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Twenty Cars with Better values than the Chevy Volt
Forbes ^ | 08/03/2010 | