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Strikes bring storm clouds to Greece
FT ^ | 2 Aug 10 | Kerin Hope

Posted on 08/02/2010 4:16:37 PM PDT by SkyPilot

Greece’s olive-clad hillsides and turquoise sea gleam as enticingly as ever under the hot August sun.

But the country’s image as a relaxed Mediterranean destination has been taking a beating.

Thousands of tourists were stuck beside the hotel pool last week because of a truckers’ strike that shut down petrol stations across the country.

The strikes also triggered a wave of last-minute cancellations by Greeks in advance of the August break – the busiest period of the tourist season.

“The strike’s been suspended – but the cancellations still stand. It’s turning out to be a very difficult season,” said Yannis Economou, a hotelier on the island of Crete.

Repeated strikes, including action by merchant marine engineers that spread to tourist ferries in June, anti-austerity riots and a negative press in Germany – the main feeder market for Greek tourism, along with the UK – have dealt a blow to the ­country’s biggest industry at a time when its contribution to the economy is more important than ever.

Greece normally attracts about 14m tourists annually, with one-third coming from Germany and the UK. But this year visitor numbers are projected to fall by about 3.5 per cent and revenues by 10 per cent, according to tour operators and hoteliers.

As Greece’s fiscal crisis deepened, Germany’s tabloid press pilloried Greeks as lazy ouzo-drinkers seeking financial aid from hard-working north European partners in order to stave off bankruptcy.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: financial; greece; strikes
As Greece’s fiscal crisis deepened, Germany’s tabloid press pilloried Greeks as lazy ouzo-drinkers seeking financial aid from hard-working north European partners in order to stave off bankruptcy.

Ouch! That's gotta leave a mark.

As someone who lived in Germany for over 4 years, and spent some time in Crete, I have to say there is a lot of truth to what the German tabloid press said, and everyone in Europe knows it. I guess it is just sort of leaking out into the open.

Not every German, Dane, or Norwegian is hard working, and not every Greek is lazy, but the cultural divide between northern Europe and Club-Med is pretty substantial. If you haven't seen it first hand, it is incredible.


1 posted on 08/02/2010 4:16:45 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
Greece's bailout was a temporary measure....Greece will implode and soon, then the Domino Effect begins.....
2 posted on 08/02/2010 4:19:41 PM PDT by cranked
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To: cranked


3 posted on 08/02/2010 4:22:20 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

>> Germany’s tabloid press pilloried Greeks as lazy ouzo-drinkers

I MUST SPEAK OUT AGAINST THIS SLANDEROUS FALSEHOOD!

They ALSO drink retsina.

In fact, probably more retsina than ouzo.

The hangovers come complete with vicious headache — which makes you grumpy the next morning at your union/government job.

And don’t even get me started on the Cretans and their raki...

(the lazy part of the rip is pretty accurate though)


4 posted on 08/02/2010 4:22:46 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: SkyPilot

What they don’t mention is that throughout the 80’s, and 90’s (don’t know about the ‘00’s) Germany made heavy use og Greek guest worker programs.

It is nice you show pictures of old men from an era that is dying out.

Make no mistake I am not excusing the mess of the Greeks own creation. The corrupt government cronyism. The insane social programs. Hyper taxation which forces people to shelter income via bribes etc. TWO illegal alien amnesties. The list goes on.

Somebody made money on those bonds and it certainly was not the Greeks...


5 posted on 08/02/2010 4:23:29 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Nervous Tick
Germans at their place of employment

Greeks at their place of employment

**Just kidding, but you know what I mean :^>

6 posted on 08/02/2010 4:27:03 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
The stereotype of the hard working German is just that - a stereotype. In fact, Germans are lazy loud and arrogant A-Holes. They don't spend a dime on defense and get defensive and cry the blues when they are reminded of their recent monstrous history.

Their unions invented the month long vacation and other assorted silliness. They imported millions of foreign workers to work in their factories without planning for their assimilation. They are prone to forcefully colonizing other nations to do their work when it suits them.

At some point we will just have to kick their lazy asses again into the ground once more.

