrets going to war.)
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To: lbryce
There were plenty of industrialists, eugenicists, international bankers, etc. who were happy to support and do business with Hitler.

Maybe that was the point of what Stone was trying to say, but he has done too many drugs to get that across.

7 posted on 07/27/2010 1:20:31 AM PDT by ikka
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To: ikka
Stone talks of history has given Hitler a raw deal, that Mr. Scickelgruber was a better man than what he got credit for. How dare Stone talk of history, lamenting how it egregiously maligned a man as complex and multi-dimensional as Hitler, I can just imagine his Hitler bio tagline "Hitler: He's More than Just Merely About Gassing Jews "

He purports himself being a man of history but shows a shocking lack of knowledge about why the Holocaust was uniquely Jewish.

When he talks of the +30 million Russians killed by Hitler, he's grumbling as to why the Holocaust with its 6 million Jews killed gets all of history's credit, attention, sympathy, when the Russians with its +30 million dead don't get nearly as much press. By lamenting about it he shows his emphatic ignorance of history, yet at the same time claiming history having given Mr. Hitler a raw deal.

8 posted on 07/27/2010 1:51:02 AM PDT by lbryce (Obama Notwithstanding, America's Best Days Are Yet To Be .)
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To: ikka

...”but he has done too many drugs to get that across”...

More and more, I am coming to believe that this may be one of America’s major problems in the higher echelons of our society...There is just way too much boldness and “couldn’t care less” out there.


9 posted on 07/27/2010 1:52:51 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: lbryce

He’s loony. I wish I had the money he puts into Grecian Formula.


10 posted on 07/27/2010 1:56:32 AM PDT by 4buttons
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To: lbryce

Stone bloviating. Again.


11 posted on 07/27/2010 2:12:16 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Vendome

If I’m not mistaken the Gypsies were impacted similarly to the Jews by Hitler, although one seldom hears of it.


12 posted on 07/27/2010 2:16:49 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: nickcarraway

The more things change, the more they stay the same, as Russia nurtures the twin scorpions of Iran’s Mullahs and Pakistan’s Secret Police.


13 posted on 07/27/2010 2:31:16 AM PDT by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi!)
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To: The Duke
Holocaust Encyclopedia:Leni Riefenstahl

Leni Riefenstahl (Helene Riefenstahl) was a German dancer, actress, and film director best known for her imposing propaganda films in support of the National Socialist (Nazi) Party.....

....After the war Riefenstahl attempted to separate herself from the criminal nature of the Nazi regime, suggesting her duty was to her craft and not necessarily to the Nazi authorities who commissioned her films. In what she and others would later claim was an effort to eschew further propaganda efforts, Riefenstahl had begun filming Tiefland (Lowlands) in 1940.

A story set in the Spanish Pyrenees, Tiefland was a project that she had earlier shelved when persuaded by a determined Hitler to undertake Triumph of the Will. Shot on location near Kitzbühl, Austria, the filming dragged out over nearly four years. In order to enhance the story's “gypsy” flavor, Riefenstahl aides arranged to “borrow” some 51 young Roma prisoners from the nearby labor camp at Maxglan-Leopoldskron as extras. For the indoor scenes, filmed in Berlin-Babelsberg in 1942, Riefenstahl used as extras at least 66 Roma and Sinti inmates, virtually all males, from the Berlin-Marzahn camp for Gypsies .Allegations that the German Criminal Police returned the Roma, after fulfilling their “obligation,” to the Maxglan and Marzahn Gypsy camps (Zigeunerlager) and later deported them to their deaths at Auschwitz, were serious enough to involve Riefenstahl in a civil suit. That suit was dropped in 2002 only after her production company retracted a public statement Riefenstahl had made in which she claimed that all of the extras had survived the war. Tiefland premiered in 1954, eight years after French authorities occupying the Tyrol arrested Riefenstahl and confiscated her film materials, in January 1946.

14 posted on 07/27/2010 2:43:58 AM PDT by lbryce (Obama Notwithstanding, America's Best Days Are Yet To Be .)
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"...In trying to make a broader historical point..."

Unbelievable. What a tool. You can hear him trying to sound like an intellectual. Just reading it, you can almost hear his voice drop and become deeper as he makes this idiotic clarification.

So, Hitler killed more Russians than he did Jews, and that is somehow a mitigating factor?

What is his dumb ass excuse for his heroes Stalin and Mao, who murdered millions more of their own citizens than Hitler did of theirs?

I can't stand even seeing this guy's name, he is such a leftist moron.

15 posted on 07/27/2010 3:03:26 AM PDT by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: lbryce

Oliver Stone is just one face in the huge collage of “Democrats who bitterly hate”.

Importantly, Democrats are very aware that they are filled with this terrible, burning hatred and desire to hurt others, coupled with deep, neurotic feelings of inferiority and victimization.

To see Democrats writhe and anguish, remind them of this fact. Then top it all off by telling them that they will never get rid of their pain by hurting others, only by changing themselves.

They will be so angry at that point, all they will be able to say are obscene curses directed at you. The truth hurts.


16 posted on 07/27/2010 4:30:50 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: lbryce
Sure, Oliver North may have calmed down a bit on the issue, but his next big cinematic release will be something along the lines of "Hitler: Not such a bad guy after all..."

Isn't he producing a documentary on chavez right now? I guessing that one will be titled "The Hugable Hugo"...

17 posted on 07/27/2010 4:56:56 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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18 posted on 07/27/2010 5:26:32 AM PDT by SJackson (most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it, M Sanger)
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To: lbryce

His (Jewish) Dad must be spinning in his grave.


19 posted on 07/27/2010 10:22:50 AM PDT by Melissa 24 (I Brake For Epiphanies)
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Hey! Maybe he was just mad at his dad.


20 posted on 07/27/2010 10:45:47 AM PDT by TiaS
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To: lbryce

Perhaps he will remake “They Saved Hitler’s Brain”.


21 posted on 07/27/2010 11:16:21 AM PDT by AJFavish (www.allanfavish.com)
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"Oh. Well, that’s all right, then."

Not surprising, with the other intermittent noxious belches emanating from the massive, plugged septic tank which is Hollywood and the entertainment industry.

His apology being the political theater it is, the only thing he'll ever understand, and all the others like him, is if their movies go down in flames in the marketplace. Remember this the next time a Stone film comes out.














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Time for an oliver stone urinal mat.


23 posted on 07/27/2010 9:46:08 PM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: lbryce
I'll never understand this obsession the left has with 'Jews controlling the media' given the mainstream media's obvious biases against the Israeli State. What an absurd association to make. One would assume the media would be rabidly pro-Israel if Stone's and the Leftists' assertions were in fact true.

The left is truly delusional in every sense of the word, but then we all know that already.

24 posted on 07/28/2010 7:24:36 AM PDT by Catholic Canadian
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Oliver doesn't get it that it's not just about the sheer numbers (between) 6 (and 11) Million Jews VS 30 Million Russians, but the Russians weren't targeted for “being of a certain race, creed, or religion”, Hitler wasn't going to eradicate the “Russian race” is there's such a race...
25 posted on 07/28/2010 10:24:46 AM PDT by PRePublic
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