Skip to comments.Video: University makes diploma contingent on supporting gay rights
Posted on 07/28/2010 2:19:00 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
CNN has an interesting roundtable on the case of Jennifer Keeton, who has sued Augusta State University to keep from getting expelled for not repudiating her statements about homosexuality. Keeton expressed her biblical perspective on the subject in and out of class while working toward a degree in counseling, and the school mandated a “remediation plan” that appears to have required her to renounce her Christian doctrine in order to gain a diploma from the school. The school has responded that a bias against homosexuality would disqualify Keeton from certification, a position that would put most Christians in Keeton’s position.
Does this amount to a “thought police”? A religious test for education? Or does Keeton’s lack of diversity appreciation really make her unqualified for a degree and career in counseling?
Ed Morrisey adds :
It sounds to me like the ACA wants a dont ask, dont tell rule for religion. That runs square into the First Amendment, especially for a state-run school. The ACAs idea of who comes first doesnt get to trump the restriction on freedom of religious exercise. If clients get off-put by Keetons approach to counseling, they can look for another counselor. Now, the ACA can decide not to certify her; as a private organization, they have that prerogative. If they do that explicitly based on her religious belief, however, they may have a problem with that in court, especially as it will block Keetons ability to make a living.
The state-run school has no such leeway. They cannot impose a religious test for graduation, no matter how they dress it up.
Ask these same communists how they would feel about a loyalty oath to these United States and our Constitutional form of government.
their way or the highway. Enough!
Secular humanism is a religion and the liberal advocates are requiring that the masses join.
Maybe some Moslems should enroll and make their positions clear on the subject.
I think, in very extreme cases, religious beliefs could (and should) prevent someone from being certified for a given profession. For example, you would not want a practicing MD who believes ONLY in the power of prayer to heal and will not prescribe medicine. That being said, I don’t think that condition applies in this case.
Thanks SandF, I heard the president of some national counselors assoc on the radio today talk about this issue, and all I could think of was:
In almost all cases, the Muslim religion is more restrictive, has clearer lack of tolerance in this regard, and openly rejects homosexuality.
Are openly Muslim faithful being treated in the same fashion?
Personally I think if you are going to counsel people it would be a plus to have someone that started off with similar ideals, like religious beliefs to establish a rapport. Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindi, or any other would be better served within the faith, as long as the faith was not integral to the problem.
Just my two cents.
It’s a tricky situation. If she is going to be a counselor in today’s secular/Godless world, she chose the wrong profession. Applying her Christian beliefs would be inapplicable to a secular humanist. Imagine visiting a wahabbi counselor. I guess for someone like her, the answer is that she should be a counselor in a Christian setting only. She probably should have attended a Christian school.
“The school has responded that a bias against homosexuality would disqualify Keeton from certification...”
Unless she is going to do Pastoral Counseling, she doesn’t want to work in that field anyway...she will be unable to find work...
It is of course; a 'natural progression' per politcal correctness stretching into advanced thought policing.
So what next? Will we be required to have chips placed in our brains at birth to guarantee conformity - or just the 'old' salt mine MO if we have not learned the 'lessons' by the time we graduate. . .
It’s possible that she decided to take the fight to the secular humanists.
And if she sues their asses off, that’s cool with me :0)
We have decided to become a nation against all that is right.
Forgive me Lord!
Forgive us Father...
How is this not un-constitutional? This is a STATE University; not a private university. Does she know the material? Yes, or no.
The "takeover" of the universities by homosexual activists is complete. I was told in the 1980s by a prominent university official who happened to be homosexual, that the schools then were already laced with homosexual administrators. Doesn't everybody know that? Not sure that anyone cares, especially in Massachusetts.
It is nationwide. The activists are bold and overpowering because the Obama Administration supports their positions.
Our country seems to be where Germany was politically in connection with public displays of homosexual behavior, at the beginning of the Third Reich. IMO this administration is following a similar path.
