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BP Gulf Oil Spill:Did Firefighters Help Sink the Deepwater Horizon Rig?
ABC News The Blotter ^ | July 28, 2010 | Brain Ross

Posted on 07/28/2010 5:15:25 PM PDT by penelopesire

"In the chaotic aftermath of the explosion on the Deepwater Horizon oil rig, a poorly orchestrated effort to knock down the towering blaze may have inadvertently led to the sinking of the platform, according to interviews and documents obtained by the Center for Public Integrity and shared with ABC News.

As part of an ongoing government investigation, Coast Guard officials are trying to reconstruct the initial response to the rig explosion that unleashed one of the worst environmental disasters in U.S. history. One concern surrounds the use of briny seawater instead of fire-retardant foam to drench the rig. The Coast Guard confirmed that Capt. Hung M. Nguyen, who is heading the investigation, is examining whether the decision to spray salt water across the burning platform overwhelmed the ballasts that kept the rig afloat, changing its weight distribution and causing it to list, and then sink."

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This is what some of our very own and smart FReepers suspected from the get go. I found this of particular interest as well:

"The Coast Guard's official maritime rescue manual – updated just seven months before the BP accident – recommends Coast Guard personnel avoid participating in firefighting aboard a rig. Instead, the manual requires Coast Guard responders to set up an "Incident Command System" and assign an expert, such as a fire marshal, to lead the efforts to extinguish the blaze."

Hmmmmmm...who ordered this change? Was it an Obama appointee? Inquiring minds want to know.

1 posted on 07/28/2010 5:15:27 PM PDT by penelopesire
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To: Nachum; STARWISE; onyx; maggief; hoosiermama; SE Mom

PING to post #1.

7 Months before explosion, the Coast Guard’s official rescue maritime rescue manual was changed. WHY?


2 posted on 07/28/2010 5:19:14 PM PDT by penelopesire (FOX NEWS TRIBAL PRINCESS)
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To: penelopesire

“The Coast Guard’s official maritime rescue manual – updated just seven months before the BP accident...”

No way around this one, lefties...NOT bush’s fault...GASP...


3 posted on 07/28/2010 5:20:32 PM PDT by jessduntno (Each day, I await a fresh insult to America by this usurper...he never fails to deliver.)
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To: penelopesire
Yes they did,, but hind sight is 20-20,,, good Samaritan law comes to mind.

There were people on the burning structure,,firefighters try to put out fires,, I often wonder if the 11 missing are living in the lap of luxrey now with a pay off from ObamaSquad to sink and cause the leak,, I DO NOT TRUST MY GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!

4 posted on 07/28/2010 5:21:37 PM PDT by MrPiper
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To: jessduntno

Lets see now , , , if you put enough water inside the boat it will continue to float. Right. On the other hand, what is the first thing you do not do for a grease/oil fire? I know, I know, you put water on it! Sheesh.


5 posted on 07/28/2010 5:26:06 PM PDT by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate - West FL22nd - JD Hayworth - US Senate)
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To: MrPiper

Nor do I, NOT ONE LITTLE BIT!!!!


6 posted on 07/28/2010 5:32:03 PM PDT by mongo141
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To: penelopesire

is Ross a journolista?

just wondering......


7 posted on 07/28/2010 5:34:42 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: penelopesire

A stupid mistake or capitalize for Cap and Trade?


8 posted on 07/28/2010 5:35:32 PM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: penelopesire
So where were they supposed to get this foam from on such short notice?

(I know where the seawater came from...)


9 posted on 07/28/2010 5:36:53 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: penelopesire; LibLieSlayer; WKB

Ping to Lib Lie Slayer and to WKB


10 posted on 07/28/2010 5:41:55 PM PDT by onyx (Sarah/Michele 2012)
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To: Yo-Yo
Well, if I had spent that much on that rig you know I'd have a built in high pressure foamer ready to douse at a moments notice and/or a nitrogen purger, etc..

