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Gov't Motors' Electric Edsel
IBD Editorials ^ | August 2, 2010 | Investors Business Daily staff

Posted on 08/02/2010 6:13:14 PM PDT by Kaslin

Industrial Policy: The administration's electric car represents both the genius of American technology and the stupidity of its government. Imagine Rube Goldberg with $50 billion. Buy now and get a free 40-mile-long extension cord.

It wasn't exactly Michael Dukakis riding in a tank wearing a Snoopy helmet, but it was close. President Obama, who reportedly hasn't driven an inch himself since taking office, visited a GM plant in Hamtramck near Detroit on Friday to drive a Chevy Volt 10 feet off an assembly line. It was a perfect image, as the American economy is being driven off a cliff by this White House.

The administration, at taxpayers' expense, has labored mightily and brought forth an Edsel that needs to be recharged. If a camel is a horse designed by committee, the Chevy Volt is a car designed by government. It is a perfect example of industrial policy run amok, of what happens when government picks winners and losers. Without heavy subsidies and government ownership, it never would have been built.

The base sticker price is about $41,000, comparable to the base price for a BMW 335i. For that price, you could also get a good-sized SUV that can seat more than four people and get all your stuff back from the big-box store.

There's a $7,500 tax credit offered by our utterly bankrupt federal government that's supposed to help, but even a presidential commission in 2009 said the Volt "will likely be too expensive to be commercially successful in the short term."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: automotive; autos; cars; chevyvolt; edsel; electriccar; electriccars; electricedsel; energy; environment; gm; governmentmotors; greencar; hybrid; hybrids; ibd; ibdchevyvolt; industrialpolicy; obama; obamacar; volt; voltfraud
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1 posted on 08/02/2010 6:13:16 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I’ve gotten mail from Nissan over the last several months (am a Nissan owner) pushing their own electric vehicle - the “leaf”. From what I can gather, it outperforms the GM offering in pretty much every category... and was not subsidized by the Federal Government.


2 posted on 08/02/2010 6:17:45 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: Kaslin

That thing is mofugly. As much as I thought this car was a true lemon, I’d take the 1972 Bel Air my family had over this monstrosity.


3 posted on 08/02/2010 6:18:01 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Kaslin
“The Dolt”, and I'm not talking about the car!
4 posted on 08/02/2010 6:18:06 PM PDT by goodtomato (I'm really, really blessed! I support Rick Scott and Marco Rubio 2010)
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To: Kaslin

The Chevy Dolt.


5 posted on 08/02/2010 6:20:03 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (We have, therefore, to resolve to conquer or die. - Samuel Adams)
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To: Kaslin

LOL!!

“Electric Edsel”

Absolutely love it.


6 posted on 08/02/2010 6:22:01 PM PDT by upchuck (Our margin of victory this November MUST ALWAYS BE greater than their margin of fraud.)
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To: Nowhere Man

‘With Assembly Plant Manager Teri Quigley riding shotgun, Obama drove the car 10 feet, a ride he pronounced “pretty smooth.”’


7 posted on 08/02/2010 6:22:29 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (We have, therefore, to resolve to conquer or die. - Samuel Adams)
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To: Kaslin
Here in West TN, last night the low temp was like 82 Degrees F. Anybody had an air conditioner had it churning all night. I don't think the grid can handle a charging heap of electric batteries on top of this kind of stress.

Somebody is going to get an ear-full when the blackout start.

8 posted on 08/02/2010 6:26:48 PM PDT by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has it limits.)
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To: Kaslin
If a camel is a horse designed by committee, the Chevy Volt is a car designed by government. It is a perfect example of industrial policy run amok, <<
LOL...anyone know how to “brick” a camel for more mileage?
..it's like getting an extra extension chord.....old joke I know..but the comparison is perfect!
9 posted on 08/02/2010 6:30:48 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: oyez

” Somebody is going to get an ear-full when the blackout start. “

That is, of course, assuming that they actually sell enough of them to have an impact on the grid...

