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FBI Examines Civil Rights Case (Death of Shirley Sherrod's Father)
The Albany Herald ^ | Saturday, July 31, 2010 | J.D. Sumner

Posted on 07/31/2010 7:33:06 AM PDT by kristinn

FBI agents have requested and received documents connected to the man who some believe shot and killed Shirley Sherrod's father in rural Baker County in 1965, court officials said Friday.

While Sherrod has been the focus of media attention following her dismissal from the U.S. Department of Agriculture and the subsequent apology from President Barack Obama, the death of her father when she was 17 has been has been discussed but not prominently.

But the shot fired the night of March 15, 1965, has begun to reverberate again in Baker County after an FBI agent requested documents Friday connected to the only man charged in Hosie Miller's death, Cal Hall.

According to Baker County Probate Court officials, the agent requested the death certificate of Hall, who was also known as C.A. Hall, Jr. Hall died in 1976.

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According to the documents obtained Friday, Grace Miller and her brother-in-law, Walter Miller, tried at least three times to get Hall tried.

On the night of the shooting, Grace Miller swore out a warrant against Hall for assault with intent of murder. Despite the fact that Hosie Miller had since died, that charge went before a grand jury on Oct. 27, 1965 and was dismissed.

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Finally, on Jan. 17, 1966, Walter Miller again tried to bring murder charges against Hall but was unsuccessful.

Eight days later, on Jan. 25, 1966, Grace Miller, with the assistance of famed civil rights attorney C.B. King, filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Hall alleging that Hall shot Miller in the chest while in Miller's cow pasture off Route 2 in Newton on March 15, 1965. According to court documents Miller was seeking $330,00 to recover present and future lost wages, medical and funeral costs.

In his answer to Grace Miller's original complaint, Hall's attorney stated "the Defendant says that he is not indebted to the Plaintiff for any sum or amount for the reason that the killing by him of Plaintiff's husband was in self-defense."

Despite King's efforts to have the Baker County Board of Jury Commissioners redraw the jury lists after he said that the jury panel was comprised of a disproportionate number of white jurors given the fact during the 1960's census the majority of Baker County's 2,000-plus residents were black, Judge Emeritus Carl E. Crow went forward with the proceeding and on Sept.12, 1966, the jury found in favor of Hall.


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1 posted on 07/31/2010 7:33:11 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn
Bleep the "civil rights" case.If they think they have the one who committed the murder then,by all means,convict him in state court and hang him.It's that simple.It ain't rocket science.

Although I guess they could hang him *twice* for having committed a "hate crime".

2 posted on 07/31/2010 7:37:55 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (''I don't regret setting bombs,I feel we didn't do enough.'' ->Bill Ayers,Hussein's mentor,9/11/01)
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To: kristinn

Hall is long since departed so what’s the point?


3 posted on 07/31/2010 7:39:44 AM PDT by muddler (Diligentia, Vis and Celeritas)
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To: kristinn

They have tried and tried to persecute this man and every time a jury or grand jury found for him. Now he has been dead for nearly 35 years and they are still trying to get mileage out of the case.

Nothing to be gained except try to stir up racial strife.


4 posted on 07/31/2010 7:40:50 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: kristinn

Let me guess -

Mr Hall went to Hosie’s pasture to retrieve Mt Hall’s stolen cows .....


5 posted on 07/31/2010 7:41:21 AM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: kristinn

Well, while the FBI is at it, they ought to investigate the rampant fraud going on in the Pigsford Suit and shakedown. (eye roll)


6 posted on 07/31/2010 7:44:11 AM PDT by penelopesire (FOX NEWS TRIBAL PRINCESS)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Bleep the "civil rights" case.If they think they have the one who committed the murder then,by all means,convict him in state court and hang him.It's that simple.It ain't rocket science.

Read the whole article before you post.

Both the shooter and the shootee are long since dead. There are not going to be any arrests, ever.

7 posted on 07/31/2010 7:45:12 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: kristinn

I wish the DoJ, FBI, and Washington D.C. would simply implode in upon itself already. =.=


8 posted on 07/31/2010 7:47:04 AM PDT by cranked
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To: kristinn
Hall was charged at least three different times in connection with Miller's killing and each time the grand jury declined to prosecute.

So, the prosecution could not even get an indictment.

In his answer to Grace Miller's original complaint [in 1966], Hall's attorney stated "the Defendant says that he is not indebted to the Plaintiff for any sum or amount for the reason that the killing by him of Plaintiff's husband was in self-defense."

We have been told that Sherrod's father was killed by a white man who was never charged. That was untrue. He was charged three times criminally and there was not enough evidence to even indict, much less convict. He was also sued in civil court and won.
9 posted on 07/31/2010 7:47:48 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: muddler
Hall is long since departed so what’s the point?