Hell, the local greasy spoon down the street has to have one over the grill in case my burger blows up, why not on the rig?

11 posted on 07/28/2010 5:46:31 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: Yo-Yo

Good question. This whole change sounds like typical leftist crap to me(form a committee to study the rig while it’s burning kind of stuff...lol). Instead of being prepared to fight a rig fire, they were instructed to set up a command center? WTH? I would really like to get to the bottom of this little ditty buried in the ABC article. Why was the manual changed? What was it before? Who changed it and why? Has the Coast Guard always been in charge of fighting rig fires until Obama and the morons took office? If so, where was all the equipment? Why didn’t they have firefighting equipment stationed in the gulf or do they? What does the Oil Spill Act say about rig fires? What did it say before Obama and the morons took office? What else have they changed at the Coast Guard that we don’t know about?


12 posted on 07/28/2010 5:57:12 PM PDT by penelopesire (FOX NEWS TRIBAL PRINCESS)
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To: MrPiper

13 posted on 07/28/2010 5:58:31 PM PDT by naturalized
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To: MrPiper

I don’t trust our government either anymore. Obama has had access to the Oil Spill Trust Fund all of this time and yet he hasn’t tapped it to my knowledge. He could have been helping the people on the gulf immediately and hit BP up for payback later..but he didn’t do it. He has this 20 Billion dollar slush fund set up now, yet all of a sudden the money is not getting to the people the way it was before the government took over. THIS WHOLE THING STINKS TO HIGH HEAVEN!

Have they stolen all of that money too?


14 posted on 07/28/2010 6:01:40 PM PDT by penelopesire (FOX NEWS TRIBAL PRINCESS)
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To: penelopesire

Modern rigs have computerized loading and stability software
programs on board, some software is better than others.
Also, these programs have “damage stability” calculation ability to quickly diagnose a “custom” situation such as this and determine what steps to take. TransOcean, owner
of the rig, had this software on the rig and should have had this shoreside at their headquarters ready to run. And there are
experts in Naval Architecture who can advise TransOcean or the USCG what steps to take quickly, knowledge and the beauty of the computer. Did it have to sink, probably not and was that a good thing?
Moving forward a correct version of the loading and damage stability program needs to be on file with the USCG and someone needs to run it on a moments notice.
After BP is hung for their actions the nav/arch damage stability response should be investigated.

deeptrout


15 posted on 07/28/2010 6:30:31 PM PDT by deep trout
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To: penelopesire
This is why Obama fired his original oil spill commission of industry experts and replaced them with a board of hacks including an ex-senator and a National Geographic editor.
16 posted on 07/28/2010 6:36:11 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Excellent point! We really should ‘drill’ down into this little ditty though and find out why the manual was changed and who did it.


17 posted on 07/28/2010 6:39:49 PM PDT by penelopesire (FOX NEWS TRIBAL PRINCESS)
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To: penelopesire

Let’s be glad that the rig didn’t settle on top of the BOP like Ixtox did, which is what pretty much doomed that well from the beginning. Now that Macondo had been shut off, and there is nothing gushing in the GOM any more, the gushing will continue in the blogosphere for years to come...


18 posted on 07/28/2010 6:42:06 PM PDT by Bean Counter
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To: deep trout

“After BP is hung for their actions the nav/arch damage stability response should be investigated.”

Thanks for the info. I’d like to see Obama and his whole administration ‘hung’ for their response to this oil spill as well! It’s been an unmitigated disaster!


19 posted on 07/28/2010 6:42:37 PM PDT by penelopesire (FOX NEWS TRIBAL PRINCESS)
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To: Bean Counter

I’d just like to see Obama and his merry band of marxists and incompetent bureaucrats truly investigated too. So far his response has been a disaster and as usual ‘the ruling class’ never has to answer for their own screw ups. Obama’s commission is a joke! I’ve been watching them on CSPAN and it’s truly pathetic. Not one industry expert on the entire panel. Just a bunch of marxist greenies and progressives that don’t know squat about energy or it’s national security importance.


