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Should Arizona secede?
WashingtonTimes.com ^ | July 29, 2010 | Jeffrey T. Kuhner

Posted on 07/29/2010 6:34:13 PM PDT by SloopJohnB

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To: jessduntno

“Third Manassas”

I like the sound of that.


51 posted on 07/29/2010 7:02:50 PM PDT by satan
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To: SloopJohnB
We the American tax payer should use their logic against them, by that I mean if none of use paid our taxes would it not prove that we would be placing undo pressure on the government to collect those taxes so they should not even bother to collect them?
52 posted on 07/29/2010 7:04:41 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: TomServo
If it does - I’m movin’...

Same here...Although, your profile shows Alabama. I'm PA. We'll have to do it based on Arizona's terms/laws. WE will be the outsider's too...

53 posted on 07/29/2010 7:05:07 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (Call me when the bullets start flying.)
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To: Sto Zvirat

Hyperbolic would be assuming a new crop of republicans would offer any more resistance to presidential and judicial tyranny than the current crop of weepublicans. But nice word usage.


54 posted on 07/29/2010 7:05:14 PM PDT by Conservative9
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To: SloopJohnB

The equation is real simple:

Two peoples, one in favor of individual liberty and the other wanting to enslave everyone, cannot and will not live together. History tells us that.


55 posted on 07/29/2010 7:05:34 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: SloopJohnB

From the US or Aztlan?


56 posted on 07/29/2010 7:06:40 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: satan

“Third Manassas” I like the sound of that.”

It’s gonna be a bitch...but these leftists aren’t going away...look around, we got legalized thuggery at the polls, a POtuS we know NOTHING about, a federal usurpation that would make Lincoln blush and a DOJ that answers to no one.

Look around.

This is not simply socialist creep, a push from a small number of radicals; it is the rush of the left, abetted by many around the world, to finally end our grand experiment.

Will the resistance to this virulent, leftist imposition of will end in a heated debate and resolution through the ballot box, or will it create a resurgent Free Republic, the mounting of a resistance that forces some of us to become rebels?


57 posted on 07/29/2010 7:07:39 PM PDT by jessduntno (Each day, I await a fresh insult to America by this usurper...he never fails to deliver.)
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To: Caipirabob

Gee, do you think the city folk would mind “Sherman” killing every man, woman, and child in his path this time?


58 posted on 07/29/2010 7:07:58 PM PDT by Conservative9
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To: SloopJohnB

Ladies and Gentlemen: The CORRECT answer is for a 2nd Constitutional Convention to be held...we only need 1 or 2 more states to agree...and for that august body to then DISSOLVE the United States of America! With that dead carcass out of the way, the delegates could then form a NEW government, one that is of, by, and for the PEOPLE!


59 posted on 07/29/2010 7:08:24 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: valkyry1
All the States should secede from Wash DC and start over with a clean slate.

Now that makes the most sense.
60 posted on 07/29/2010 7:10:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: MarineBrat
I hope every damn state secedes.

Amen!

61 posted on 07/29/2010 7:10:52 PM PDT by Textide
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To: SloopJohnB

I support this. I am prepared to move to the home I own in Sedona, and leave the home I own on the Central Coast, and bring with me my IRA, valuables, livestock, technical background and my consulting business and help Arizona become a country of it’s own. I think it’s time, Washington DC has outlived it’s purpose and serves little value anymore other than a huge money drain.


62 posted on 07/29/2010 7:11:55 PM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: SloopJohnB
Should Arizona secede?

No.

They should overthrow the federal government.
In November. 2010 and 2012.
At the ballot box.

63 posted on 07/29/2010 7:12:33 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (There is neither honesty, manhood nor good fellowship in thee.)
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To: Conservative9

“Gee, do you think the city folk would mind “Sherman” killing every man, woman, and child in his path this time?”

It would be for a just cause...to preserve the Republic and keep the slavery of Marxism from oppressing many of our people...


64 posted on 07/29/2010 7:12:47 PM PDT by jessduntno (Each day, I await a fresh insult to America by this usurper...he never fails to deliver.)
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To: SloopJohnB

The only way anybody could break off viably would be for Texas and Utah and all the other states they could take with them to do it.


65 posted on 07/29/2010 7:13:03 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: SloopJohnB

No. The question is inappropriate at this time.

States will get their 10th Amendment rights when they wrest them from the Feds. Arizona Gov. should announce that they are going to enforce their law, period.

Let the Feds go crazy trying to figure out what to do.

If they really want their attention, kick everyone out of the federal courthouse, and don’t let anyone back in until the ruling is vacated.

If the Feds want the spectacle of occupying Arizona by force, so be it - if they want the spectacle of throwing the Governor in jail, so be it.


66 posted on 07/29/2010 7:13:06 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Conservative9
Many would, many would not. Sadly the fact that we are even discussing this is a very bad sign.

