Posted on 07/29/2010 4:54:05 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
Is US ready to recognize China as world power?
15:24, July 29, 2010
The U.S. government has repeatedly made it clear that it would welcome China’s entrance into the world arena as a power. However, a series of issues since the beginning of this year, particularly Washington's stance on the U.S.-South Korean joint military exercises and the South China Sea issue, have made the world think: Is the United States ready to recognize China as a power on the world stage?
It is easier said than done for the United States to adapt itself to China's development. Lip service is far from enough to boost the development of Sino-U.S. relations. If Washington cannot find a way to recognize and accept China's peaceful rise onto the world stage, bilateral ties will be like a roller coaster full of ups and downs. However, no one would like to see the negative effects rocky relations would bring to China, the United States and possibly to the world as a whole.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has urged China to play a greater role in solving the world's economic, environmental and political problems. She said global issues could not be solved by the United States or China alone, but without participation of the two countries, no problems would likely be solved. Washington has realized that the United States’ global interest can be maintained only through changing the way it deals with China.
The Obama administration released positive signals in its relations with China, which have been interpreted as the United States showing its intention to change the traditional strategy of engagement and containment. As a matter of fact, the general direction of Sino-U.S. relations provides a foundation on which the United States can base its foreign policies and is more complicated than an adjustment in real conditions. Issues such as arms sales to Taiwan, Google censorship, RMB exchange rates as well as finger-pointing about economic responsibility show Washington still seems confused and inpatient about relations with China.
The relationship between China and the United States is the most important and complicated bilateral relationship in the world this century. The development of Sino-U.S. relations will affect world peace and stability, especially in the Asia-Pacific region. Ian Bremmer, an American political scientist specializing in U.S. foreign policy, said, "America and China will have more than ever to gain from closer political and commercial ties, and must take steps to avoid a Cold War, or worse."
In that circumstance, the United States needs both wisdom and determination to recognize and accept China, a country that is totally different from its own, as a power on the world stage.
By Zhang Xinyi, People's Daily Online
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I’m not even ready to call China a player. All of the stories declaring China as a world economic powerhouse blow off one fact: all those glowing estimates of China’s economic power are extrapolations. Their economy is the same size Norway. World power? NOT!!!
Yes. But when will they (or Iran or North Korea) recognize us as a world power?
World powers have navies that actively operate global waters....
Anyhow, China is an emerging global power that will inevitably be recognized as such.
China still has to do more things before it is going to be considered a power. I don’t know really, but until they make themselves dispensable in one way or another to the rest of the world, they will not be a power. China has yet to show the ability of its military, which is usually the big indicator as to how much pull China will have.
In feudal China, the stature of a noble was determined by the number of the men he commanded in his own personal forces. If China participates in and succeeds in a military operation, China will become an undeniable force in diplomacy. China is always a consideration, but not yet a substantial force to be reckoned with militarily. They have a huge force, but then, in Tsarist Russia, so did Russia.
Until China is tested and successful, they will be considered in economic terms and maybe diplomacy, but not a force to be reckoned with or respected, without solid proof that their military is capable of succeeding in defense or conquest. If the Chinese were to take to the field in Afghanistan or Iraq and so serious damage to the terrorists, perahps even help end this war and defeat them, China will be a superpower, slightly above the United States.
The US is in a serious decline, yet our politicians worry about the most trivial of things. China is taking her time, not rushing things, and taking care not to let themselves be forced into another ‘great leap forward’ which crippled the country. We don’t know the exact state of their development because they are not open about their military, their government, or their plans for the future. Once China is on solid footing, then China will make its debut in one way or another, likely stunning the world.
And then it will be the turn of the Chinese to dominate things for a couple centuries. And they won’t be politically correct about it. China is on the way, but they won’t let themselves be rushed and they won’t let the West know the details of their progress. What happens in China is China’s business, which I suppose is their mentality.
chicom bump for later.........
China a world power? When the dirt-poor, abused 800 million or so rural citizens get the same respect and opportunities as the 400 million or so city dwellers. Not before.
“Is US ready to recognize China as world power?”
Um, since when didn’t we? They were a charter member of the U.N., and after a period of iciness there was that whole Cold War triangulation Friendly Neighbor Nixon thing. Now they have Most Favored Nation status and frankly every knows how much we suck up to them inbetween subtle tsk-tsks over this or that massive natural rights infringement.
Oh, and let’s not forget how concerned with/scared of their power we were during the Korean and Vietnam wars.
“People’s Daily: Is US ready to recognize China as world power?”
Why would I? When the stupid ChiComms can make a timer that can tell time or a socket wrench that has a tighten and loosen control, I might consider it. Until then, go study which direction is north and get back to me. I’ve dealt with ChiComms and they are some of lowest, most stupid dirtbags that ever crapped on Earth. You could stand a ChiComm on the Soviet border and tell him to fall toward the south to get back into China, and the poor SOB would miss.
On the other hand, Chinese people who escape the “stupid cloud” of Chinese communism are smart people.
Actually, if you look at extrapolations of China's economic growth, say 10 and 20 years ago, you will see that China has exceeded them today. In fact, economists once projected that China will surpass the US as the world's largest economy by 2042. They have been revised several times and the current projection is about 2020.
It was only 10 years ago, that China's economy was less than half the size of Britain, yet twice the size today. And will be larger than Japan for 2010. I read in another article, that while Japan's was larger for 2009, the 4th quarter of 2009, China's was larger.
So, I dunno....current history (last 30 years) seems to indicate todays extrapolation of China will ring true for the future.
Well the average wage seems to be about 3,800 yearly or about 300 a month so that’s not much to squawk about.
China won't likely have much to brag about, on a per capita basis for a couple more decades. But it is increasing. And that is what's important.
$3800/yr is much better than $300/yr (ballpark) back in 1990. So what will be it like in 2030? My guesstimation, is that China's per capita GDP will very likely be higher than countries like Greece and Portugal and potentially higher than Spain and Italy, except on a scale of 1.5 billion people.
And in terms of purchasing power parity, China's is roughly $7000/yr. And when you consider, that in the 1980's, one GM plant produced more autos than all of China, and today, GM now produces more automobiles in China than in the US, the growth is significant. The future potential should not be under estimated.
Both have aspirations for control of the ME oil. As does the Iran and Syria partnership. It will be interesting to see how these whole scenario's play out on the world stage...both China and Russia will for a time coddle to the ME nations but that certainly isn't because they give two cents what happens to them, rather how each uses those nations to advance their ultimate agendas.
She is converting from a WWII syle military to a modern 21st century military with information systems. And really, there isn't anything wrong with that. When you compare 1.5 million to other developed nations, as a percentage of her population, it isn't that big. Russia, with 1/10 of China's population currently has one million active duty personnel.
As far as controlling ME oil, well ... the ME has alot of oil, for sure, but other parts of the world has oil too. Africa, South America, etc. In the end, China is going to get the bulk of her oil from the world as a whole and not just the ME. And it will be done in places like Africa, South America, and even Canada. And yes, the ME. And it will be done through economic business deals, not through brute force. Certainly, China's 1.5 million activie military personnel isn't enough to take on the world's military and grab the world's oil.
China's true heft in the future and influence over other nations, will be her economy.
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