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Rudy: Mosque is a 'desecration,' 'decent Muslims' won't be offended
Politico ^ | 8-2-10 | Maggie Haberman

Posted on 08/02/2010 9:56:04 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

This went way under the radar three weeks ago, but Rudy Giuliani made what, as best as I can tell, were his first public comments about the planned mosque near Ground Zero on the Jeff Katz show on radio (someone will I'm sure correct me if I'm wrong).

He takes a very hard line, including saying that "decent Muslims" will not be offended by the opposition because they want peace as much as others do.

I had been struck by how non-visible Giuliani, who is generally known as the face of Ground Zero, had been on this issue.

Here are as much of the quotes as I was able to cull from the temperamental audio:

"It sends a particularly bad message, particularly (because) of the background of the Imam who is supporting this. This is an Imam who has supported radical causes, who has not been forthright in condemning Islamic (terrorism) and the worst instincts that that brings about.

"So it not only is exactly the wrong place, right at Ground Zero, but it's a mosque supported by an Imam who has a record of support for causes that were sympathetic with terrorism. Come on! We're gonna allow that at Ground Zero?

"This is a desecration," he added. "Nobody would allow something like that at Pearl Harbor. Let's have some respect for who died there and why they died there. Let's not put this off on some kind of politically correct theory.

"I mean, they died there because of Islamic extremist terrorism. They are our enemy, we can say that, the world will not end when we say that. And the reality is it will not and should not insult any decent Muslim because decent Muslims should be as opposed to Islamic extremism as you and I are."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bain; bainmosque; cordoba; giuliani; groundzero; groundzeromosque; islam; mosque; muslims; nyc; nymosquee; obama; romney; romneymosque
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1 posted on 08/02/2010 9:56:08 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Sure, Rudy...sure.


2 posted on 08/02/2010 9:58:32 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Saw a story on F&F this AM, that the NY powers rfuses to allow a Greek Ortho church to rebuild.

Do we see a patern is this madness?


3 posted on 08/02/2010 9:59:37 AM PDT by Marty62 (marty60)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The man can articulate a position as well as anybody.


4 posted on 08/02/2010 10:00:08 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (DeMint 2012)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Well said, Rudy...magritte


5 posted on 08/02/2010 10:00:43 AM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: Artemis Webb

I’d sure feel a heckuva lot better today with Rudy in the White House.


6 posted on 08/02/2010 10:01:54 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“...”decent Muslims” will not be offended ...”

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Giuliani still doesn’t get it — “decent Muslims”, whatever that means, should be up in arms with those who object to the building of a mosque near Ground Zero.

WHERE ARE THEY????


7 posted on 08/02/2010 10:02:25 AM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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To: Marty62

Well that would offend the muslims by having a church near a mosque so that can’t happen. Duhhh!!!!


8 posted on 08/02/2010 10:06:24 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: 353FMG

He is “damning them with faint praise”, knowing full well that if there are any Muslim voices speaking out, they are *not* condemning “Muslim extremism”, but meechingly, “terrorism in general”, as if Christians, Hindus or Buddhists are also doing things like this.

However, it is also a rhetorical set-up, because if “decent Muslims” would theoretically be opposed to this, by definition, those in favor of the mosque are *not* “decent Muslims”.


9 posted on 08/02/2010 10:08:22 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: 353FMG

You’re the one who “doesn’t get it”. Giuliani is trying to make reasonable people understand what the problem is and that it’s not “racism” or “hate” to oppose the mosque.

He isn’t going to convince wafflers (wafflers vote) by saying, “There are no decent Muslims”. As soon people who might otherwise listen to Rudy on issues like this hear a statement like that they’ll go into shutdown mode. We are not trying to convince the political right of the logic of this. We’re trying to convince your average nimrod New Yorker.


10 posted on 08/02/2010 10:09:10 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (DeMint 2012)
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To: 353FMG

Same place they were on 9-11...


11 posted on 08/02/2010 10:09:47 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: dfwgator

He’s the only candidate from 2008 I’d like to see run in 2012.


12 posted on 08/02/2010 10:13:08 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Vote Jill Stein for governor.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

this thing is much more than a mere mosque. it is 15 stories and is a ‘cultural center’. there is no need for that near ground zero.

they can pray anywhere and few woould mind. why have a flop-house training center in lower manhattan?


