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Video: University makes diploma contingent on supporting gay rights
Hotair ^ | 07/28/2010 | Ed Morrisey

Posted on 07/28/2010 2:19:00 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

CNN has an interesting roundtable on the case of Jennifer Keeton, who has sued Augusta State University to keep from getting expelled for not repudiating her statements about homosexuality. Keeton expressed her biblical perspective on the subject in and out of class while working toward a degree in counseling, and the school mandated a “remediation plan” that appears to have required her to renounce her Christian doctrine in order to gain a diploma from the school. The school has responded that a bias against homosexuality would disqualify Keeton from certification, a position that would put most Christians in Keeton’s position.

Does this amount to a “thought police”? A religious test for education? Or does Keeton’s lack of diversity appreciation really make her unqualified for a degree and career in counseling?


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1 posted on 07/28/2010 2:19:07 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Ed Morrisey adds :

It sounds to me like the ACA wants a “don’t ask, don’t tell” rule for religion. That runs square into the First Amendment, especially for a state-run school. The ACA’s idea of who comes first doesn’t get to trump the restriction on freedom of religious exercise. If clients get off-put by Keeton’s approach to counseling, they can look for another counselor. Now, the ACA can decide not to certify her; as a private organization, they have that prerogative. If they do that explicitly based on her religious belief, however, they may have a problem with that in court, especially as it will block Keeton’s ability to make a living.

The state-run school has no such leeway. They cannot impose a religious test for graduation, no matter how they dress it up.


2 posted on 07/28/2010 2:20:16 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Ask these same communists how they would feel about a loyalty oath to these United States and our Constitutional form of government.


3 posted on 07/28/2010 2:20:49 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: a fool in paradise

their way or the highway. Enough!


4 posted on 07/28/2010 2:21:17 PM PDT by cubreporter ( Trust Rush and you won't go wrong.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Secular humanism is a religion and the liberal advocates are requiring that the masses join.


5 posted on 07/28/2010 2:22:51 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe some Moslems should enroll and make their positions clear on the subject.


6 posted on 07/28/2010 2:23:36 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think, in very extreme cases, religious beliefs could (and should) prevent someone from being certified for a given profession. For example, you would not want a practicing MD who believes ONLY in the power of prayer to heal and will not prescribe medicine. That being said, I don’t think that condition applies in this case.


7 posted on 07/28/2010 2:29:07 PM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks SandF, I heard the president of some national counselors assoc on the radio today talk about this issue, and all I could think of was:

In almost all cases, the Muslim religion is more restrictive, has clearer lack of tolerance in this regard, and openly rejects homosexuality.

Are openly Muslim faithful being treated in the same fashion?

Personally I think if you are going to counsel people it would be a plus to have someone that started off with similar ideals, like religious beliefs to establish a rapport. Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindi, or any other would be better served within the faith, as long as the faith was not integral to the problem.

Just my two cents.

DK


8 posted on 07/28/2010 2:30:36 PM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s a tricky situation. If she is going to be a counselor in today’s secular/Godless world, she chose the wrong profession. Applying her Christian beliefs would be inapplicable to a secular humanist. Imagine visiting a wahabbi counselor. I guess for someone like her, the answer is that she should be a counselor in a Christian setting only. She probably should have attended a Christian school.


9 posted on 07/28/2010 2:31:03 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: SeekAndFind

“The school has responded that a bias against homosexuality would disqualify Keeton from certification...”

Unless she is going to do Pastoral Counseling, she doesn’t want to work in that field anyway...she will be unable to find work...


10 posted on 07/28/2010 2:33:07 PM PDT by jessduntno (Each day, I await a fresh insult to America by this usurper...he never fails to deliver.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The University is looking into some promising new "remediation" technology:


11 posted on 07/28/2010 2:34:24 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SeekAndFind
This story continues to speak to the 'incredible' by those who continue to defend the University's position.

It is of course; a 'natural progression' per politcal correctness stretching into advanced thought policing.

