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Debate Heats Up About Mosque Near Ground Zero
NY Times ^ | July 30, 2010 | MICHAEL BARBARO

Posted on 08/01/2010 9:56:31 AM PDT by neverdem

An influential Jewish organization on Friday announced its opposition to a proposed Islamic center and mosque two blocks north of ground zero in Lower Manhattan, intensifying a fierce national debate about the limits of religious freedom and the meaning of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

The decision by the group, the Anti-Defamation League, touched...

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Those who are fighting the project argue that building a house of Muslim worship so close to ground zero is at best an affront to the families of those who died there and at worst an act of aggression that would, they say, mark the place where radical Islam achieved a blow against the United States.

“The World Trade Center is the largest loss of American life on our soil since the Civil War,” Mr. Gingrich said. “And we have not rebuilt it, which drives people crazy. And in that setting, we are told, why don’t we have a 13-story mosque and community center?”

He added: “The average American just thinks this is a political statement. It’s not about religion, and is clearly an aggressive act that is offensive.”

Several family members of victims at the World Trade Center have weighed in against the plan, saying it would desecrate what amounts to a graveyard. “When I look over there and see a mosque, it’s going to hurt,” C. Lee Hanson, whose son, Peter, was killed in the attacks, said at a recent public hearing. “Build it someplace else.”

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City officials, particularly Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, have forcefully defended the project on the grounds of religious freedom, saying that government has no place dictating where a house of worship is located. The local community board has given overwhelming backing to the project, and the city’s landmarks commission is expected to do the same on Tuesday...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: adl; antidefamationleague; bloomberg; groundzero; groundzeromosque; mosquee; obama; palin

1 posted on 08/01/2010 9:56:34 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Idiots who think this is a religion defend it.
Normal people know it’s a world-domination ideology cleverly disguised as a religion and oppose it.


2 posted on 08/01/2010 9:58:28 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (my favorite pastime: annoying liberals who have no sense of humor)
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To: neverdem

Bloomberg is not now, and never has been,either a Republican,a republican,or a servant of the people.


3 posted on 08/01/2010 9:59:05 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: neverdem

We always hear about how we need to be more “tolerant” of other religions. Can someone explain to me why the muslims are not being asked to be more “tolerant” of our feelings in this matter? After all, it’s a two way street.


4 posted on 08/01/2010 10:01:38 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (The problem isn't that 1% of muslims are terrorists. The problem is 99% of terrorists are muslim)
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To: hoosierham

Its so obvious that these Muslims are taunting the victims, their families and America with the name and location of this project.


5 posted on 08/01/2010 10:03:54 AM PDT by catbertz
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To: neverdem
It would be such a shame if this cesspool or mosque (the distinction escapes me)were torched several times during construction thereby delaying completion, driving up costs, making insurance prohibitively expensive and finally forcing the city to declare it an unacceptable danger to the community.

Such a shame

6 posted on 08/01/2010 10:04:53 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: neverdem

Heats up? Are they having one of those koran burnings up there too?


7 posted on 08/01/2010 10:08:04 AM PDT by FrankR (It doesn't matter what they call us, only what we answer to....)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
Normal people know it’s a world-domination ideology cleverly disguised as a religion and oppose it.

You may be right of course...but it is also possible that Islam is Lucifer's very own custom-designed religion for sand Nazi's.

He's pretty good at this kind of stuff...just look what he's done for Obama, Alinsky, and the Liberals.

8 posted on 08/01/2010 10:26:16 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Satan's greatest trick use to be convincing men he doesn't exist! But his latest novelty is Obama!)
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To: catbertz
Its so obvious that these Muslims are taunting the victims, their families and America with the name and location of this project.

And probing the emotional and psychological defenses of their enemies.

9 posted on 08/01/2010 10:29:48 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Satan's greatest trick use to be convincing men he doesn't exist! But his latest novelty is Obama!)
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To: neverdem
Debate Heats Up About Mosque Near Ground Zero

Debate? Debate!? Why is there any question at all about this? The immediate, first, and final answer on this should have been "H**l no!" This obviously has nothing to do with religion, it is all about insulting America and giving a boost to radical Islam around the world.