There is no point other than to stir up racial hatred.

It happened a long time ago.

.....It was one man against another, both of whom are dead.

.....Was it racism?

.....Was it self defense?

.....Was it outright murder (you know, the nonracial therefore less severe kind < / sarc >)?

Who knows. But it has been tried and tried again with no result. By now it would be impossible to obtain any trustworthy evidence that had not been already discovered.

The only point is to stir up the race issue.

10 posted on 07/31/2010 7:49:30 AM PDT by SteamShovel (UTOPIA...Isn't)
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To: yarddog
Interesting that Grace Miller's wrongful death suit alleges Hosie Miller was shot in the chest. Current telling of the story is that Hosie Miller was shot in the back.

I was also not previously aware that there had been a trial. In the wrongful death suit, sufficiency of proof is preponderance of the evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt, and even with that lower threshold, no finding of liability.

11 posted on 07/31/2010 7:50:39 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: kristinn
Despite King's efforts to have the Baker County Board of Jury Commissioners redraw the jury lists after he said that the jury panel was comprised of a disproportionate number of white jurors given the fact during the 1960's census the majority of Baker County's 2,000-plus residents were black, Judge Emeritus Carl E. Crow went forward with the proceeding and on Sept.12, 1966, the jury found in favor of Hall.

Since they are making this a racial event, I assume that Hall was Caucasian, if so, that would have made that a jury of his peers.

12 posted on 07/31/2010 7:50:43 AM PDT by farmguy
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To: advance_copy

Oh, you mean Charred lied?


13 posted on 07/31/2010 7:51:05 AM PDT by svcw (Real faith is always increased by opposition, false confidence is damaged & discouraged by it)
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To: SteamShovel

Or to shut up shirley. I wonder if she threatened the Whte House etc?


14 posted on 07/31/2010 7:53:38 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: farmguy

“I assume that Hall was Caucasian, if so, that would have made that a jury of his peers.”

Very good point!!!


15 posted on 07/31/2010 8:02:41 AM PDT by ebersole
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To: kristinn

I wonder what race-angry high official in the White House told the FBI to reopen the case? Anybody got any ideas who that might be?


16 posted on 07/31/2010 8:04:49 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (my favorite pastime: annoying liberals who have no sense of humor)
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To: SteamShovel; All

The “justice” department may be wanting to sue the county for its failure to re-draw the jury to make it allegedly less racially “biased”. Holder is not past anything. Snake. Race baiter.


17 posted on 07/31/2010 8:07:01 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: kristinn

We know Shirley’s version but exactly how did Hall explain what happened? If Miller really was shot in the back, how could it be self defense? Was there an autopsy report? On the surface it sounds like Shirley has a reason to be bitter. I would like to hope that with 3 Grand Juries, justice could be found.


18 posted on 07/31/2010 8:07:44 AM PDT by PoplarBluffian
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To: advance_copy
We have been told that Sherrod's father was killed by a white man who was never charged. That was untrue. He was charged three times criminally and there was not enough evidence to even indict, much less convict. He was also sued in civil court and won.

She has also claimed that her father was murdered by the KKK. But repeated news stories on what happened say nothing about the Klan.

Hard to believe the RAT media would leave that out if it were true.

19 posted on 07/31/2010 8:08:06 AM PDT by freespirited (There are a lot of bad Republicans but there are no good Democrats.--Ann Coulter)
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To: silverleaf
-- Let me guess -
Mr Hall went to Hosie's pasture to retrieve Mt Hall's stolen cows ...
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This is the most detail I have seen, as to what lead up to the shooting. I will say that "shot in the back" is a prominent feature in all the recently published stories -- sometimes set off with em-dashes.

If Hosie Miller was shot in the back, why would the wrongful death lawsuit allege he was shot in the chest? Talk about changing a significant and material part of the story!

Shirley Sherrod shaped by father's slaying
By Rhonda Cook and Marcus K. Garner
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
8:50 a.m. Friday, July 23, 2010

Sherrod's father, Hosie Miller, had a dispute with a man over cows that had come into his pasture. The neighbor insisted that three of Miller's cows were his. Miller said he would call the "law" to settle the dispute. As Hosie Miller was closing the gate, he was shot in the back, the family says.

20 posted on 07/31/2010 8:13:22 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
I wonder what race-angry high official in the White House told the FBI to reopen the case? Anybody got any ideas who that might be?

Uh..........President Racebaiter?

21 posted on 07/31/2010 8:13:33 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: SteamShovel
The only point is to stir up the race issue.

These people should watch what they 'stir up'. Having grown up in the Deep South in the 1960's, I am confident that the DA, the Judge, the Prosecuting Attorney, and half the jury are all DEMON RATS. If they want to bring up the past, we need to make sure it all gets brought up, including the fact that it was the Democrats, and only the Democrats who practiced Jim Crow, discrimination against blacks and denied them justice.

