Skip to comments.Should Arizona secede?
Posted on 07/29/2010 6:34:13 PM PDT by SloopJohnB
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Maybe DC should secede(?)
Which is why Rubio was smoking Crist before he went Indy and why Rick Scott will probably knock off McCullum. Whatever!
(Did not Obama himself last year say we(well, U.S.)were broke?)
They could give two sh ts about tax receipts right now...this gang of thieves are nothing more than drug addicts stealing from
their someone elses kids piggy bank...while running up their someone elses credit card...all to fuel their habit.
It makes a Madoff ponzi scheme look like a game of checkers....and nobody gives a damn.
From what I heard on Fox News, LEO’s can still ask for identification just as they were doing before the bill. The bill requires them to ascertain status, but the judge said that might be too overwhelming for the feds, and issued an injunction.
I have been saying for a year, that I think Obama will try to extend his Presidency indefinitely by a Chavez/Zelaya-style "popular vote", 22nd Amendment be damned. We know the game plan:"Let the PEOPLE decide!" "Democracy for ALL!" "Let's make HISTORY!"
If the Progressives succeed in overriding the 22nd, and implement illegal amnesty, then secession SHOULD happen, because the Republic is over.
And just because it failed in the past doesn't mean it will in the future. Otherwise we'd still be under the Roman or British Empire.
If AZ DID secede, I’d move there immediately to get out of Oh Bummer’s Kingdom.
“I dont see Brewer having the guts....”
She seems pretty gutsy to me.
“The only way anybody could break off viably would be for Texas and Utah and all the other states they could take with them to do it.”
There is always a leader, then there are followers. Jan Brewer strikes me as the leader type. Maybe the next Jefferson Davis.
Maybe, but Arizona isn’t the state to start it. It would have to start with Texas and Utah.
Arizona could argue that Bolton and the Federal Government has stripped Arizona of its sovereignty by refusing to respect or defend its borders. By association, Texas, New Mexico and California could make the same case.
If you can’t control your borders, you don’t really have a state. Therefore, the U.S. has seceded from Arizona. I don’t think they will do it, but a compelling case could be made for Arizona, just as it could be made for any border state.
Yup. When Rubio and McCollum spewed their open-border RINO sh*t saying they were against the AZ law - they both dropped in the polls. It was a slam dunk for both of them up until then.
I sure wish we had a Rick Scott choice for Senator instead of Scarface.
“To paraphrase the immortal words of James Pettigru, Arizona is too small to be a country and too large to be an insane asylum.”
It could certainly defend itself against the pantywaists from Kalifornia and Nevada, also Nu Mexico. The people in Mexico itself would be too smart to attempt continued invasions knowing they would be obliterated. All problems solved.
AZ is a great place, just very dry.
Texas is infested with RINOs like Rick Perry, Kay Bailey and Cornyn. Utah is dumping their stinking RINOs. Bennet is toast and Orrin Hatch is next. Gotta love the folks of Utah and AZ (if AZ dumps McShame).
” She is a republican- they talk big and make back room deals.”
“..they?..” Republicans are “they?” Perhaps you ought to move back to Amsterdam, Conservative9, you and we would be better off not to mention happier. Democrats are the back room dealmakers; wait another 14 hours and see how Rangel gets out of his fix.
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“Maybe, but Arizona isnt the state to start it. It would have to start with Texas and Utah.”
Your opinion and mine are equal - I say Arizona can start whatever it wants, the rest can choose to be Obama acolytes or can follow Arizona’s lead.
I bet Conservative 9 watches lots of TV. Idiots cannot connect the dots that TV/networks/cable/libs cut good Repubs off at the knees what they try to do something.
Keep watching ball games folks and nonsesne on TV because TV controls America and they support Obama 110%.
Agree. Arizona should also announce at a press conference that according to the judge they can no longer enforce federal law and will cease to enforce all federal laws immediately.
We have to learn to fight fire with fire.
Let’s start a snow ball!
Washington D.C. should secede.
Secession is illegal.
Very well put. They need to turn out in record numbers at the polls. Also, remind them to bring their cell phone cameras and film any SIEU activity.
It is laughably false that the founders EVER intended secession. In fact, the greatest of the Founders: Washington, Hamilton, Marshall, Madison all believed secession to be impossible under the Constitution.
Not even Jefferson believed it a good idea though his idiotic interpretations of the Constitution led to the RAT Rebellion of 1861.
One could amend the constitution and allow withdrawal but that would be the only way to do it legally.
We can still have a NATO-like association between the Free States and the Fascist States for defense, etc. In the right context, Liberals can support state rights. For example, Vermont can have unlimited sodomy and infanticide, without Oklahoma getting a vote on it.
You shouldn’t give up western canada and New Hampshire to the liberals, though, just my 2!~
It is like we are married a child molester. We need to move our kids to another house, not preserve a corrupt Union where the children are only molested by one parent.
Then there would be no change from the way things stand today.