I’m betting not.... ;)


10 posted on 08/02/2010 6:31:00 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: TheBattman

Is it possible that the U. S. Government engineered the
possibilty of toyota quality deficencies (later found to
be operator error) in order to push G.M. and Chrysler?


11 posted on 08/02/2010 6:33:20 PM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: Kaslin
It takes hours to recharge the vehicle, which for now must be done at home in the absence of recharging stations

Wow, that's just insane.

The darn thing won't even charge it's own battery?

You would think that once you kick in the gas engine, the battery would charge.

12 posted on 08/02/2010 6:44:40 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: upcountryhorseman

I’m not going that far, though the attempted lynching by the Feds was definitely political in nature.

That being said, not all of the Toyota issues were user problems (though testing has shown that mashing the brake pedal would stop ANY production Toyota, even with the throttle stuck wide-open).

Funny - even with the Toyota recalls - GM has had FAR more recalls in the same time period, and over their history, both in actual number of mandatory recalls and in number of affected units.


13 posted on 08/02/2010 6:46:36 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: Kaslin
If you read some of the comments at the IBD site, the libs seem to think that because the car is electric that it is somehow more "environmentally friendly" than a gasoline car and that it does not emit CO2.

These people are all morons. This car runs for 40 miles on coal and then when it's coal power gives out it runs on gasoline.

And what happens if everyone starts driving electric cars? The drain on the electrical grid will cause either a need for new coal powered electrical plants in every neighborhood or there will be rolling blackouts everywhere. I suspect that the libs would prefer to shut down the electrical grid to building new power plants.

Liberalism is a mental disorder. The Volt is a car built by morons for morons.

14 posted on 08/02/2010 6:53:20 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Kaslin
At least it is a “flex fuel” vehicle.....coal and oil!
15 posted on 08/02/2010 6:54:03 PM PDT by goodtomato (I'm really, really blessed! I support Rick Scott and Marco Rubio 2010)
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To: Izzy Dunne
It WILL recharge it's own battery, by the on-board engine generator!!

The “40 mile range” is ONLY the “pure electric range” —BEFORE the generator kicks in to recharge it—or charge it by the A/C line. This is known as a “PHEV” “Hybrid” as it has SOME “purely electric range” before the gasoline needs to be used to recharge. With about 10 gallons of gas—I would bet about 500 miles of range!!

I am NOT a fan of “electric cars” —but this IS a MUCH better idea—with a substantial battery pack—than the Prius. Had the EV-1 had this ability..probably 50,000 would have been sold by now--maybe more....

16 posted on 08/02/2010 6:56:01 PM PDT by Rca2000 ( " Call me a prude? maybe...but then,if there were more "prudes" we would not be in this mess now.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
You would think that once you kick in the gas engine, the battery would charge.

I assumed that also, but nope, it has to be plugged in for the battery to top up.

17 posted on 08/02/2010 6:56:10 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Uncle Ike

That is assuming anyone has any money and there is any real electric generation capability if the watermelons in the regime get their way.


18 posted on 08/02/2010 6:58:22 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Kaslin
"It takes hours to recharge the vehicle, which for now must be done at home in the absence of recharging stations"

Where does the eletricity come from?

(Note to Democrats: the correct answer is not "the battery" or "your house".)

19 posted on 08/02/2010 6:59:30 PM PDT by The Good Doctor (Democracy is the only system where you can vote for a tax that you can avoid the obligation to pay.)
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To: upcountryhorseman
Is it possible that the U. S. Government engineered the possibilty of toyota quality deficencies (later found to be operator error) in order to push G.M. and Chrysler?

It's not only possible, but very likely. It fits the pattern of the two-bit Chicago politician, and Obama is that.

20 posted on 08/02/2010 7:01:08 PM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
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To: Kaslin

The Chevy Dolt will be the perfect symbol for this failure.