Why go to university? Normal people are not welcome. If you’re a White Christian/Jew you are not desired (but your money is)
We are not talking about all religious cults—we are talking about the Christian religion which has embedded in it the principles of Natural Law by St. Thomas Aquinas which made it compatible with the constitution of America. All offshoots of Catholic doctrine are not necessarily aligned with Natural Law, although many are.
This country was based on the fundamental principles of Natural Law and God’s Laws, so we can not venture from those ideals unless we dump the whole meaning of the Constitution.
Islam is not compatible with our constitution because it has never been aligned with reason and the fundamental principles of nature.
It seems to me that this intellectually challenged academic institution ignores that the heart of anti-bigotry is not more bigotry; that the heart of anti-bigotry is tolerance and the heart of tolerance, in the hands of government, is to be (for the government to be) an agnostic in such cases, which means neither an advocate against (”gay”) nor an advocate for.
Apparently the college thinks it can be bigoted towards devout Christians.
Meanwhile the Chinese graduate one engineer/scientist after another.
Why shouldn’t the “consumer” of counseling be able to make the choice? Ask the counselor what his/her perspective is on homosexuality. If you agree, commence the counseling relationship; if you disagree, keep shopping.
That’ generally the way it works ewith a counselor anyway, isn’t it? If you don’t agree with the counselor’s style or values, you go elsewhere.
Some counselees would — and some, of course, wouldn’t -— actively seek out a counselor who is willing to consider that homosexuality might be part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Actually, the Univeristy should lose it’s accreditation for violating the 1st Amendment free speech and freedom of religion protections. Oh...and it’s federal funding too...
This is a complete takeover of universities by leftist identity politics. A somewhat similar situation exists at the University of Minnesota School of Education. It is established “political doctrine” at that school that in public schools, “persons of color” have the deck stacked against them to the point where it is impossible for a student who is a “person of color” to achieve. Any student at the “School of Education” who does not concur with that doctrine is not welcome.
In good conscience, every practicing Christian should immediately withdraw from that university. Maybe there are enough cowards and atheists to fund it.
It’s hard to believe that a state university in Georgia would be trying to enforce such a disgusting policy.
Imagine a picture of a bunny with a pancake on top of its head.
IIt would be very hard for such a person to get through his internship, unless of course his method had a high success rate, so such a person is not likely to become a practicing MD.
A Christian, a sinner herself as we all are, is not supposed to counsel sinners?? That is what Christianity is all about, spreading the gospel through deed and word. A Christian is more likely to be a good counsellor for gays than another gay person would be.
This is all about the Left's effort to stamp out opposition, especially Christianity because Jesus competes with the state and the party for allegiance. For the Left to succeed Marxism must the accepted religion and no opposition is allowed.
The Constitution?? Old news!! We must move on!!
What is Confucius' position on homosexuality? I guess that no longer matters, so what is the Communist Party's position on homosexuality, for themselves rather than for those they are trying to destroy?
If she has a student loan will it be forgiven?
Saint Thomas Aquinas
I really am too busy to imagine bunnies and pancakes although my brother had his cat swipe one the other day and gobble up a pancake.
The moslem religion sanctions lying to the infidel. They can go along to get along and still be firm in their beliefs.
Isn’t it the truth? The Dumbing down of America. I hope this country wakes up or will soon be awake. We are a great country. It’s the politicians destroying it. The ones who work for us and who should be doing everything in their power to keep us moving along to improve our greatness in the fields of science and medicine etc. Instead..they are trying to chip away little by little in the hopes we crumble. We COULD but we WON’T.
Remember November. Throw the bums out. Get out there and vote America and don’t let anyone intimidate you. Get to those polls rain, snow, sleet, ice...whatever. You are fighting for the very soul of our country and if we don’t step up to the plate it will be LOST.
If our men and women can fight in far away places and have to deal in squalor and sleep in holes and be away from their families and be subjected to criticisms and protestors....then WE THE PEOPLE can fight this war wihtin ourselves by voting every single one of the jerks out.