So what next? Will we be required to have chips placed in our brains at birth to guarantee conformity - or just the 'old' salt mine MO if we have not learned the 'lessons' by the time we graduate. . .

12 posted on 07/28/2010 2:35:24 PM PDT by cricket ( flies don't lie. . .message sent to the man who would be King.. . .)
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To: Sans-Culotte

It’s possible that she decided to take the fight to the secular humanists.

And if she sues their asses off, that’s cool with me :0)


13 posted on 07/28/2010 2:36:41 PM PDT by agere_contra
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To: SeekAndFind

WTF!

We have decided to become a nation against all that is right.

Forgive me Lord!
Forgive us Father...


14 posted on 07/28/2010 2:38:31 PM PDT by Herbster
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To: SeekAndFind

How is this not un-constitutional? This is a STATE University; not a private university. Does she know the material? Yes, or no.


15 posted on 07/28/2010 2:42:05 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Keeton expressed her biblical perspective on the subject in and out of class while working toward a degree in counseling, and the school mandated a “remediation plan” that appears to have required her to renounce her Christian doctrine in order to gain a diploma from the school.

The "takeover" of the universities by homosexual activists is complete. I was told in the 1980s by a prominent university official who happened to be homosexual, that the schools then were already laced with homosexual administrators. Doesn't everybody know that? Not sure that anyone cares, especially in Massachusetts.

It is nationwide. The activists are bold and overpowering because the Obama Administration supports their positions.

Our country seems to be where Germany was politically in connection with public displays of homosexual behavior, at the beginning of the Third Reich. IMO this administration is following a similar path.

16 posted on 07/28/2010 2:53:36 PM PDT by olezip
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To: SeekAndFind

Why go to university? Normal people are not welcome. If you’re a White Christian/Jew you are not desired (but your money is)


17 posted on 07/28/2010 2:59:32 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism: severe deterioration of the thinking apparattus)
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To: rbg81

We are not talking about all religious cults—we are talking about the Christian religion which has embedded in it the principles of Natural Law by St. Thomas Aquinas which made it compatible with the constitution of America. All offshoots of Catholic doctrine are not necessarily aligned with Natural Law, although many are.

This country was based on the fundamental principles of Natural Law and God’s Laws, so we can not venture from those ideals unless we dump the whole meaning of the Constitution.

Islam is not compatible with our constitution because it has never been aligned with reason and the fundamental principles of nature.


18 posted on 07/28/2010 3:00:27 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: SeekAndFind

It seems to me that this intellectually challenged academic institution ignores that the heart of anti-bigotry is not more bigotry; that the heart of anti-bigotry is tolerance and the heart of tolerance, in the hands of government, is to be (for the government to be) an agnostic in such cases, which means neither an advocate against (”gay”) nor an advocate for.

Apparently the college thinks it can be bigoted towards devout Christians.


19 posted on 07/28/2010 3:09:22 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: cubreporter

Meanwhile the Chinese graduate one engineer/scientist after another.


20 posted on 07/28/2010 3:12:42 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Why shouldn’t the “consumer” of counseling be able to make the choice? Ask the counselor what his/her perspective is on homosexuality. If you agree, commence the counseling relationship; if you disagree, keep shopping.

That’ generally the way it works ewith a counselor anyway, isn’t it? If you don’t agree with the counselor’s style or values, you go elsewhere.

Some counselees would — and some, of course, wouldn’t -— actively seek out a counselor who is willing to consider that homosexuality might be part of the problem, not part of the solution.


21 posted on 07/28/2010 3:13:39 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("It is our choices, far more than our abilities, that show us what we truly are. " -- J.K.Rowling)
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To: SeekAndFind

Actually, the Univeristy should lose it’s accreditation for violating the 1st Amendment free speech and freedom of religion protections. Oh...and it’s federal funding too...