7 posted on 08/02/2010 4:27:53 PM PDT by eleni121 (But now, he that has a moneybag take it; without a sword let him sell his garment, and buy one.)
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To: SkyPilot

Well...
Some people just exist as if they will live forever.
I LIVE as though I will die any minute
ZORBA


8 posted on 08/02/2010 4:28:34 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: SkyPilot

You sound very insecure. Posting photos that are senseless proves it.


9 posted on 08/02/2010 4:29:12 PM PDT by eleni121 (But now, he that has a moneybag take it; without a sword let him sell his garment, and buy one.)
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To: longtermmemmory
It is nice you show pictures of old men from an era that is dying out.

Here are some young ones in action then.

I really don't get your argument though. Is it that Germans, through their own financial risk and financing, gave other Europeans jobs and paychecks?

So, they money on bonds. The EU taxed the crap out of the profit from those bonds. The Greeks got paid, the Germans made money. It is very capitalistic.

Again, I don't see the problem there. But, you are right about the out of control Greek social net. The Germans, to be fair, are not far behind - and that is the really scary part that no one is talking about.

10 posted on 08/02/2010 4:31:24 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: longtermmemmory

The guest worker programs started up in the 50s—you are a bit off.

The rest of it is close to the mark so to speak.


11 posted on 08/02/2010 4:32:10 PM PDT by eleni121 (But now, he that has a moneybag take it; without a sword let him sell his garment, and buy one.)
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To: nkycincinnatikid

The man who wrote zorba the greek was a communist. literally.

Read a label of “itallian” olive oil you will see it comes from greek olives. The worker and the dancers could easily have been both Greek.

If there is a lesson in this article it is very simple. Don’t trust unions. Obama worships at the alter of unions.


12 posted on 08/02/2010 4:33:28 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Nervous Tick
I MUST SPEAK OUT AGAINST THIS SLANDEROUS FALSEHOOD!

Opa!!

13 posted on 08/02/2010 4:35:22 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: SkyPilot

Those are pictures from anarchists. They are the same scum that protest all the G-X summits and the WTO summits.

They are the unemployed who are on strike.

in the glory days of the cold war the kgb paid them to cause trouble.

The american reporters stay in the Gran Britan videoing from the balcony ordering room service. Keeping the mcdonalds and everest and nine-west outlets out of camera shot. When the go out in the morning the american reporters buy a starbucks from around the corner. all out of video shot. (BTW you can still buy a fried apple pie at the mcdonalds in Greece)

(you do realize the picture on the bottom left has the letters backward...)


14 posted on 08/02/2010 4:38:52 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: eleni121
They don't spend a dime on defense

They spent billions of their own Euros on defense for 2009, and even more in 2010 (16.33 Billion Euros, which amounts to 21.5 Billion Dollars). In fact, their defense budget is so large (5.5% of their GDP) that it exceeds the 3 percent that is the cap by the European Union. Moreover, Germany contributed troops to Afghanistan, and even increased it by 850 more soldiers when Obama announced his support of the Gen McChrystal surge.

You must be very insecure to have to post made-up inaccuracies and your own "facts."

So, where were we.....oh yes. The Germans are lazy, loud, arrogant A-Holes, who "don't spend a dime on defense".....and what else?

15 posted on 08/02/2010 4:40:51 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Malone LaVeigh
Opa!


16 posted on 08/02/2010 4:41:28 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: eleni121

My experience working with German companies is that the senior managers organize and engineer the heck out of the work. The union laborers don’t have to think a lot. They just follow the plan. With a good plan, even the lazy ones can be productive.


17 posted on 08/02/2010 4:42:58 PM PDT by neocon1984
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To: SkyPilot

Something Beck Mentioned tonight.

>>Greece will be a war zone, Sect of Revolutionaries warns touristsSecurity forces fear wave of terror as austerity programme provokes strikes, protests, violence – and assassination<<

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/01/greece-war-zone-revolutionaries-tourists

I did some further digging on my own and didn’t find a direct connection between the sect or revolutionaries and the Kasama project but they do look to the sect of revolutionaries as the model they should follow.

The Kasama project is a communist revolutionary group operating in our colleges. They hold joint marches with the SDS and SEIU.


18 posted on 08/02/2010 4:46:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: longtermmemmory
Those are pictures from anarchists. They are the same scum that protest all the G-X summits and the WTO summits.