13 posted on 08/02/2010 10:23:59 AM PDT by John Galt's cousin (Principled Conservatism in 2010 and 2012 * * * * * * * * * * Repeal the 17th Amendment!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

this thing is much more than a mere mosque. it is 15 stories and is a ‘cultural center’. there is no need for that near ground zero.

they can pray anywhere and few woould mind. why have a flop-house training center in lower manhattan?


14 posted on 08/02/2010 10:23:59 AM PDT by John Galt's cousin (Principled Conservatism in 2010 and 2012 * * * * * * * * * * Repeal the 17th Amendment!)
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To: John Galt's cousin
why have a flop-house training center in lower manhattan?

Where NO one actually lives!

15 posted on 08/02/2010 10:29:03 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: 353FMG

Am I reading correctly? You are in favor of a mosque being built 2 blocks from Ground Zero? Do you know what they plan to call such a mosque? Try the Cordoba Center. If that name is not familiar to you, it should be before you express any support to the new mosque. You see that was the name of a mosque built by the Moors in Spain after they conquered Spain. And if you think that it is a coincidence that they have chosen to use that name again, you’re hopelessly ignorant.


16 posted on 08/02/2010 10:33:31 AM PDT by ritpg
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To: Artemis Webb

I got it, alright.

How many “decent, moderate Muslims” have we seen since 9/11/2001 publicly condemning JUST ONE of the many murders, bombings and other acts of violence perpetrated by other Muslims worlwide? I repeat, JUST ONE.

Their silence should have convinced “your average Nimrod New Yorker” (your words) that the “moderate” Muslims that live next door are supportive of the Islamic mayhem that daily takes place in the world. If they don’t understand it now, they never will.


17 posted on 08/02/2010 10:36:55 AM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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To: ritpg

Where did you learn to read?


18 posted on 08/02/2010 10:40:29 AM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Just a note - non-Muslims are not allowed in the "sacred" cities of Mecca and Medinah:

"Restricting access to Mecca and Madinah is intended to provide a place of peace and refuge for Muslim believers and preserve the sanctity of the holy cities. At this time, millions of Muslims visit the cities each year, and additional tourist traffic would simply add to the congestion and detract from the spirituality of the pilgrimage visit.

Source: http://islam.about.com/od/hajj/f/mecca.htm

I think New York should be declared a "sacred city":

Restricting access to Ground Zero site to non-Muslims is intended to provide a place of peace and refuge for victims of Muslim violence and their loved ones and preserve the sanctity of a site bathed by the blood of 3000 innocent souls. At this time, millions of non-Muslims visit New York each year, and additional tourist traffic would simply add to the congestion and detract from the spirituality of any visit.

19 posted on 08/02/2010 10:45:11 AM PDT by In Maryland ("Impromptu Obamanomics is getting scarier by the day ..." - Caroline Baum)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Rudy showed he had “cojones” ( to quote Sarah Palin ) when he turned down a $10 Million donation from Saudi Prince Al-Walid Bin Talal after 9/11, when the Prince said that the USA has to examine its policies in the Middle East, which caused September 11th to happen.

He in effect told the Prince to take his money and shove it down his (you know what).

Later, Democratic Congresswoman, Cynthia Mckinney shows us how much spine she has when she published an open letter to the Saudi Prince, in which she wrote of her disappointment at Giuliani’s action and stated,

“Let me say that there are a growing number of people in the United States who recognize, like you, that U.S. policy in the Middle East needs serious examination...Your Royal Highness, many of us here in the United States have long been concerned about reports by Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch that reveal a pattern of excessive, and often indiscriminate, use of lethal force by Israeli security forces in situations where Palestinian demonstrators were unarmed and posed no threat of death or serious injury to the security forces or to others”


20 posted on 08/02/2010 10:58:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: GOPsterinMA
He’s the only candidate from 2008 I’d like to see run in 2012.

Unlike many posters on FR, who practically called Rudy the Antichrist because he didn't toe the line on abortion.

21 posted on 08/02/2010 11:01:58 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: bassmaner
Abortion, as horrific as it is, is the law until it is changed. I highly doubt that Rudy spends every moment of his existence dreaming of abortions. There are those that do, for sure; I don't see Rudy being one of those ghouls.