A Mosque at ground zero? No, not now, not ever.

How about we put a Marine training base in the heart of Mecca? Maybe a low-rent brothel and a McDonalds selling bacon egg and cheese McMuffins in the town center of Medina?

10 posted on 08/01/2010 10:32:02 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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To: neverdem

Kill the Ground Zero Mosque

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjGJPPRD3u0


11 posted on 08/01/2010 10:33:40 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: hoosierham
Bloomberg is not now, and never has been,either a Republican,a republican,or a servant of the people.

He was a hard core life-long liberal who bought the office in the first place because he knew he couldn't win the rat's primary. Money bags isn't a native of NYC, but the shmuck got the City Council to revoke a two term limit on being mayor that was voted twice in referenda by NYC voters.

Even worse:

New York - The commission appointed by New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg to review the city’s constitution and put possible changes on the ballot this year is considering the option of rolling back term limits to two terms.

12 posted on 08/01/2010 10:34:38 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

NYT is a day late an a dollar short, but this is typical....=.=


13 posted on 08/01/2010 10:35:17 AM PDT by cranked
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To: neverdem

Give credit to Sarah Palin.


14 posted on 08/01/2010 10:36:05 AM PDT by upsdriver (ret.)
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To: neverdem

What Union will do the construction on this building?


15 posted on 08/01/2010 10:37:40 AM PDT by SHOOT THE MOON bat (Hey White House liar. Truth comes out a little at a time.)
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To: neverdem

Even crash dummy Juan Williams is against the mosque.


16 posted on 08/01/2010 10:47:30 AM PDT by Carley (For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.)
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To: hoosierham

“Bloomberg is not now, and never has been,either a Republican,a republican,or a servant of the people.”

No, but he is Jewish and Jewish people vote.


17 posted on 08/01/2010 10:50:05 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Helter Skelter. The Revolution is Upon Us.)
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To: neverdem

That heat won’t come close to the heat that’s gonna be applied to that house of cr*p should it ever be built.


18 posted on 08/01/2010 11:01:28 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Da Coyote

It’s interesting that Scientology is even dorkier than Islam, but at least the Scientology folks are mostly Hollywood types whose cojones are so small they’d make the Obamaloon look manly.


19 posted on 08/01/2010 11:03:54 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: cyborg; Clemenza; Cacique; NYCVirago; The Mayor; Darksheare; hellinahandcart; Chode; ...
http://www.nyc.gov/cgi-bin/misc/pfprinter.cgi?action=print&sitename=CHARTER&p=1280684570000


The New York City Charter Revision Commission will hold public hearings in all five boroughs to discuss and receive public input on the Preliminary Staff Report and Recommendations to the Chair of the Charter Commission, as well as other aspects of the Commission’s work. The hearing will be streamed live via webcast through this website.

Monday, August 2

  • Place: PS 58 - Space Shuttle Columbia School Auditorium, 77 Marsh Ave, STATEN ISLAND

  • Time: 6 p.m.

  • Directions: From the Staten Island Ferry, take the S61 or S91 bus to the Staten Island Mall stop.  Other buses that stop at the Staten Island Mall near the school are the S55, S56, S79, X17, or X31.  The closest Staten Island Rail stop is the Oakwood Heights station. 

***NOTE: THE COMMISSION WILL MEET TO DISCUSS COMMISSION BUSINESS FIRST AND WILL THEN ACCEPT PUBLIC TESTIMONY

This is the last meeting. The City Charter should be amended so that the NYC Council can NOT revoke, repeal or in anyway override the results of any referendum of the NYC voters.

I doubt Bloomboob would have been reelected had the voters known about his approval of this ground zero abomination.

Paladino changes his mind in race for governor

FReepmail me if you want on or off my New York ping list.


20 posted on 08/01/2010 11:08:35 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping!