20 posted on 07/28/2010 6:48:01 PM PDT by penelopesire (FOX NEWS TRIBAL PRINCESS)
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To: penelopesire

Did the Federal Government Cause the BP Oil Spill?

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/07/28/did-the-federal-government-cause-the-bp-oil-spill/

Firefighters Flooded Rig, Caused Oil Spill, Suit Says

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-07-15/firefighters-flooded-rig-caused-oil-spill-suit-says.html


21 posted on 07/28/2010 6:49:04 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: penelopesire

As much as I don’t like B.O., this problem was in effect with the “Valdez”. USCG is not up to the task in a fast moving situation nav/arch wise. They don’t have the nav/arch
horsepower available at a momoents notice, won’t pay for it because they use government purchasing low bid process.
Their software is lowbid, therefore low quality.
They are brave at rescue.
Long and short, the rig did not have to sink I have been told by the best.
deeptrout


22 posted on 07/28/2010 6:51:34 PM PDT by deep trout
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To: mazda77
Lets see now , , , if you put enough water inside the boat it will continue to float. Right. On the other hand, what is the first thing you do not do for a grease/oil fire? I know, I know, you put water on it! Sheesh.

Not putting water on grease fires only applies to kitchens. In the case of shipboard fires, when Aqueous Film Forming Foam(AFFF) is not available, a spray of water is used rather than a solid stream. This deprives the fire of heat causing it to go out.

The reason you do not put water on a kitchen grease fire is that the additional latent heat in the oil will flash the water to steam spreading the flaming grease.

See my tag line.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

23 posted on 07/28/2010 7:05:58 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: penelopesire

And more from the box of...things that make you go hmmmmm....


24 posted on 07/28/2010 8:44:00 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: deep trout
Modern rigs have computerized loading and stability software programs on board, some software is better than others.

Especially when it's not on fire.
25 posted on 07/28/2010 9:06:29 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: MrPiper

It is well that you do not.


26 posted on 07/28/2010 9:20:43 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: deep trout
JUST SO everyone understands.

The Coast Guard did not do the firefighting.The firefighting was done by private contractors hired by BP. The Coast Guard was only there to do search and rescue.

The Rig was going to sink, no matter what. The ballasts, or floats, were damaged and leaking severely. The bilge pumps quit the moment the power went out. The fires and explosions had their toll. It was only a matter of time.

If the firefighters had used foam instead of water, it really wouldn't have made that much difference. This rig is made to stand hurricanes, pouring rain, and high-seas. Water pour on it is like water on a duck.

Here is a picture. These floats are under water the whole time the rig is in place (and not on the deck of a ship). More Water isn't going to do a thing to them. If those floats are compromised though, the rig sinks.


27 posted on 07/29/2010 5:00:12 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: penelopesire

If the rig had not sunk the oil gusher would have been much easier to tame. So the story goes. Did the rig sink due to the firefighting efforts? Remains to be seen


28 posted on 07/29/2010 5:08:02 AM PDT by dennisw (Sarah McLachlan in 2012)
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To: penelopesire
Short video from this morning showing wreckage on the seafloor in the vicinity of the Macondo.

Sea Floor Wreckage

29 posted on 07/29/2010 5:25:24 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: UCANSEE2

Most of that makes perfect sense. One question though. The four support legs..are they hollow or solid? I could see them filling up with water if they were hollow and some breach was made in the explosion. In some of the pictures, the rig looks to be listing to one side before it went down hours later.

Thanks for your post.


30 posted on 07/29/2010 6:48:19 AM PDT by penelopesire (FOX NEWS TRIBAL PRINCESS)
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To: justa-hairyape

Thanks for the link.


31 posted on 07/29/2010 6:53:34 AM PDT by penelopesire (FOX NEWS TRIBAL PRINCESS)
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To: MrPiper

Sorry, sir.... there were NOT people on the burning structure when the CG got there with the fire boats. They were long gone by then. CG didn’t know what they were doing, and they alone sunk the DH through inept response and dumping millions of gallons of dead weight onto the deck and everywhere else.