Civil War II
Where in the Constitution does it say states don’t have the right to secede?
“I wonder how third Manassas will turn out?”
Who will be our Stonewall Jackson?
“Being from Chicago and knowing how things work here I am very worried that one of the conservative supreme court judges is going to have an accident. “
Bingo! I wouldn’t bet a nickel on all five of them surviving until 11/12. They must be scared shitless.
Screw the federal government if they only want to enforce federal laws that will get them reelected to office!!!!!
Kick the freddy’s out of every State in the United States and tell them to find anther stooge to do their bidding for them!
Arizona needs to man up and tell that federal judge they are going to enforce their immigration laws and if the federal government does not like it to send federal troops to Arizona and arrest the governor, and while they are in Arizona to round up the illegals and take them back to D.C. with them to live and mooch off the government!!!
By a back room deal with weepublicans. Sorry, they are doing NOTHING to resist this destruction of our country. You can give them a pass if you want.
Been to Amsterdam, don’t care to live there. Been to Germany, don’t want to be there either. I prefer a free South.
We will see. I hope she does. But to do something like Nullification that would benefit the entire country I don’t see her doing. Republicans have not shown a back bone for bold Constitutional initiatives.
There's a lot more to setting up a country than thumping your chest and thumbing your nose at your neighbors. Will the people in Arizona want to foot the billions it would cost to go it alone?
Democracy is a fairly good system for governing a more or less homogeneous people with shared ideas and values. It was never meant to be a system for sharing power between two or more groups with little or nothing in common at all who basically just hate each other. At that point, and we ARE at that point now, all you have left is a contest to see who can do the better job of gaming the system.
If the dem party can be decisively defeated in this coming election then there might yet be some hope of keeping the country together as it exists. Otherwise we'd probably be better off to split up.
“It could certainly defend itself against the pantywaists from Kalifornia...”
Let’s not get carried away...CA is not just LA and SF...we still got some cowboys...there was a pretty good one from here...name of Ron something...maybe you heard of him? Big memorial to him right up the road from me.
“Secession is illegal”
The British said that it was “illegal” for the American colonies to secede from the empire.
They changed their mind quite readily after getting their a$$es kicked not once, but twice.
What is “legal” is what can be enforced with the strength of arms.
Government decides what is illegal, and they use force to make sure people obey. Government is the entity which has a monopoly on force. That's what government is. That's what law is.
For revolution, civil war, or secession, any discussion of "legality" is simply misplaced. Either you are strong enough to get your way or you are not. There's nothing more to be said.
And the “issue of secession” was NOT resolved in the 1860s.
The right to secede exists regardless of whether the right was suppressed through the force of arms.
Secession IS legal under the original Constitution, inherently so. The Constitution would not have been ratified without the inherent understanding that if the _created entity_ of the federal government breached the contract, the states could withdraw from that contract.
The government in the 1860s simply enforced an illegal suppression of that legal right.
Good comment, as usual. Thanks.
“Fellow citizens and compatriots;
I am besieged, by a thousand or more of the Mexicans under Santa Anna. I have sustained a continual Bombardment and cannonade for 24 hours and have not lost a man. The enemy has demanded a surrender at discretion, otherwise, the garrison are to be put to the sword, if the fort is taken. I have answered the demand with a cannon shot, and our flag still waves proudly from the walls. I shall never surrender or retreat. Then, I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid, with all dispatch. The enemy is receiving reinforcements daily and will no doubt increase to three or four thousand in four or five days. If this call is neglected, I am determined to sustain myself as long as possible and die like a soldier who never forgets what is due to his own honor & that of his country. Victory or Death.
William Barret Travis
Lt. Col. Comdt.
P.S. The Lord is on our side. When the enemy appeared in sight we had not three bushels of corn. We have since found in deserted houses 80 or 90 bushels and got into the walls 20 or 30 head of Beeves.
One of the greatest patriotic letters in American History. Not too long ago my JHS kids used a text that actually contained this letter. Now we have a new one that barely mentions The Alamo. Here in NYC I had a class of immigrant kids from Asia and Latin America which enthusiastically took a week studying the Alamo, this letter and the motivations of James Bohnam in returning to the mission and certain death. Several of the artistic kids created images of Bohnam’s decision. The History of this American Republic captures people. It is my hope we will someday be allowed again to teach it.
“Will the people in Arizona want to foot the billions it would cost to go it alone?”
AZ will have LOTS of new residents, happy to make it work with their money which would otherwise be confiscated by this clown in the White House. No doubt money will flow in from many other sources also. Besides, I suspect other states would want to join the effort to create a country separate from ObamaNation.
A Civil War! Aye, that’s the ticket! LOL.
I think all 57 states should secede.
Of course, you are right. The delegates to a new Constitutional Convention would not be fit to shine the shoes of the original framers...the Founding Fathers. But, we are going downhill anyway...why not just get it over with? It is too late to stop.