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Scientists say soot a key factor in warming
SF Chron ^ | 7/28/10

Posted on 07/28/2010 10:31:13 AM PDT by Bulwinkle

The evidence of mounting pollution by carbon particles in soot has been inadequately counted in international government debates over policies to cope with the warming problem, according to Stanford's Mark Z. Jacobson, leader of the university's Atmosphere and Energy program and a professor of civil and environmental engineering.....

And because soot absorbs sunlight as it falls on ice and snow and radiates back to Earth from clouds and layers of the atmosphere, it is the major reason for rapidly melting sea ice in the Arctic region, he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: globalwarming; soot
If you are not familiar with soot as an issue, here's an older piece:

...even at concentrations below five parts per billion—such dark carbon triggers melting, and may be responsible for as much as 94 percent of Arctic warming.

"Impurities cause the snow to darken and absorb more sunlight," says Charlie Zender, a climate physicist at the University of California, Irvine. "A surprisingly large temperature response is caused by a surprisingly small amount of impurities in snow in polar regions." ....,snip.... http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=impure-as-the-driven-snow

1 posted on 07/28/2010 10:31:15 AM PDT by Bulwinkle
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To: Bulwinkle

Filed under: Bad Science-fiction


2 posted on 07/28/2010 10:33:17 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Bulwinkle; sully777; vigl; Cagey; Abathar; A. Patriot; B Knotts; getsoutalive; muleskinner; ...

Rest In Peace, old friend, your work is finished.....

If you want ON or OFF the DIESEL ”KnOcK” LIST just FReepmail me.....

This is a fairly HIGH VOLUME ping list on some days.....

3 posted on 07/28/2010 10:33:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: Bulwinkle

Thank heaven all that soot is causing growth of Antarctic ice at the same time.


4 posted on 07/28/2010 10:33:28 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Bulwinkle

BULL$HIT! Scientist = Quack. You can’t believe anything these so-called scientists say. Next year the same guy will be saying soot is causing global cooling.


5 posted on 07/28/2010 10:37:37 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: Bulwinkle
And if you want to know where the soot comes from, most of these dots on this chart, derived from sat data, is from charcoal fires or land clearing in turd world countries. Note the amazon jungle is on fire as the turd worldlers burn it to the ground.

And here you thought it was your SUVs. Silly you.

6 posted on 07/28/2010 10:37:44 AM PDT by Tarpon (Obama-Speak ... the fusion of sophistry and Newspeak. It's not a gift, it's just lies.)
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To: Bulwinkle

Bull****!

LLS


7 posted on 07/28/2010 10:38:30 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer ( WOLVERINES!)
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To: Bulwinkle
professor of civil and environmental engineering.....

Stick to what you know Professor and stay out of fields, like climatology, that you apparently know nothing about.

8 posted on 07/28/2010 10:38:30 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: Bulwinkle
Remember this from 1975?

The Cooling World
Newsweek, April 28, 1975

[excerpt]

Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve. But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere are even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of introducing the variables of climatic uncertainty into economic projections of future food supplies. The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality.

The Cooling World:
http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

Original Newsweek article with scary maps and graphs:
http://denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf

9 posted on 07/28/2010 10:43:22 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: agere_contra

The key culprit in any cvooling or warming is the sun. Good luck having any control over it.

I think if there has been any warming - it is probably due to the clean air act. Air pollution has decreased in some areas. Cloudy skiees, cooler weather - clear skies warmer.

Less air pollution - warmer weather.


10 posted on 07/28/2010 10:43:23 AM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: Bulwinkle

They can have my barbecue pit when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

Colonel, USAFR


11 posted on 07/28/2010 10:45:19 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: pabianice

“Filed under: Bad Science-fiction”

Scientists are jumping the global warming ship right and left. Evidently the SF Chron has its head so far up its arse it doesn’t realize the lack of credibility of glbal warming these days.


12 posted on 07/28/2010 10:47:52 AM PDT by hoe_cake ( Society of the Descendents of the Signers of the Constitution)
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To: Bulwinkle; markomalley; Dr. Bogus Pachysandra; Nipfan; rdl6989; Tunehead54; Clive; Little Bill; ...
Mr. Sun is feeling so unappreciated.

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

13 posted on 07/28/2010 10:49:33 AM PDT by steelyourfaith ("Release the Second Chakra !!!!!!!" ... Al Gore, 10/24/06)
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To: Bulwinkle
Most “scientists” are bottle washers and button sorters.

Lazarus Long

14 posted on 07/28/2010 10:51:55 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: Bulwinkle

Let me see: Global Warming.
The sun has a better correlation than CO2.
La Nina has a better correlation than CO2.
El Nino has a better correlation than CO2.
The orbit path of the Moon has a better correlation than CO2.
PDO has a better correlation than CO2.
And now soot has a better correlation than CO2.