32 posted on 07/29/2010 7:36:51 AM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: penelopesire
The four support legs..are they hollow or solid?

Hollow, more or less. Hoses, lines, cables, etc. run through them. But they are designed to vent the water from the top deck, back to the ocean.

I believe that is what you can see on one of the legs. A large grilled vent.

33 posted on 07/29/2010 7:37:38 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: AFPhys
Sorry, sir.... there were NOT people on the burning structure when the CG got there with the fire boats. They were long gone by then. CG didn’t know what they were doing, and they alone sunk the DH through inept response and dumping millions of gallons of dead weight onto the deck and everywhere else.

I hate to tell you this, sir, but you are completely wrong.

The COAST GUARD did not do the firefighting.

It's even stated as such in the ARTICLE. Maybe you should give it a look.

34 posted on 07/29/2010 7:40:26 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2

Thank you for your much more accurate post. I must modify my previous post to reflect that the excessive flooding of DH shortened the time of it sinking. However, that shortening may well have been very severe due to mismanagement of the fire response.


35 posted on 07/29/2010 7:44:28 AM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: UCANSEE2

The grill doesn’t look low enough in the structure to drain all of the water. It may be more for access and heat and/or gas escape.

It would appear that some of the concern is over the salt in the water as well. I wonder why? I would surmise that salt water is heavier than foam, but not sure.


36 posted on 07/29/2010 7:46:51 AM PDT by penelopesire (FOX NEWS TRIBAL PRINCESS)
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To: penelopesire
the rig looks to be listing to one side before it went down hours later.

One of the floats was damaged by something during the explosions. Jagged pieces of steel would be shot like bullets in all directions.

Remember, it wasn't just the oil, it was also the fuel in tanks for the generators, and barrels of fuel stored to use in the generators, and any other gas or diesel powered motor.

Once it was on fire good, there was no power, so bilge pumps were not operating.

It became just a matter of time before the rig listed over and sank.

37 posted on 07/29/2010 7:47:31 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2

So the living quarters...are they on other platforms connected to the rig? That doesn’t look big enough to house the workers. As you can tell, I don’t know much about rigs etc.


38 posted on 07/29/2010 7:51:01 AM PDT by penelopesire (FOX NEWS TRIBAL PRINCESS)
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To: penelopesire
Here's another view, in the water.


39 posted on 07/29/2010 7:52:03 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: penelopesire
As you can tell, I don’t know much about rigs etc.

Neither do most people in the United States, or on here.

Everything I know, I learned since the Rig sank.

I just have more time to look things up and read than most.

40 posted on 07/29/2010 7:55:47 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: AFPhys
You are welcome. I still don't think the firefighting 'action' had anything to do with the rig sinking. It was doomed by leaks in the flotation chambers, caused by explosions on the rig, possible in the flotation chamber itself. We don't know what types of motors and engines they might have down there for use as bilge pumps, for instance.

Or it could have been the original explosion of oil and gas the ruptured the floats. A sudden shock wave from an explosion, and the evacuation of water from under the float, then water crashing back in to replace the water displaced.

They design some torpedoes to detonate below a ship, never touching it, because the shock wave and water displacement breaks the keel of the ship.

41 posted on 07/29/2010 8:03:35 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2

I’d still like to know why the Coast Guard rig fire response manual was changed 7 months before the explosion. The article read like this was a new directive(for the CG not to fight the fires themselves). If this was something new,it would appear that someone did this without enough planning for such a shift in response,command and control...leaving a leadership and response vacuum during a real time event. Just a thought.


42 posted on 07/29/2010 8:45:00 AM PDT by penelopesire (FOX NEWS TRIBAL PRINCESS)
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To: UCANSEE2

This floating drilling unit has pontoons and columns that, when flooded with seawater, cause the pontoons to submerge to a predetermined depth. It sits low with a large part of its structure under water. Those pontoons are departmentalized , it is not one large pontoon.