Pray for America


21 posted on 08/02/2010 7:01:17 PM PDT by bray (Did Rush say Absolute Failure?)
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To: The Good Doctor
Where does the eletricity come from?


22 posted on 08/02/2010 7:04:46 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Kaslin
Even Edsels were collected years later.

The Volt will be melted down and used to can tuna.

23 posted on 08/02/2010 7:06:29 PM PDT by ryan71 (Let's Roll!)
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To: TheBattman
...the “leaf”. From what I can gather, it outperforms the GM offering in pretty much every category...

Including its name. "Leaf" is 7.8x10^6 times more green than "Volt", as the scientific illustrations below prove:

LEAF

VOLT


24 posted on 08/02/2010 7:06:44 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: ryan71

>> The Volt will be melted down and used to can tuna.

Those are going to be some interesting cans — lithium and plastic.

Really light, though. :-)


25 posted on 08/02/2010 7:09:15 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Kaslin
what kinda mileage does it get at -15deg???
26 posted on 08/02/2010 7:10:07 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: ryan71
Even Edsels were collected years later. The Volt will be melted down and used to can tuna.

Wrong. Because of the heavy metal batteries, it will have to be disposed of in a toxic waste dump.

27 posted on 08/02/2010 7:10:29 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Chode

>> what kinda mileage does it get at -15deg???

I r a engineer so I can calculate that for you.

How much do you eat, and how fast can you push a car?


28 posted on 08/02/2010 7:14:34 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: P-Marlowe

No worries. A/C will not be allowed in the future. Govt controlled thermostats will take care of that.


29 posted on 08/02/2010 7:15:15 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Kaslin
Do a keyword search for volt to see similar scathing reviews.
30 posted on 08/02/2010 7:16:10 PM PDT by CedarDave (Arrogant Obama on tax day protesters: "You’d think they would be saying 'Thank You!'.")
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To: oyez
I don't think the grid can handle a charging heap of electric batteries on top of this kind of stress. Somebody is going to get an ear-full when the blackout start.

I mentioned this back in '07 when the Volt first appeared in the Detroit auto show.

It should be interesting to see CA go from brownouts to blackouts.

31 posted on 08/02/2010 7:18:58 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Rca2000

“With about 10 gallons of gas—I would bet about 500 miles of range!!”

I’ll take that bet. How much do you want to lose?


32 posted on 08/02/2010 7:20:24 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Cobra64

I think it is about new taxes.

imagine how your electric bill will no have a road tax even if you are not stupid enough to buy an obamamobile.


33 posted on 08/02/2010 7:20:51 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Cobra64

>> It should be interesting to see CA go from brownouts to blackouts.

Particularly with that “BANANA” mentality they have out there.


34 posted on 08/02/2010 7:22:00 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Eat more spinach! Make Green Jobs for America!)
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To: Ole Okie
I assumed that also, but nope, it has to be plugged in for the battery to top up.

I consider that limitation a safety feature. Imagine the potential for carbon monoxide poisoning cases if these were left running for extended periods to charge in a closed garage!
35 posted on 08/02/2010 7:23:44 PM PDT by VAarea
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To: longtermmemmory

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36 posted on 08/02/2010 7:26:13 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Cobra64

Just wail until a “road tax” appears on people’s electric bills EVEN IF YOU DID NOT BUY THIS MONSTROSITY.

The volt is about taxation not transportation.


37 posted on 08/02/2010 7:27:03 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Kaslin

Are faggy low profile tires standard?


38 posted on 08/02/2010 7:28:48 PM PDT by seton89 (Use Amendment X as your email signature)
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To: steelyourfaith; Nachum; markomalley; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; ...

Ping


39 posted on 08/02/2010 7:30:29 PM PDT by raptor22 (The truth will set us free)
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Ping


40 posted on 08/02/2010 7:31:34 PM PDT by raptor22 (The truth will set us free)
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To: Kirkwood
No worries. A/C will not be allowed in the future. Govt controlled thermostats will take care of that.