He would make a damn fine president.

Would the same people that call Rudy the Antichrist call Ronald Reagan the same because he signed the nation's first 'No-Fault' divorce laws into effect as governor of CA? Seems to me RR worked out pretty well.

22 posted on 08/02/2010 11:16:33 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Vote Jill Stein for governor.)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

Unfortuantely, conservatives in the hysteria of the momement seem to have abandoned the first amendment and property rights. Muslims or Nazis or Communists or Militia members should have a right to build wherever they want if they can find a willing seller and no contracts are violated. Flame away.


23 posted on 08/02/2010 11:21:35 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: 353FMG

It doesn’t matter. In the United States, we (allegedly) are dedicated to the first amendment and property rights. That means that anyone (including you hate) should be able to ue their property as they see fit.


24 posted on 08/02/2010 11:23:23 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

I hope that the First Amendment and property rights will protect you when sharia law is established. The First Amendment was written to benefit people and not an ideology.


25 posted on 08/02/2010 11:29:56 AM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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To: 353FMG

According to your theory, we should ALSO destroy the first amendment and property rights of others who hate liberty such as socialists, fascists, etc. Be careful what you wish for because you will only give a rope to those who want to hang you on the same basis.


26 posted on 08/02/2010 11:44:06 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: GOPsterinMA

“He’s the only candidate from 2008 I’d like to see run in 2012.”

While I commend Rudy for going against the mosque, he’s still a liberal in everything else, except for defense.

Surely we can find many better candidates who are pro-defense AND conservative on other issues.


27 posted on 08/02/2010 12:28:40 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: bassmaner

” he didn’t toe the line on abortion.”

And that’s a big deal - over one million unborn babies killed each and every year, either burned with saline, sucked out, ripped apart, etc..

Plus, that’s not the only liberal stance Rudy has.


28 posted on 08/02/2010 12:33:07 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Marty62

“Saw a story on F&F this AM, that the NY powers rfuses to allow a Greek Ortho church to rebuild.”

I’m not surprised. The reason they wanted to build this is because it IS a MOSQUE.

Liberal MENTALity dictates that we make nice with groups that have killed 3,000 Americans in around 30 minutes.


29 posted on 08/02/2010 12:37:25 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; Perdogg

This could work:

http://famousdc.com/2009/12/02/zombie-reagan-raised-from-the-grave-to-lead-gop/


30 posted on 08/02/2010 12:38:50 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Vote Jill Stein for governor.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

We need a massive Tea Party on this site that involves throwing large amounts of pork products before it’s too late.


31 posted on 08/02/2010 1:12:35 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Sun

Strange that you apparently regard the selective trampling upon of property rights and the first amendment as a “conservative issue.” When big brother does the same thing to you, however, will you still be so willing to tak this position?


32 posted on 08/02/2010 1:15:20 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: GOPsterinMA

Ah, but this would be better: Duncan Hunter, Palin, Bachmann, DeMint, Jindal, Paul Ryan, and more. All pro-LIFE, pro-2nd amendment, etc., UNLIKE RUDY.


33 posted on 08/02/2010 2:11:53 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Captain Kirk

“National defense is the priority job of the national government. Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution lists 17 separate powers that are granted to the Congress.”

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2010/06/A-Constitutional-Basis-for-Defense

Protecting American lives is even more important than giving our enemies “property rights,” like Imam Rauf. He should be put on the terrorist watch list, at the VERY least. What do they do with spies? What do they do with treasonous people?

Why is Imam Rauf (who wants to build the mosque) dangerous?

“July 31, 2010
Bin Laden/Al Qaeda Funding Ground Zero Mosque Imam Rauf
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Think about this. The duplicitous Imam erecting a triumphal mosque in the shadow of what were the world’s tallest buildings for a time, is funded by the very same Islamic supremacists who attacked and brought down those two buildings ..”

more http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/07/terror-finded-ground-zero-mosque-imam-raufs-bin-laden-link.html


34 posted on 08/02/2010 2:24:00 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

A lot of people think your views are “dangerous” too and, from their standpoint, they may be riht. You’ll be grateful when the same non-selective civil libertarians stand up from those who would deny you to exercise your “dangerous” rights..