If you notice from that pic they are connected to each other, this allows listing to be corrected. All floating rigs can be manually controled, they dont need electricity. If you look at the pic, those grates you see can very well be under water, they often sink it lower in bad weather even to point those grates may be submerged, it lowers its profile and gale force winds have less impact on low structures.

Last the area directly above the grates is a redundant pontoon, it can not be filled with water by the control system or manually. Those four redundant pontoons are capable of keeping the rig on the surface even if the main pontoons are completely filled. Also those pontoons can not be flooded with fire hoses. Damaged in the explosion? highly unlikely if consider those primary pontoons were 60 to 130 feet under water, that much water makes a very good ballistic barrier to flying debri.

The fire fighters action played no role in the rig sinking, no amount of water dumped on it would have any noticible effect.

Seems more likely they are looking for an escape goat to point at. I dont know why it sank, but an explosion damaging it to the point it sank is highly unlikely. Automated fire systems are independant of the electrical grid, they have battery and in most cases pheumatic safe guards that in an emergency close ballast ports. Unless those systems were disabled, and that would have to be done on purpose I see no way it could sink.

I’m not one to yell government did it on purpose but I see no other viable option than to think it was sank and not from an explosion.


43 posted on 07/29/2010 1:31:17 PM PDT by kronic
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To: penelopesire

So the spill IS Obama’s fault!! Now, we have an obligation to pay back BP for their generous outlays.


44 posted on 07/29/2010 7:19:48 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: 2harddrive

BP is liable for the spill..period. Obama and his administration are partly liable for the unmitigated disaster and response imho. Obama is also responsible for the moratorium that is killing jobs. Of course...Obama will pay for nothing..he will rob us all blind to pay up. Our government is suppose to be sitting on an Oil Spill Trust Fund paid for by the oil companies for decades. I’d like to know where that money is and see a full accounting of it.


45 posted on 07/29/2010 7:40:08 PM PDT by penelopesire (FOX NEWS TRIBAL PRINCESS)
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To: penelopesire

Ladies and Gentlemen: The CORRECT answer is for a 2nd Constitutional Convention to be held...we only need 1 or 2 more states to agree...and for that august body to then DISSOLVE the United States of America! With that dead carcass out of the way, the delegates could then form a NEW government, one that is of, by, and for the PEOPLE!


46 posted on 07/29/2010 7:42:56 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: UCANSEE2

LOL -

I wrote my post #35, and didn’t look back at the thread. Just saw your post #34 and #41. I realized as soon as I saw your excellent observations that my early post with absolutes needed to be modified.

You need to modify your thinking a bit too, it seems. The reason that underwater explosives’ shock damage (mines, torpedoes, etc.) are so powerfully destructive is the almost incompressible nature of water. The shock of the explosion is very efficiently transmitted with little attenuation. The explosions on the Deepwater Horizon platform due to the methane, etc., would not have much effect on the pontoons and other underwater structures as the shock would have been transmitted through air and damped by the water surrounding the structures. (The effects of evacuation of the water by the explosion is a separate issue and clearly not applicable to DH.)

It seems that the major fault here that was not addressed (in addition to over-flooding of the deck of DH) is the failure to make attempts to power up the bilge pumps in the pontoons and other flotation areas with some type of auxiliary power.


47 posted on 07/30/2010 11:53:58 AM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: AFPhys
I realized as soon as I saw your excellent observations that my early post with absolutes needed to be modified.

Happens to the best of us.

You need to modify your thinking a bit too, it seems.

Why can't I be like everyone else and just stubbornly cling to the concept that I know more than everyone else in the world? Then I wouldn't have to change anything.

I did discuss the possibility that the explosion and fire from the well itself damaged the pontoons, but it is not very likely, so I agree with you there.

