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Should Arizona secede?
WashingtonTimes.com ^ | July 29, 2010 | Jeffrey T. Kuhner

Posted on 07/29/2010 6:34:13 PM PDT by SloopJohnB

Judicial activism is pushing America to the breaking point. This week, a federal judge blocked key provisions of Arizona's immigration law, thwarting the will of the people. The decision was ominous and will reverberate for years to come.

Judge Susan Bolton, appointed by former President Bill Clinton, is a liberal elitist who believes judicial imperialism trumps democracy. Her ruling states that local police cannot check the immigration status of people arrested or stopped for violations of the law. In her view, that would amount to an abuse of civil liberties and unduly burden the federal immigration system. She also stipulated that residents cannot be required to carry proof of legal status.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 1776; aliens; freestateproject; immigration; sb1070; secede; secession; smallgovernment; statesrights; teapartyrebellion; usconstitution; whoisjohngalt
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NRO on 7.7.10 said it best:

"So, we have a Justice Department that drops a case it already won against New Black Panthers who are on tape intimidating voters in blatant violation of federal law, but that sues a sovereign state for enacting a statute in support of immigration enforcement practices that have already been upheld by two of the nation’s highest courts. Perfect."

Now Bolton the black-robed clown in O's three-ring circus.

1 posted on 07/29/2010 6:34:15 PM PDT by SloopJohnB
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To: SloopJohnB

No. The states need to band together and purge the marxist POS and his administration from our midst. Arizona is as American as apple pie. Obama is as American as Fidel Castro.


2 posted on 07/29/2010 6:36:25 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: SloopJohnB

If it does - I’m movin’...


3 posted on 07/29/2010 6:36:25 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: SloopJohnB

Only if they take Texas with them!


4 posted on 07/29/2010 6:36:51 PM PDT by GoCards ("We eat therefore we hunt...")
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To: SloopJohnB

Jan Brewer or someone needs to write the equivelent of the Feb 24 1836 Letter to Americans and the World by William B Travis. Liberty Or Death!


5 posted on 07/29/2010 6:37:46 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: SloopJohnB

“a statute in support of immigration enforcement practices that have already been upheld by two of the nation’s highest courts”

Ah, yes, but federal officials are wise and temperate, whereas state and local officials are racist, hateful, morons.


6 posted on 07/29/2010 6:37:53 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: GoCards

And OK !


7 posted on 07/29/2010 6:39:17 PM PDT by traumer
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To: SloopJohnB

Standing in opposition to those who would run our ever-changing Democracy (for that is what we have become) are those that would conserve the ideals of a truly unique way of life, a Republic, a Representative Republic, such as the one envisioned by the founders of these United States.

Many aspects of our social, and religious-based beliefs and established mores, our basic economic freedoms may possibly induce so much passion on both sides we might end up fighting each other over which path is the one to take...and we will both claim an absolute moral imperative that we will each consider unimpeachable and without doubt the most fundamental cause...the struggle, of course, will be between those that would impose enslavement to a Marxist collective, that see it as an urgent mission that cannot be put off any longer. We have seen the growing cry for socialism in the country brings us to the point where it simply cannot be ignored.

Slave or free?

Socialists will never forgo their dream of the REAL, complete and total solution in which they so fervently believe because some of us believe that the REAL path to freedom is to pursue our destiny as a republic.

I hope this will not amount to anything but a clash between opposing forces of voters, but it seems like so much more and it seems explosive. It is too deep a disagreement, too fundamentally rooted in our belief in a way of life that we each so totally commit to.

I wonder how third Manassas will turn out?


8 posted on 07/29/2010 6:39:44 PM PDT by jessduntno (Each day, I await a fresh insult to America by this usurper...he never fails to deliver.)
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To: pissant

Damn straight.


9 posted on 07/29/2010 6:40:00 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: SloopJohnB

Should Arizona secede? Thats what the anti president would consider a success, the defrocking of America a state at a time. Kinda slow, kinda painful but as Obama maintains, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Just don’t expect the cat to cooperate!


10 posted on 07/29/2010 6:40:35 PM PDT by himno hero
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To: pissant

Agreed. The issue is eventually going to boil into States vs. Federal Government...and my from persepctive, given that some aspects of the Federal Government’s power stems for those powers granted and given by the States, I can foresee some to many States eventually looking to put a serious dent in those granted and given powers.


11 posted on 07/29/2010 6:40:41 PM PDT by cranked
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To: GoCards

As a Texan, I could support that.


12 posted on 07/29/2010 6:41:22 PM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November from my house.)
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To: SloopJohnB

I’m all for state secession. This is what the Founding Fathers intended. Sadly all secessionist dreams were lost after Lincoln. By the looks of it the only solution to preserve its sovereignty would be for Arizona to secede. A secessionist movement is already active in New Hampshire.


13 posted on 07/29/2010 6:41:28 PM PDT by citizenredstater9271
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To: GoCards

The Texas GOP, like Florida, is filled with spineless RINO scum. FL is down to freaks like Crist.