21 posted on 08/01/2010 11:12:10 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem
He added: “The average American just thinks this is a political statement. It’s not about religion, and is clearly an aggressive act that is offensive.”

As do I.

The local community board has given overwhelming backing to the project, and the city’s landmarks commission is expected to do the same on Tuesday...

Sounds like the muzzie plan of infiltration is going along swimmingly.

22 posted on 08/01/2010 11:31:17 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Personal Responsibility

It’s not a two way street in the muslim worldview. Theirs is only one way.


23 posted on 08/01/2010 11:32:13 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: neverdem

We MUST use this opportunity to close the door on the mosque at this site!


24 posted on 08/01/2010 12:18:08 PM PDT by G Larry (Democrats: expediting the Destruction of America, before they lose power...)
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To: catbertz
Its so obvious that these Muslims are taunting the victims, their families and America with the name and location of this project.

Sure, its obvious to people with common sense, which rules out libs like the mayor of NYC.
25 posted on 08/01/2010 1:17:12 PM PDT by Dewey Revoltnow (Worst. Community. Organizer. Ever!)
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To: neverdem

Follow the payoffs.


26 posted on 08/01/2010 2:24:09 PM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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To: neverdem
He added: “The average American just thinks this is a political statement. It’s not about religion, and is clearly an aggressive act that is offensive.

Gingrich almost has it right. This is not just an offensive act.

It's a declaration of war with all of America.

27 posted on 08/01/2010 2:27:14 PM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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To: neverdem
This is a monument to an Isalmic victory in their eyes. Muzzies have done this kind of thing for centuries. Normally they like to build these things up on top of the ruins of their victims' houses of worship.

Bloomberg and the morons in NY are enabling this behavior.

28 posted on 08/01/2010 2:38:47 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; blueyon; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...

29 posted on 08/01/2010 4:04:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Personal Responsibility

I say it will be OK to build a mosque at ground zero one month after I attend a Christian service in a new church building in downtown Mecca.This is what I would call tolerance and until that happens I would tell them “Go fly a kite”


30 posted on 08/01/2010 4:11:20 PM PDT by saintgermaine
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To: neverdem
Can you imagine, every September, 11th, from 2011 and on.........as the families read the names of those slaughtered, they are drown out by the muslim call to prayer being blasted down the street.

I dare say that building won't stand long.

31 posted on 08/01/2010 4:21:22 PM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Carley
Juan.............................................................
32 posted on 08/01/2010 6:16:13 PM PDT by 4Liberty ( How do you spell "moral hazard"?: $ 19, 0 0 0, 0 0 0, 0 0 0, 0 0 0.)
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To: neverdem; All
The Obama agenda, a Congress out of control, Depression-style unemployment at over 9 percent for two years (not since the 1930s), BP Oil Leak, Rangel and Waters trials, Obama memo re: pushing through Amnesty without Congressional action/approval:

All of the above is why the GOP has a good chance of re-taking both Houses of Congress in November. And now, something like this can just further alienate Obama and the Dems from the average, everyday, working, Patriotic Americans and cause a revolt at the polls on November 2 that will make 1994 look like a picnic in the Rose Garden.

33 posted on 08/01/2010 9:05:41 PM PDT by no dems (Palin/Jindal in 2012 or Jindal/Christie in 2012. Either is fine with me.)
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To: neverdem; ThunderSleeps; SunkenCiv
“When I look over there and see a mosque, it’s going to hurt,” C. Lee Hanson, whose son, Peter, was killed in the attacks, said at a recent public hearing.

Please see Post #10 for the proper attitude to display to the enemy, Mr. Hanson. You have my deepest sympathy for your loss, but appealing to the sympathy of radical islam is just playing into their hands. Your statement will get a response from the imams that goes something like, "Hah! The Americans are weak crybabies, and we will conquer them easily, praise [Satan]!"

34 posted on 08/02/2010 4:49:13 AM PDT by TheOldLady (Pablo is very wily.)
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