HOWEVER, what I said first is the the fires and explosions from the small engine equipment and the fuel containers for those engines/generators were initially suspected of having damaged the pontoons. IIRC, the BP staff was completely aware that ONE of the Pontoons had sustained damage, and was filling with water, right after the initial blowout. They have monitors which tell them what the water level is inside the pontoon. Plus, the whole rig tilting every so slowly sideways, like the leaning tower of PISA, was a dead giveaway.

It seems that the major fault here that was not addressed (in addition to over-flooding of the deck of DH)

I have posted the pictures of the rig. Everything I can gather about the rig tells me this. It is impossible to OVER-FLOOD the DECK of the rig. The water just runs off the rig. There is nothing to 'keep' the water 'in place'. This rig is designed to be left out in the middle of the ocean during intense thunderstorms, heavy rain, and hurricanes. It could rain for 40 days and 40 nights on the rig, and it wouldn't 'hold' the water. The ONLY THINGS that can RETAIN water are the PONTOONS, and they are 'sealed' off so water from ABOVE or BELOW doesn't get in (although they leak a little. Every waterborne craft leaks slightly. That's why someone invented the bilge pump.).

The ONLY way the rig can sink is by the pontoons filling with water. The only way that happens is that they suffer some physical damage and start letting water in (maybe from above and below).

.... is the failure to make attempts to power up the bilge pumps in the pontoons and other flotation areas with some type of auxiliary power.

We do not know whether the bilge pump or pumps were even working after the original explosion and fire. It seems like one of them might have be operating, but the one in the other pontoon appeared NOT to be working. Again, the tilting the rig indicated a 'leak' and a pump failure.

Since it has been sitting almost a mile under the water, no one knows for SURE yet what happened to the pump, and to the pontoon.

Your idea 'sounds' good, but unless you are SUPERMAN, I don't think you have a chance at walking onto a RIG, which is ON FIRE, and carrying some cables, or a remote power generator , climbing down to the pontoon and gaining access to the inside (everything is on fire). Then you would have to hold your breath for 30 minutes or so while you swam, in the dark, under water, to hook up some electrical cables.

So, you would need to be 'shock-proof' as well as being able to hold your breath indefinitely.

But, yeah.... other than those minor details, it might have worked.

I know BP would have done anything to save the rig. Since they didn't do as you suggested, I would say they don't have SUPERMAN on their employment roster.

48 posted on 08/01/2010 7:15:59 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: UCANSEE2

I have enjoyed the banter with you about this.

I’m somewhat mystified myself as to how DH could be flooded sufficiently, but it has been mentioned by analysts who know much more than I do about the rig. You say that is not possible. {{shrug}}

As far as any type of superman type activity, I would contemplate instead some rapid blueprint examination and attempt to run auxiliary power to the bilge pumps from another ship. Running through flames doesn’t seem very promising, but diving in the water under the rig may have been more possible. A ROV? Questions I would first examine is how difficult it is to get to the wiring leading to the bilge pumps... is there a junction box handy subsurface? If not, is wiring located and fastened in a manner that they can be located, drilled toward, and spliced into. Perhaps instead a new bilge pump could be inserted. Perhaps it may be possible instead to drill and place a plug in the pontoons that could be pumped on by one of the CG fire vessels or other pumping vessel. Perhaps attempting such would result in the disaster of DH sinking, though...

Anyway, I was not thinking anything about superman or a super fire walker... but instead a SuperROV or SuperDiver in concert with some SuperEngineers.


49 posted on 08/02/2010 10:52:07 PM PDT by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: AFPhys
I have enjoyed the banter with you about this.

Thank you. The 'banter' is what leads to learning, at least for me.

I’m somewhat mystified myself as to how DH could be flooded sufficiently, but it has been mentioned by analysts who know much more than I do about the rig. You say that is not possible.

I see I need to clarify. I am not saying the RIG could NEVER sink. I am saying that without damage to the pontoons, water pouring on it from above will NEVER cause it to sink.

Have you ever ridden on, or owned a PONTOON BOAT??

50 posted on 08/05/2010 7:13:53 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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