14 posted on 07/29/2010 6:41:32 PM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: SloopJohnB
This will get to the Supreme Court and I believe it will be a victory for Arizona.

No matter how you cut it, it's an invasion by foreigners and states are guaranteed Federal Intervention by our Constitution.

It's not like Arizona is usurping the powers of the Federal Government.

15 posted on 07/29/2010 6:41:54 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: SloopJohnB

Gov. Brewer should withhold all moneies scheduled to be sent to the FEDS. That might get their attention.


16 posted on 07/29/2010 6:42:10 PM PDT by 23 Everest (Zero, Glittering Jewel of Colossal Ignorance.)
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To: SloopJohnB

Secede - Ha!

Secede, then instant ally with a military pact? If not, you know who coming looking for ‘their property’ back...

This “title” is an elementary school trick applied by the author to attract attention to the piece. Shameful.


17 posted on 07/29/2010 6:42:43 PM PDT by Sax
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To: SloopJohnB
Photobucket Nope, first exhaust all legal avenues. Bonehead, partisan decisions like this one come down all the time. I think in the end, even if it has to go as far as the Supreme Court, they will prevail. Never relent.
18 posted on 07/29/2010 6:43:01 PM PDT by xuberalles (The Right Stuff: The Best Anti-Liberal Novelties On The Net ! http://www.zazzle.com/xuberalles)
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To: traumer

I draw the line with Louisiana, though.

They still have a ton of their trash from Katrina smelling up our state.


19 posted on 07/29/2010 6:43:34 PM PDT by Howie66 (I can see November from my house.)
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To: SloopJohnB

Adjoining States would need to establish a border State treaty to protect the “country” of Arizona from foreign aggression.


20 posted on 07/29/2010 6:43:47 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: SloopJohnB

Yes.


21 posted on 07/29/2010 6:43:52 PM PDT by Chickensoup (I am absolutely done. I am a conservative libertarian.)
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To: SloopJohnB

What if all the freedom and liberty loving States secede? What would Bamalamadingdong do then?


22 posted on 07/29/2010 6:45:04 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: GoCards

I agree with that!


23 posted on 07/29/2010 6:45:07 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: SloopJohnB

The Federal government has now solidified my thoughts that it is broken and no longer in need of repair but replacement. Do you think that this is the final proof needed to say that it no longer works ? I do....

When judges simply say that enforcement is best left to the federal branch and that the state level should walk away, that my friends is tyranny. We have it, we now have an obligation to abolish it and reestablish the Republic.


24 posted on 07/29/2010 6:46:22 PM PDT by TheRevolution1776
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To: SloopJohnB

Who do you think she was bought by???


25 posted on 07/29/2010 6:46:34 PM PDT by mongo141
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To: SloopJohnB

The way things are going, Arizona will be annexed by Mexico, along with Southern California.


26 posted on 07/29/2010 6:46:34 PM PDT by TaxPayer2000 (The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government,)
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To: SloopJohnB
Naw... that would be way too radical. The solution
is soooo easy. What the Governor needs to do is just
simply tell Idiot O that Starting August 1st, all federal
tax remittances from Arizona will be made to the Governors
office... and held in Escrow... until Washington wishes to
start speaking English with some element of sense. I do know
that this so called president and congress understand money.
27 posted on 07/29/2010 6:47:26 PM PDT by Razmataz
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To: citizenredstater9271

So who is Arizona going to trade with? They would be completely surrounded and Obama would probably allow the Mexican military and other scumbags have their way with Arizona.


28 posted on 07/29/2010 6:47:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: SloopJohnB
Secede, a big step, I hope other States would follow suit but there are a lot of big talkers and little doers. I don't think any of are sure what will happen but one thing is for sure, Our country is rapidly changing and I do not think for the better. I can see a revolution in our future within the forseeable future. Are we ready for that, are we ready to stand your ground and not back down, it could get nasty.
29 posted on 07/29/2010 6:48:01 PM PDT by JamesA (You don't have to be big to stand tall)
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To: SloopJohnB

Yes.
Followed quickly by Louisiana.
Followed quickly by Texas, Alabama, Mississippi and Florida but our governor is too stupid and has a crush on Zero.

It will do not good to take over Congress. The Federal Regime is too entrenched. Did you notice legislators, especially in States, are no longer needed? Judges rule.


30 posted on 07/29/2010 6:48:30 PM PDT by Conservative9
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To: SloopJohnB

I hope every damn state secedes.


31 posted on 07/29/2010 6:48:34 PM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: TaxPayer2000
The Feds should butt out and let the individual States decide what is best for them. This latest ruling is a travesty of Justice.
32 posted on 07/29/2010 6:48:43 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 ("He will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live only for themselves' Romans 2:8)
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To: All

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33 posted on 07/29/2010 6:50:54 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: SloopJohnB

In the Jewish prayer book one of the blessings in the Shemoneh Esrei (The 18 Blessings) is called Birkat HaDin - the blessing of the restoration of justice. It says the following translated into English.

“Restore our judges as at the early times, and counselors as there once were. Remove our sorrows and troubles: we want You, Lord, to rule over us with kindness and compassion and to justify us in justice. Blessed are You, Lord, the King Who loves righteousness and justice.”