I weep for my country.

67 posted on 07/29/2010 7:14:09 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Lord help our Armed Service members that they not become pawns in Hussein's quest to destroy America)
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To: SloopJohnB

YES! The chances of the union dissolving are increasing. I rate it at 20% and climbing. Here is what a free and independent republic might look like:

http://freetexasconstitution.wordpress.com/


68 posted on 07/29/2010 7:15:44 PM PDT by grumpa (VP)
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah, California has all those windmills in Palm Desert. Let them use those to power Los Angeles.


69 posted on 07/29/2010 7:18:32 PM PDT by ponygirl
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To: grumpa

Republic of Texas

Nice ring to it...


70 posted on 07/29/2010 7:18:54 PM PDT by jessduntno (Each day, I await a fresh insult to America by this usurper...he never fails to deliver.)
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To: mylife

The Cartels control Puerto Penasco now.


71 posted on 07/29/2010 7:19:57 PM PDT by ponygirl
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To: SloopJohnB

I haven’t reached the point of supporting the drastic action of secession. Somehow the idea rings a warning bell to me that we are being baited.

That said from here in little Rhody to Arizona,so much love for you true Americans there.


72 posted on 07/29/2010 7:20:31 PM PDT by FreeDeerHawk
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To: KC_Lion
Many would, many would not.

We can't even get conservatives elected in most states.

73 posted on 07/29/2010 7:22:08 PM PDT by Do Be (The heart is smarter than the head.)
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To: SloopJohnB

Judge Bolton holds the happiness of foreign criminals above the safety and security of American citizens.


74 posted on 07/29/2010 7:22:26 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: FreeDeerHawk
Sam Adams Quote


75 posted on 07/29/2010 7:22:29 PM PDT by jessduntno (Each day, I await a fresh insult to America by this usurper...he never fails to deliver.)
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To: GoCards

Don’t leave us behind in central, SW, and North Florida. It would be great to ‘Shed the Feds’.


76 posted on 07/29/2010 7:22:32 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: Caipirabob

“The clown prince is just waiting for an excuse to order a “Sherman’s March to the Sea” through a series of red states... “

Right. King obuma will order the fearsome Fat Welfare Momma Division to invade the south. They’ll be backed up by the crack Streetcorner Rappers Who Can’t Hold Their Glocks Straight brigade. And the Bed-Wetting College Kids will take the right and left flanks. And let’s not forget the 500 + pound Union Cavalry riders who will play the role of burning railroad depots while keeping Wade Hampton’s cavalry off center.

Do you know anything about Sherman? I doubt it.


77 posted on 07/29/2010 7:23:32 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: SloopJohnB
How about all 50 states expel DC? Let them become a "Flensburg Government", decreeing all manner of bool-sheet intil they're blue in the mouth while we set things right; then when we're ready, we can march in, reoccupy such federal faciilities as are needed by a Constitutional Republic, and as for those individuals...retrain those who can be salvaged, execu-- no, exile-- the rest.
78 posted on 07/29/2010 7:24:57 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Ich bin ein 'Cuda!)
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To: FreeDeerHawk
I haven’t reached the point of supporting the drastic action of secession. Somehow the idea rings a warning bell to me that we are being baited.

I'm pretty much positive that we're being baited into screwing ourselves. Back in the late 60s, William Ayers and pals weren't getting their marxist revolution as quickly as they wanted so they started taking drastic action and their movement was crushed because of it.

Our mistake was in letting them slip back into the shadows. They have learned from our mistake and won't allow it to happen to us.
79 posted on 07/29/2010 7:25:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: citizenredstater9271

really ? any details ?


80 posted on 07/29/2010 7:26:24 PM PDT by onona (dbada)
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To: SloopJohnB
Should Arizona secede?

To paraphrase the immortal words of James Pettigru, Arizona is too small to be a country and too large to be an insane asylum.

81 posted on 07/29/2010 7:26:31 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: RFEngineer

I get your point but everything should be talked about and considered now. The pace of our destruction is quickening. You have great points here. I would like to see them start with Nullification because all the states could use that for the health care destruction bill. I don’t see Brewer having the guts for your ideas or nullification though. She is a republican- they talk big and make back room deals. I hope she proves me wrong.


82 posted on 07/29/2010 7:26:48 PM PDT by Conservative9
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To: dr_lew
Anyway you look at it, this thing is going to build.

Ro-ger THAT!

And Obama thought the Transocean oil rig explosion and fire was a huge blow out; he ain't seen JACK!

By the violin-string tensions evident on the streets, the definition of the word "BLOWBACK" is about jump up by several orders of magnitude. As usual, TOTUS has ZERO clue.

83 posted on 07/29/2010 7:27:01 PM PDT by HKMk23 (http://home.astound.net/~play4keeps/)
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To: TomServo

>>If it does - I’m movin’...<<

Me too, TS.