22 posted on 07/31/2010 8:16:20 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: PoplarBluffian
-- We know Shirley's version but exactly how did Hall explain what happened? If Miller really was shot in the back, how could it be self defense? --

Miller tells two versions. Grace Miller's wrongful death suit alleged that her husband, Hosie, was shot in the chest.

I agree with you, if he was shot in the back, Hall's claim of self-defense is weak, and maybe collapses entirely.

-- I would like to hope that with 3 Grand Juries, justice could be found. --

OJ lost his civil suit. Partial justice. In the Hosie Miller case, the jury hearing the wrongful death suit found the shooting to be justified. There was a trial, and Hall would have been liable if the evidence was more likely than not that he was not acting in self defense.

I bet the pleading and answer are at least available, public record of the trial.

I can understand bitterness on the part of the Miller family, and Ms. Sherrod too. But if the history is really this murky (IOW, if the suit and facts are equivocal, and Hosie was shot in the chest), then prudence dictates keeping the bitterness to yourself. Puffing the story up is risky.

For all we know, and I'd like to think this is true, Hosie was well liked by the community, and Hall was viewed as a hot head, so that in the event of a trial, the bias ran in favor of Hosie. IOW, perhaps this was an upstanding color-blind community and jury.

23 posted on 07/31/2010 8:23:19 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: farmguy
Since they are making this a racial event, I assume that Hall was Caucasian, if so, that would have made that a jury of his peers.

Peers is not meant to have anything to do with race. It's meant to draw a jury pool from the governed rather than the ruling class.

24 posted on 07/31/2010 8:24:49 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: kristinn

Expect the Obama-directed FBI to find Hall “guilty” and this to become yet another urban myth in the black pantheon of Roots-type tales. It never ends.


25 posted on 07/31/2010 8:27:35 AM PDT by hampdenkid
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To: sportutegrl
If they want to bring up the past, we need to make sure it all gets brought up

That's the only way to bring up the past. ALL of it must be reexamined for a truthful outcome.

Anything else is simply propaganda.

26 posted on 07/31/2010 8:29:10 AM PDT by SteamShovel (UTOPIA...Isn't)
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To: kristinn
“FBI agents have requested and received documents connected to the man who some believe shot and killed Shirley Sherrod’s father in rural Baker County in 1965, court officials said Friday”.
You can bet Holder/Obama told the FBI to clear the case to accuse the dead man of the homicide. If the FBI has nothing better to do they ought to go to AZ. and enforce the laws re. entering the country illegally
27 posted on 07/31/2010 8:36:16 AM PDT by kenmcg
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To: kristinn

I guess it is safe to say based on Sherrods husbands completely contexted comments that he is in fact a Racist and hates White People with extreme prejudice, much like Jeramiah Wright whose sermons were completely contexted and his racist hate was shown to have infected the Obama’s as they sat in that hate filled church for all those years....


28 posted on 07/31/2010 8:40:50 AM PDT by Typical_Whitey (Our nation has a choice, Vote or Die.)
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To: kristinn

Its not about solving anything from yesteryear it is about racial intimidation today.


29 posted on 07/31/2010 8:41:45 AM PDT by junta (S.C.U.M. = State Controlled Unreliable Media)
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To: Gay State Conservative

dig him up....this is about racist propaganda


30 posted on 07/31/2010 8:48:44 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: kristinn
"Miller, who said that she and Hall were distantly related, never made any attempts to contact the family before his death in 1976."

No mention if he was a black relative or a white relative. Either way, family on family violence is a common occurrence. Makes you kind of wonder why after 45 years, and especially at this point in time, this is being delved into.

31 posted on 07/31/2010 8:52:16 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: farmguy
" I assume that Hall was Caucasian, if so, that would have made that a jury of his peers. "

Perhaps not. The article said Mrs. Miller was distantly related to Hall, so it's anybody's guess.

32 posted on 07/31/2010 8:54:29 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: farmguy
"...majority of Baker County's 2,000-plus residents were black..."

This is a favorite trick of the leftwing media, lawyers & politicians. Blacks being a majority of residents does not mean they are a majority of the pool of eligible jurors. The pool of residents includes children (which some groups have more of) convicted felons & others barred from serving on a jury.

The left is allowed to get away with this switch all the time. Just recently, in a settlement of an election "discrimination" suit, they used the fact that Hispanics were under represented based on their percentage of residents. But again residents include children, felons and also illegal aliens (which the area in question is known for) - who are not allowed participate in elections.

33 posted on 07/31/2010 9:37:03 AM PDT by drpix
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To: kristinn

Okay, I’ll say it:

Hosie Miller was a cattle rustler.