34 posted on 07/29/2010 6:51:13 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: cripplecreek
So who is Arizona going to trade with?

They sell power to Calif.

35 posted on 07/29/2010 6:51:45 PM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: citizenredstater9271

I think simple defiance would be more effective. This would leave the next move up to the feds, who would find themselves mobilizing to arrest and prosecute state officials for illegally enforcing federal law. Anyway you look at it, this thing is going to build.


36 posted on 07/29/2010 6:52:20 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: SloopJohnB

No!...but Kalifornia should!


37 posted on 07/29/2010 6:52:29 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!(FR #1690))
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To: Jack Hydrazine

He will try to be Lincoln and call on Americans to kill their former brothers. The question is how many will answer his call?


38 posted on 07/29/2010 6:53:28 PM PDT by Conservative9
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To: SloopJohnB
The O'Bama Administration is desperate for an established proletariat to compete with the new proletariat that they have created with their economic and political policies.
39 posted on 07/29/2010 6:54:23 PM PDT by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has it limits.)
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To: SloopJohnB

No

And no to hyperbolic questions like this.


40 posted on 07/29/2010 6:57:05 PM PDT by Sto Zvirat
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To: Jack Hydrazine

As a side note relating to judges this is occurring in Israel.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/news.aspx/138836
Shiloh, Israel’s Capital for 400 Years, Being Uncovered
by Gil Ronen

In Shiloh, north of Beit El, excavations are currently being carried out under the auspices of the Archaeological Staff Officer for Judea and Samaria in the IDF Civilian Administration Antiquities Unit and the Binyamin local authority.

Shiloh was where the Holy Sanctuary – precursor to the Holy Temple – stood for about 400 years during the era of the Judges.

It is first mentioned in the Book of Joshua, which also states that the Holy Sanctuary was built there. In the Book of Samuel, Shiloh is mentioned as a religious center, where Elkana and his family go to give sacrifices to G-d. During that pilgrimage, Elkana’s wife, Hana, asks G-d to give her a son – and eventually gives birth to Samuel the Prophet.

Shiloh is believed by researchers to have fallen into ruin after the Israelites’ unsuccessful war with the Philistines, in which the enemy took the Holy Ark captive. The Ark was soon returned to Israel, but was never brought back to Shiloh. Instead, it was taken to Kiryat Yearim until King David had it delivered to Jerusalem.

Archaeological findings indicate that a Jewish presence continued at Shiloh until the year 722 BCE, when the Kingdom of Israel was defeated by Assyria. According to the Book of Judges and the Mishna, unwed Jewish women traditionally went to the vineyards of Shiloh to dance on Tu B’Av.


41 posted on 07/29/2010 6:57:18 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Conservative9

“He will try to be Lincoln and call on Americans to kill their former brothers. The question is how many will answer his call?”

It is ironic that this country would experience an explosive and precipitous Federal Usurpation spearheaded by a tall lanky fellow from IL who seems determined to exploit every crisis and expand the rift in the country that has become more and more charged - into two completely divided camps and that he will do whatever it takes to impose the will of the mostly northern liberal-leaning states on the mostly southern and western conservative states.


42 posted on 07/29/2010 6:58:02 PM PDT by jessduntno (Each day, I await a fresh insult to America by this usurper...he never fails to deliver.)
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To: SloopJohnB
The real problem with Arizona succeeding is the millions of Americans who will want to move there. The state cannot handle that much population.

The threat from illegals will be over, though, cause all those moving in will be bringing their guns.

43 posted on 07/29/2010 6:59:27 PM PDT by Do Be (The heart is smarter than the head.)
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To: SloopJohnB

Arizona should just ignore the ruling. The Governor should tell the Judge, “You made your ruling/injunction now how will you enforce it?” What’s Obama gonna do? Arrest the Governor? Call in the Military? Good luck with that.


44 posted on 07/29/2010 6:59:59 PM PDT by Rudolphus (Tagline? I don't need no steenkin' tagline.)
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To: SloopJohnB
Should Arizona secede?

LOL! The clown prince is just waiting for an excuse to order a "Sherman's March to the Sea" through a series of red states...

45 posted on 07/29/2010 7:00:14 PM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: pissant

Agreed. People who care about this country in all parts of it should work together to get rid of this mess in Washington and change the politics that support it.


46 posted on 07/29/2010 7:00:56 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats = authoritarian socialists)
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To: palmer
They sell power to Calif.

Right up until Obama puts a stop to that.
47 posted on 07/29/2010 7:01:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: SloopJohnB

All the States should secede from Wash DC and start over with a clean slate.


48 posted on 07/29/2010 7:01:30 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: SloopJohnB

If they held Puerto Penasco on the Sea Of Cortez, I would say yes.

Thank God Texas has coastline.


49 posted on 07/29/2010 7:01:30 PM PDT by mylife (Opinions $1 Halfbaked 50c)
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To: popdonnelly

Amen, bro.


50 posted on 07/29/2010 7:01:46 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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