84 posted on 07/29/2010 7:28:33 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: Sacajaweau
This will get to the Supreme Court and I believe it will be a victory for Arizona.

Being from Chicago and knowing how things work here I am very worried that one of the conservative supreme court judges is going to have an accident. People who stand in the way of Mayor Daley and his friends like Obama often end up in the Chicago River. Like the guy who was going to testify against Mayor Daley and drove all the way down town to throw himself off a bridge. Or the head of METRA who walked in front of one of his own trains after he got caught by the feds. /tinfoil
85 posted on 07/29/2010 7:31:34 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: valkyry1

I say we just deport Congress and the President.


86 posted on 07/29/2010 7:31:47 PM PDT by comps4spice (Can we deport Congress?)
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To: Do Be
We have shot in November, ONE ,if we can't fix it after that, I don't know. After my enlistments up, may have to move to Haifa, got some family there.

Never thought I'd ever pledge allegiance to a new flag, may have swear to the Israeli one.

87 posted on 07/29/2010 7:31:59 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Lord help our Armed Service members that they not become pawns in Hussein's quest to destroy America)
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To: TomServo

Into or out of? ;>)


88 posted on 07/29/2010 7:32:45 PM PDT by Americanexpat
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To: Americanexpat
lol...very much into..
89 posted on 07/29/2010 7:33:49 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: SloopJohnB
Sheriff Joe Arpaio should round'em up and bus them to the Fed. judges, and everyone elses personal residences that supports the invasion of our country from these criminals...let them take over their domicile

But seriously, I'd like to see AZ tell DC to shove it....and wait to see what action they take when the ball is back in Soros's puppet's hands.

If need be...I'd be proud to become a new AZ resident.

Talk is cheap(and pretty much owned by the left), time to stand up for what's right.

90 posted on 07/29/2010 7:34:11 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo
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To: SpaceBar

Kuhner ping


91 posted on 07/29/2010 7:34:48 PM PDT by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I could see Obama just handing the state over to Mexico if they did and no matter how tough Arizonans are, the Mexican military, drug cartels and organized crime would shred the place. Hell Mexico already has an army illegally living in Arizona.


92 posted on 07/29/2010 7:35:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Razmataz
Naw... that would be way too radical. The solution is soooo easy. What the Governor needs to do is just simply tell Idiot O that Starting August 1st, all federal tax remittances from Arizona will be made to the Governors office... and held in Escrow... until Washington wishes to start speaking English with some element of sense. I do know that this so called president and congress understand money

Oh I like it. And it would spread like wildfire with states like Illinois and California desperate for cash. If they thought backing a get tough on illegals law allowed them to grab federal tax money they would be tempted to do it. Hey nothing can make liberals turn on each other like throwing a pile of money in front of them.
93 posted on 07/29/2010 7:35:11 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Tanniker Smith

“At the ballot box.”

That’s kind of tough to do when states are approving measures to disallow military votes, voter fraud and intimidation is encouraged by this administration.


94 posted on 07/29/2010 7:35:33 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: SloopJohnB

Arizona did once already....

ARIZONA ORDINANCE OF SECESSION

Passed by the People of Arizona in Convention Assembled at La Mesilla, Arizona Territory, March 16, 1861

http://azrebel.tripod.com/page9.html


95 posted on 07/29/2010 7:40:01 PM PDT by OL Hickory (Jesus and the American soldier-1 died for your soul/1 died for your freedom)
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To: valkyry1

YES!


96 posted on 07/29/2010 7:43:33 PM PDT by taxtruth (Something really stinks In The Federal Government/Mafia and I think it's BO!)
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To: valkyry1

YES!


97 posted on 07/29/2010 7:43:38 PM PDT by taxtruth (Something really stinks In The Federal Government/Mafia and I think it's BO!)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Should Arizona secede?

No.

They should overthrow the federal government.
In November. 2010 and 2012.
At the ballot box.
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The judges would just overturn the people, as usual.

Do we have a Krytocracy (a government ruled by judges) already?


98 posted on 07/29/2010 7:44:17 PM PDT by Ex-Democrat Dean
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To: SloopJohnB

You heard it here first: Judges making such asinine rulings of law from the bench will result in the “law” falling into disrepute to the point that it will be held in contempt by the thinking American citizens with backbone and DISOBEYED. Stop taking these self-important pontificating puppet jurists seriously: ignore them and their ridiculous pronouncements!!! DO WHATEVER IT TAKES to enforce the Constitution and out rights. The “courts” are becomming irrelevant.


99 posted on 07/29/2010 7:51:07 PM PDT by dtrpscout (A bad dog is better than most good people.)
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To: SloopJohnB

I plan to immigrate (legally) to the first state that does.


100 posted on 07/29/2010 7:53:43 PM PDT by GingisK
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