35 posted on 08/02/2010 2:29:56 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

Only terrorists, and libs would consider my views as dangerous, and I like that.

I don’t even think that YOU view my ideas as dangerous.


36 posted on 08/02/2010 3:22:06 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

Paul Ryan is the best choice.


37 posted on 08/02/2010 3:39:04 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Vote Jill Stein for governor.)
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To: GOPsterinMA

Even better than Rudy? (Just teasing, of course.)


38 posted on 08/02/2010 4:16:07 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun
I'd give him a pass if he committed to ending Roe/Wade. Based on his performance as a US Attorney and especially as Mayor of NYC, he wouldn't take sh*t from Muzzies and would also be pro-business and for lower taxes. Based on that, I'd give him the nod.

A Guiliani/Ryan ticket (again, Rudy would have to be willing to end Roe/Wade)??? That would be a truly kick-ass ticket! That's 16 years of GOP presidency right there.

39 posted on 08/02/2010 4:28:00 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Vote Jill Stein for governor.)
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To: Sun

The difference between you and me is that you apparently trust the people in power (like Obama and Bloomberg???) to make decisions about who is dangerous. I, on the other hand, trust tried and true rules like the first amendment and property rights.


40 posted on 08/02/2010 5:09:35 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Sun

Okay then, why don’t you propose a constitutional revision stating that everyone has first amendment and property rights “except for Muslims or people the government has decided as dangerous?” That’s the honest way. Better that, than trusting the New York City Council, Governor Patterson, or some other politician to decide. Deal?


41 posted on 08/02/2010 5:13:26 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: GOPsterinMA

I’m glad you realize how important the life issue is.

But when it comes to Rudy, he is liberal in other ways like our 2nd amendment rights, is pro ILLEGAL immigration, etc..

But yes, the life issue is the most important.


42 posted on 08/02/2010 5:26:01 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Captain Kirk

Bloomers and Obama only want free-speech for the left and terrorists.

Hey, I think you might enjoy this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2562406/posts?q=1&;page=1

You might have a lot in common with the Daily Kos.


43 posted on 08/02/2010 5:31:47 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

Overall, Paul Ryan is the best choice. He’s articulate, a fresh face, has good ideas and doesn’t have a ton of negatives built up against him.


44 posted on 08/02/2010 5:57:27 PM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Vote Jill Stein for governor.)
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To: ritpg

If my memory serves me corect, when the Christians took Spain back, it built a cathredral on the site of the mosque.


45 posted on 08/02/2010 6:09:45 PM PDT by Biggirl (AZ Is DOING THE JOB The Feds Should Be Doing, ENFORCING The Southern Border! =^..^=)
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To: dfwgator
I’d sure feel a heckuva lot better today with Rudy in the White House

Who wouldn't???? Oh, wait! Silly me, how could I forget? The majority of Freepers wouldn't.

46 posted on 08/03/2010 8:49:54 AM PDT by EnquiringMind
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To: Captain Kirk

I don’t know what you are trying to prove, but what if we had given Naziism 1st Amendment rights in WWII and communism during the cold war?

Read up what we did with nazi spies caught in the US in the 40s and the Rosenbergs in the 50s — we hanged the nazis and electrocuted the Rosenbergs. Again, rights are to be enjoyed by people but not by an ideology, Islam, that aims to destroy the very rights that currently protect them.

Perhaps we should have given them 1st Amendment rights. Go at it and see what happens to your kids (and those rights).


47 posted on 08/03/2010 5:21:15 PM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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To: 353FMG

Let me get this right. You would deny both Nazis and Communists the first amendment and property rights? Is that what you are saying? If so, why not stop there and extend the ban to socialists, supporters of Obamacare, Confederate nationalists, and others who reject our constituitonal system. If you don’t pursue the logic of this argument, you don’t have a leg to stand on.


48 posted on 08/03/2010 8:51:37 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: EnquiringMind

It became majority for sure after anyone that supported him was banned.


49 posted on 08/03/2010 8:58:29 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: Captain Kirk

Rights aren’t absolute. However the 1st is fairly clear. I’d have it ammended to exclude mohamadism of any kind.


50 posted on 08/03/2010 9:00:04 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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