They will control my thermostat when they pry it from my cold dead wall.

41 posted on 08/02/2010 7:33:22 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Kaslin
Gotta see this!!

The Chevy Volt Dance

42 posted on 08/02/2010 7:35:11 PM PDT by CedarDave (Arrogant Obama on tax day protesters: "You’d think they would be saying 'Thank You!'.")
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To: CedarDave
(I probably should be banned for posting that link. That GM-sponsored video was BAD!)
43 posted on 08/02/2010 7:40:10 PM PDT by CedarDave (Arrogant Obama on tax day protesters: "You’d think they would be saying 'Thank You!'.")
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To: CedarDave; All
OH

MY

G*D!!!!!



This firmly establishes the Volt
and all who buy it
as the
MOST "BUNDLE OF TWIGG"Y THING ON THE MARKET!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvwTMZNWGuk&feature=player_embedded


This is not a parody
This is a real commercial
you will watch in horror at the sheer stupidity

The sad part is Democrats think this would help sell this lemon.

This humiliates anyone who buys it


BUMP

44 posted on 08/02/2010 7:47:49 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Kaslin
If I believed their numbers it might make a cost effective commuter car for someone (like me) that drives much less than 40 miles a day.

Their specs from the GM website:
Full charge: 110V 15 amps, 6.5 hours
That works out to 110 x 15 x 6.5 / 1000 = 10.73 KWhr

My electricity costs (Progress Energy of SC): $0.10 per KWhr

Cost for a full charge: 10.73 KWhr x $0.10/KWhr = $1.07

Specified range on electric only: 40 miles
Energy cost per mile: $1.07 / 40 = $0.027 per mile

Even if I run the A/C (this is SC) and it only gets 20 miles to a charge I could still make my 14 mile round trip for about $0.05 per mile.

This doesn't take into account the purchase price or the cost of battery replacement and/or disposal. It also doesn't take into account the road taxes that I'm sure they will figure out pretty quickly or the rising cost of electricity if these really become popular. I'm not going to run out and trade-in my F-150 to buy one.

45 posted on 08/02/2010 7:49:11 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: CedarDave

the horror, the horror, the horror...


46 posted on 08/02/2010 7:51:58 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: CedarDave

Hilarious video.
Read the comments too.
Don’t care how ya cut it, this vehicle is headed for the heap. An anchor for any democrat.


47 posted on 08/02/2010 7:52:31 PM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: oyez

I understand that the batteries in the Dolt require a 240V source to charge them. Technically, 240V is not even available from the grid, but even at 220V, it only INCREASES the load on the grid. Brownouts, anyone?


48 posted on 08/02/2010 7:54:34 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: TheBattman

>> From what I can gather, it outperforms the GM offering
>> in pretty much every category...

Then you haven’t gathered enough.

After 80 or 100 miles, give or take, the Leaf is a shiny doorstop until you can recharge it*. Stop for gas every 300 miles or so, and in the Volt and you can drive indefinitely.

The first 40 miles are only intended to cover the “typical daily usage” of about 75% of Americans.

And that’s pretty much the whole point. Do you have a typical, <40mi/day driving pattern? You will rarely use ANY gasoline. Drive a bit more than that? You’ll use gas, but less than in a normal car. Need to go on a road-trip? No problem, just gas up.


* = By the way, the full charge on the Leaf takes over 24 hours from a 110v outlet. Volt’s 110v full charge is complete in 8-10 hours. Each can also charge from a 220v circuit (must be hardwired) in about half the time.


49 posted on 08/02/2010 7:54:42 PM PDT by Mike-o-Matic
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To: CedarDave

That made the rounds last week, except it was a copy made from the audience where everyone was snickering at the lyrics.

The 3 dancing girls are OK. Just turn off the sound.


50 posted on 08/02/2010 7:54:49 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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