34 posted on 07/31/2010 9:46:11 AM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: PoplarBluffian

In the deep south in the 1960’s any kind of real justice for blacks was quite rare. And the fact that the alleged killer, Mr. Hall, and every single white juror and Grand Juror in the criminal and civil cases were undoubtedly Yellow Dog Democrats never seems to be mentioned by anyone. Funny, that.


35 posted on 07/31/2010 9:50:12 AM PDT by katana (For what is an Irishman ? But a .......)
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To: SteamShovel
The only point is to stir up the race issue.

Money is a possibly motive, also. It's a twofer.

36 posted on 07/31/2010 10:13:53 AM PDT by auboy (Men who cannot deceive others are very often successful at deceiving themselves. Samuel Johnson)
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To: muddler

“Hall is long since departed so what’s the point?”

My take is....the Obama crew want to show the country the racism of the local and state governments of the Deep South - which are red. Prove to the country that the Feds need to come in just as they did during Reconstruction.

Can we say, control the vote?

Just who sent that film to Breitbart (sp)? Was it a set up from the get go?


37 posted on 07/31/2010 10:18:05 AM PDT by texteacher
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To: SteamShovel

The Albany Herald trying to stir up the race issue? Never!! s/


38 posted on 07/31/2010 10:29:50 AM PDT by peggybac
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To: texteacher

All I’ve read is that the clips came from Georgia.


39 posted on 07/31/2010 10:31:21 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: kristinn

“Sherrod’s father, Hosie Miller, had a dispute with a man over cows that had come into his pasture. The neighbor insisted that three of Miller’s cows were his. Miller said he would call the “law” to settle the dispute. As Hosie Miller was closing the gate, he was shot in the back, the family says.”

Back in the day they shot cattle thieves...

http://www.ajc.com/news/shirley-sherrod-shaped-by-575702.html


40 posted on 07/31/2010 10:56:49 AM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: kristinn
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41 posted on 07/31/2010 11:02:51 AM PDT by bt579 (Is government doing us more harm than good? Pruning the power begins with the Presidency)
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To: mass55th
No mention if he was a black relative or a white relative. Either way, family on family violence is a common occurrence. Makes you kind of wonder why after 45 years, and especially at this point in time, this is being delved into.

Particularly since Sherrod obviously has such influence in the government and the NAACP. Something doesn't pass the smell test here...

42 posted on 07/31/2010 11:10:26 AM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

ummm, the suspected perp has been dead 24 years


43 posted on 07/31/2010 11:14:59 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Bodleian_Girl
-- Back in the day they shot cattle thieves... --

Another part of the story that I hadn't heard until today was the interim between Hosie's being shot, and his death. He was shot in the night of March 15. He died on March 25th.

My assumption had been that he was shot in the back, and died shortly thereafter ... death being a direct result of being shot. Now I read he was shot in the chest and survived for 9 days, more or less.

44 posted on 07/31/2010 11:21:25 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: yarddog

Did you use “persecute” vs. “prosecute” purposely? You know how well the judicial system in the south worked for blacks thru the mid-60s and beyond. We are still paying for it every day in a variety of ways.

If the FBI will handle this case seriously, and maybe keep Jesse and Al and the other race hustlers from capitalizing on it, it would be important to the family who lost one of their own. LEO always has ‘cold cases’ to solve. This is no different, except Sherrod got so much press, it brought her father’s case to their attention.

If it were my family or yours, we’d want it solved and put to rest once and for all. If it stirs up more racial strife, as if there isn’t enough already, I wouldn’t care if it were my family. Nor would you.


45 posted on 07/31/2010 11:24:05 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: kristinn

Feckless

Brain dead

Ignore the real serious criminals


46 posted on 07/31/2010 11:37:21 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (.)
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To: muddler
Hall is long since departed so what’s the point?

There's political hay to be mowed down.

47 posted on 07/31/2010 11:38:08 AM PDT by savedbygrace (Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord)
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To: EDINVA

Pure horse manure.

I lived in the South in the 50’s and 60’s and base my knowledge on real life, not on movies and TV shows in which every Black is innocent and every White (except the Northern Heroes) is a racist redneck.

My Father served on juries, one in which they found a Black innocent of a minor charge, tho he technically was guilty. They just didn’t think he was doing anything unreasonable.


48 posted on 07/31/2010 11:49:13 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: kristinn

An apparently known KKK member shooting an unarmed (?) black man on his own property over some disputed cows is suspicious as to charges being dropped however many times. We’ll probably never know the truth.


49 posted on 07/31/2010 12:39:03 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: cranked
Holder's Civil Rights Division certainly requested this investigation. The FBI is the investigative arm of DOJ.
50 posted on 07/31/2010 1:02:54 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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