22 posted on 07/28/2010 3:15:20 PM PDT by G Larry (Democrats: expediting the Destruction of America, before they lose power...)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is a complete takeover of universities by leftist identity politics. A somewhat similar situation exists at the University of Minnesota School of Education. It is established “political doctrine” at that school that in public schools, “persons of color” have the deck stacked against them to the point where it is impossible for a student who is a “person of color” to achieve. Any student at the “School of Education” who does not concur with that doctrine is not welcome.


23 posted on 07/28/2010 3:16:44 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (FUBO! I salute you with the soles of my shoes!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Why would any Christian attend such a school, knowing this? It is tantamount to endorsing homosexuality. Not only would a degree from there not amount to much, it would mean that you placed the degree before your religious principles.

In good conscience, every practicing Christian should immediately withdraw from that university. Maybe there are enough cowards and atheists to fund it.

24 posted on 07/28/2010 3:18:11 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s hard to believe that a state university in Georgia would be trying to enforce such a disgusting policy.


25 posted on 07/28/2010 3:33:41 PM PDT by snowsislander (In this election year, please ask your candidates if they support repeal of the 1968 GCA.)
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To: savagesusie
. . . we are talking about the Christian religion which has embedded in it the principles of Natural Law by St. Thomas Aquinas. . . .

Imagine a picture of a bunny with a pancake on top of its head.

26 posted on 07/28/2010 3:47:34 PM PDT by naturalized
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To: rbg81
For example, you would not want a practicing MD who believes ONLY in the power of prayer to heal and will not prescribe medicine.

IIt would be very hard for such a person to get through his internship, unless of course his method had a high success rate, so such a person is not likely to become a practicing MD.

A Christian, a sinner herself as we all are, is not supposed to counsel sinners?? That is what Christianity is all about, spreading the gospel through deed and word. A Christian is more likely to be a good counsellor for gays than another gay person would be.

This is all about the Left's effort to stamp out opposition, especially Christianity because Jesus competes with the state and the party for allegiance. For the Left to succeed Marxism must the accepted religion and no opposition is allowed.

The Constitution?? Old news!! We must move on!!

27 posted on 07/28/2010 4:20:34 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Niuhuru
Meanwhile the Chinese graduate one engineer/scientist after another.

What is Confucius' position on homosexuality? I guess that no longer matters, so what is the Communist Party's position on homosexuality, for themselves rather than for those they are trying to destroy?

28 posted on 07/28/2010 4:30:57 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: IronJack

If she has a student loan will it be forgiven?


29 posted on 07/28/2010 4:33:42 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: naturalized
The highest manifestation of life consists in this: that a being governs its own actions. A thing which is always subject to the direction of another is somewhat of a dead thing.

Saint Thomas Aquinas

I really am too busy to imagine bunnies and pancakes although my brother had his cat swipe one the other day and gobble up a pancake.

30 posted on 07/28/2010 5:22:15 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: Dr. Sivana
"Maybe some Moslems should enroll and make their positions clear on the subject."

The moslem religion sanctions lying to the infidel. They can go along to get along and still be firm in their beliefs.

31 posted on 07/28/2010 5:27:13 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: colorado tanker

Horrorshow!


32 posted on 07/29/2010 3:58:26 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: Niuhuru

Isn’t it the truth? The Dumbing down of America. I hope this country wakes up or will soon be awake. We are a great country. It’s the politicians destroying it. The ones who work for us and who should be doing everything in their power to keep us moving along to improve our greatness in the fields of science and medicine etc. Instead..they are trying to chip away little by little in the hopes we crumble. We COULD but we WON’T.
Remember November. Throw the bums out. Get out there and vote America and don’t let anyone intimidate you. Get to those polls rain, snow, sleet, ice...whatever. You are fighting for the very soul of our country and if we don’t step up to the plate it will be LOST.
If our men and women can fight in far away places and have to deal in squalor and sleep in holes and be away from their families and be subjected to criticisms and protestors....then WE THE PEOPLE can fight this war wihtin ourselves by voting every single one of the jerks out.


33 posted on 07/30/2010 6:24:09 AM PDT by cubreporter ( Trust Rush and you won't go wrong.)
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