How do you know? Did you get their "anarchist" business card at the scene when they took the photo?

I mean, I don't totally know who these people are......but I think it is safe to say they are protesting policies the Greeks were forced to take after they had to cut back (and just a little, given the entire magnitude of what they are dealing with) on the socialistic give away programs.

These guys were listed as "Greek farmers," so you tell me.

19 posted on 08/02/2010 4:48:40 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Nervous Tick
I got stuck Chania for about a week. It was beautiful. Just stunning in natural beauty, and you could buy Gyros, Amstel Light, and charcoal grilled corn on the cob from street vendors.

But, per your photo.....yup.............that was pretty much about it.

20 posted on 08/02/2010 4:53:07 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot; eleni121
TripAdvisor Traveler Rating 3.5 of 5 stars Read 14 reviews of Teresa Apartments
Teresa Apartments: The bar (during greek night)
The bar (during greek night)
From Review: Great apartments, nice resort on Aug 2007, (El_Badgerino)

 

The above photo is most likely tourists. It is from the website of Teresa Apartments (hotel) in San Stefano Greece

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g775838-d618672-r45392684-Teresa_Apartments-Agios_Stefanos_NW_Corfu_Ionian_Islands.html

 


21 posted on 08/02/2010 5:02:26 PM PDT by dennisw (2012)
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To: dennisw
The above photo is most likely tourists.

Did you date/time stamp it too Dennis? I mean, this could be bigger than the second gunman at the Grassy Knoll. And it definitely proves that Greeks have never joined arms and danced. Ever.

I think everyone around here is getting a bit too defensive and touchy. What's next? Is someone going to cry "racism!"

I hope someone has Eric Holder on speed dial.

22 posted on 08/02/2010 5:18:13 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: eleni121

Well the Germans screwed up electing a Austrian usurper but they are not dumb enough to elect a muslim like idiots who watch mindless ballgames and reality TV like morons.

The Germans save their money and most do not live beyond their means.

The Greeks for all their faults fought Islam for centuries and did not elect one to run their country.


23 posted on 08/02/2010 5:26:42 PM PDT by Frantzie (Television controls the American people/sheep)
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To: eleni121

Well the Germans screwed up electing a Austrian usurper but they are not dumb enough to elect a muslim like idiots who watch mindless ballgames and reality TV like morons.

The Germans save their money and most do not live beyond their means.

The Greeks for all their faults fought Islam for centuries and did not elect one to run their country.


24 posted on 08/02/2010 5:26:56 PM PDT by Frantzie (Television controls the American people/sheep)
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To: eleni121

Well the Germans screwed up electing a Austrian usurper but they are not dumb enough to elect a muslim like idiots who watch mindless ballgames and reality TV like morons.

The Germans save their money and most do not live beyond their means.

The Greeks for all their faults fought Islam for centuries and did not elect one to run their country.


25 posted on 08/02/2010 5:27:08 PM PDT by Frantzie (Television controls the American people/sheep)
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To: Frantzie

ROFLOL!!!


26 posted on 08/02/2010 5:28:05 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: SkyPilot

>> I got stuck Chania for about a week. It was beautiful.

Crete is, indeed, a beautiful place. I prefer it to the Greek mainland. The populus is more conservative too, if you ask me.

If you’re ever back there and in the mood for a real physical workout, take the ten mile hike down Samaria Gorge. You’ll never forget it, I guarantee.


27 posted on 08/02/2010 5:30:27 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Frantzie
Well the Germans screwed up electing a Austrian usurper but they are not dumb enough to elect a muslim like idiots who watch mindless ballgames and reality TV like morons.

Heeey! We resemble that remark.


28 posted on 08/02/2010 5:33:24 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
Well the Germans screwed up electing a Austrian usurper

Californians did the same thing.

29 posted on 08/02/2010 5:34:37 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Nervous Tick
If you’re ever back there and in the mood for a real physical workout, take the ten mile hike down Samaria Gorge.

I did trek down to the ATM machine to gets some drachmas, and almost got run over by motor scooters. After that, I sort of stuck to the hotel. There was a nude beach near by (or so I heard).