15 posted on 07/28/2010 10:54:37 AM PDT by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: Bulwinkle

Well that’s funny, there were more fireplaces going during the little ice age, weren’t there?


16 posted on 07/28/2010 10:57:20 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Bulwinkle

Obviously, we need to cap and trade soot. /sarc


17 posted on 07/28/2010 11:17:20 AM PDT by drangundsturm
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To: agere_contra

LOL! Given the “Climegate fraud” email and fake data expose’, these people continue to demonstrate how big of fools they really are.


18 posted on 07/28/2010 11:21:57 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: Tarpon

I remember when I was a kid, Canada didn’t bother messing around fighting tundra fires unless they approached towns or habitats. I don’t know what their policies are today.


19 posted on 07/28/2010 11:25:40 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Remember, guys, the enemy is to the left and the middle.)
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To: Bulwinkle

cow farts

carbon gas

de-forestation

too many humans

now, soot

what next?


20 posted on 07/28/2010 11:26:20 AM PDT by dasboot (Down: up. Up: down.)
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To: Bulwinkle

Soot is man made. Man made global warming has been debunked.

And these folks call themselves scientists?


21 posted on 07/28/2010 11:32:27 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Latest most accurate Az Poll to date, of 14 likely voters: McCain 137%, Hayworth -37% (+/- 92%))
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To: faucetman

“Next year the same guy will be saying soot is causing global cooling.”

They have already said that. The soot supposedly causes global dimming. I’m not making that up!

Check this ‘documentary’ out.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2058273530743771382#


22 posted on 07/28/2010 11:34:02 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Bulwinkle

If soot causes global warming then why doesn’t volcanic ash heat us up instead of cooling us down?


23 posted on 07/28/2010 11:35:32 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: B4Ranch

Most of the fires these days, except for the wildfires, according to the site, are agricultural or charcoal manufacturing. They have near burned all the trees in Africa and the Amazon trying to keep warm and eat.

Odd we never hear about that.


24 posted on 07/28/2010 11:39:37 AM PDT by Tarpon (Obama-Speak ... the fusion of sophistry and Newspeak. It's not a gift, it's just lies.)
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To: faucetman
BULL$HIT! Scientist = Quack. You can’t believe anything these so-called scientists say. Next year the same guy will be saying soot is causing global cooling.

Back in 1976 they were saying exactly that, that the earth was in danger of a new ice age from soot blotting out the sun.

25 posted on 07/28/2010 11:57:33 AM PDT by Spirochete (Just say NO to RINOs)
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To: Red Badger

Yep, this is nothing compared to Caterpillar or John Deere, just ask this scientist.

26 posted on 07/28/2010 12:06:53 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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I hate to rain on anybody's parade, but the ice extent in both the Arctic and Antarctic aren't doing what Al Gore says they are. Don't listen to media people, go straight to the data and look at it for yourselves. As Glenn Beck says, "Go to original sources, read, and form your own conclusions":

Sea Ice Data

27 posted on 07/28/2010 12:08:17 PM PDT by CanaGuy (Go Harper!)
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To: Bulwinkle

I can remember back in the 70’s, soot caused global cooling because it would block the sunlight.

There have been peddlers of doom for all of time.


28 posted on 07/28/2010 12:11:24 PM PDT by IamConservative (You older gentleman ever sit on your testicles? WOW, that hurts!!)
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To: dasboot

I can't wait to see the environuts come to the Midwest and start protesting these, I would enjoy watching the response they get...

29 posted on 07/28/2010 12:11:28 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Abathar

We need to install these in all the world's volcanoes ASAP............

30 posted on 07/28/2010 12:13:58 PM PDT by Red Badger (No, Obama's not the Antichrist. But he does have him in his MY FAVES.............)
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To: MNJohnnie
professor of ... environmental engineering.....

We have a couple of them at the other end of my state who made the news.

They built a custom solar enegry Green House.

Since they had Basketweaving doctorates, they forgot about the Sun's declination changing with the seasons...

And had to murder dozens of trees because in Fall or Winter, their SOLAR PANELS were in the shade.

At least it got into the papers.

31 posted on 07/28/2010 12:38:03 PM PDT by Gorzaloon (CNN:AP:etc:Today, President Obama's stool was firm and well-formed. One end was slightly pointed. ")
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To: Bulwinkle
may be responsible for as much as 94 percent of Arctic warming

Prove it, otherwise stuff it.

32 posted on 07/28/2010 2:59:55 PM PDT by SteamShovel (UTOPIA...Isn't)
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