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To: kbennkc

Guns with obliterated serial numbers are usually those used for criminal purposes. No sane gunowner would deface a weapon by obliterating its serial number.

Serial numbers are production numbers put their by the manufacturer to show when it was produced (i.e. a Lot number).

It is helpful to the police to track stolen weapons when they recover a suspect item by tracing its serial number back to police reports of stolen weapons, and then back to the original manufacturer.

When U.S. M-16’s started to show up in Latin America, one report said that the serial numbers were traced back to lots sent to So. Vietnam during the war. The implication was, that if this was true, that the No. Vietnamese or a cut-out dealer was selling arms to the Sandinistas and/or FLMN.

All cars must have serial numbers and VIN numbers. No one seems to argue against this so a gun/weapon serial number is no different and doesn’t take any skin off my butt.

I want street criminals who possess weapons with obliterated serial numbers to go to jail for it, and the weapon taken off the street. You and I will be safer if this charge is brought against them.


31 posted on 07/30/2010 10:32:29 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Then why does federal law require that firearms be serial numbered? Forget obliterated serial numbers. A firearm that is manufactured without one is just as unlawful.

And what part of the Constitution gives the feds that power?

/johnny

34 posted on 07/30/2010 10:38:59 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
Guns with obliterated serial numbers are usually those used for criminal purposes. No sane gunowner would deface a weapon by obliterating its serial number.

I agree. I went back to my post, I thought maybe I had gone nuts again. My only point is some older guns were produced without serial numbers.

They are legal to own same as the rest. Thus using the term guns without numbers when what is meant is guns with obliterated numbers results in a failure to communicate.

I can think of no legitimate reason to obliterate a number. If I saw a gun with an unreadable number I would assume it was stolen and I know it would be a felony to have it in my possession. The dating, historical provenance and other information available by serial numbers is an interesting part of the hobby of gun collecting.

37 posted on 07/30/2010 11:10:57 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

If that’s what is wanted, wouldn’t it make sense that effacing a serial number should be declared a crime only in conjunction with some illegal act being performed with the gun (such as a murder or robbery). We don’t want the 2nd Amendment’s purpose to be effectively nullified by proliferating paperwork type crimes.


38 posted on 07/30/2010 11:32:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
MadMax, the Grinning Reaper said: "No sane gunowner would deface a weapon by obliterating its serial number."

Nonsense. I would remove the serial numbers from all of my guns were it not for criminal penalties. They are my guns. They belong to me; not you, and not the government.

It is only due to the infringement of demanding serial numbers that the onerous infringements of registration can exist. The entire FFL system is dependent upon them. Thanks to the existence of serial numbers, every firearm I own is registered by the federal government and the state of Kalifornia.

Do you really think that our nation's Founders would agree that the federal government may demand serial numbers on firearms. How about on knives, swords, and pointed sticks?

What would our Founders think of the federal government outlawing the manufacture of machine guns but allowing continued possession of those already manufactured? How could such an infringement exist if not for serial numbers?

39 posted on 07/31/2010 12:37:06 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
-- All cars must have serial numbers and VIN numbers. --

Not if you make your own.

Would you be okay if it was a federal felony (this case is about a federal felony) to deface the serial number on your stereo?

Where, you ask, is the federal power to felonize the stereo defacing? Commerce clause, goes the argument.

Back to the car example, it is a federal crime to alter, obliterate, etc. vehicle VIN numbers too.

46 posted on 07/31/2010 4:16:57 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Any “penalty” for an obliterated firearm serial number will just be ignored or served concurrently with whatever sentence a criminal receives...it has absolutely no effect on a criminal...only a law-abiding citizen will ever be affected by these arcane “laws” passed by the real criminal class...otherwise known as “politicians”.


62 posted on 08/01/2010 4:57:05 AM PDT by God Bless Dixie (Southron Pride)
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