The hotel manager would also not turn on the air conditioning. Ever. We complained.

He told it was "freezing" in the hotel, when in reality it was about 92 degrees. I later learned that the air conditioning is rarely, if ever, turned on there. But, in Germany, they think they don't "need" AC either. It is very rare to see AC anywhere there.

During the summer of 2003, they kind of acknowledged they were wrong.

30 posted on 08/02/2010 5:38:20 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: dfwgator

LOL!

It is a shame Hitler did not get jacked up on steroids, emigrate and become an actor. It might have saved Europe from WW2.


31 posted on 08/02/2010 5:48:22 PM PDT by Frantzie (Television controls the American people/sheep)
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To: dfwgator

LOL!

It is a shame Hitler did not get jacked up on steroids, emigrate and become an actor. It might have saved Europe from WW2.


32 posted on 08/02/2010 5:48:33 PM PDT by Frantzie (Television controls the American people/sheep)
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To: SkyPilot

>> I did trek down to the ATM machine to gets some drachmas

Want some more? I got stuck holding a bunch of drachma when they converted to the Euro. :-( Fifty bucks or so worth.

>> It is very rare to see AC anywhere there.

“But it cools down at night!”


33 posted on 08/02/2010 6:00:51 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: SkyPilot
IOW those are not Greeks dancing instead of working like the Germans are   ...those are tourists having fun going Greek same as these from the same Greek resort


34 posted on 08/02/2010 6:54:18 PM PDT by dennisw (2012)
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To: SkyPilot

You are busted! Those were tourists in Greece dancing. Not Greeks


35 posted on 08/02/2010 6:56:36 PM PDT by dennisw (2012)
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To: SkyPilot

just saying.......


36 posted on 08/02/2010 7:14:10 PM PDT by dennisw (2012)
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To: dennisw
Wow. So how much of your life did you waste with this project this evening?

I have some more homework for you, due by 8 am tomorrow.

Identify the ethnicity and citizenship of these dancers.

Assignment #1:

Assignment #2:

Assignment #3 (this also requires answers in essay format):

BONUS:

Outline five definitive uses for Windex (besides cleaning glass):


37 posted on 08/02/2010 7:16:34 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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http://www.greciancatering.com/The_Greeks.html

Your first photo is of Greek-Americans dancing in America. Another EPIC FAIL!!! For You. The rest of the photos look like German tourists. I’m not wasting my time w them


38 posted on 08/02/2010 7:29:12 PM PDT by dennisw (2012)
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The rest of the photos look like German tourists. I’m not wasting my time

Oh! Dennis! I am sorry, that will cost you.

The question we were looking for was "What are Greeks dancing."

Chad...you control the board.

39 posted on 08/02/2010 7:48:10 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Another German tourist!!! See what I mean!!


40 posted on 08/03/2010 5:25:19 AM PDT by dennisw (2012)
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To: dennisw

LOL - you win.


41 posted on 08/03/2010 9:21:44 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

The question we were looking for was “What are Greeks dancing.” >>>>>>

One Greek dance is the hora. Another one is the hokey-pokey


42 posted on 08/03/2010 11:29:04 AM PDT by dennisw (2012)
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To: Nervous Tick

The most conservative are yes..the heroic Cretans...but even more so are the Southern Peloponesians...the Maniates (Mani) and among them the descendants of the Spartans...I found some real conservative types too up north...the tea (ouzo) party types of Greece.

OK - they are all over the place.


43 posted on 08/03/2010 4:20:09 PM PDT by eleni121 (But now, he that has a moneybag take it; without a sword let him sell his garment, and buy one.)
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To: longtermmemmory
Kazantzakis a Communist? You must kidding...is that what your commie professors taught you? He may have flirted with Marxism —lots of intellectuals did esp. after studying in Paris—but he was a free thinker...certainly not a communist - he had lots of terrible things to say about Stalin eg. If anything he was a secular rationalist with a streak of fiery emotional independence. Perfectly depicted in Zorba

His epitaph says:
“I hope for nothing. I fear nothing. I am free.”

44 posted on 08/03/2010 4:28:05 PM PDT by eleni121 (But now, he that has a moneybag take it; without a sword let him sell his garment, and buy one.)
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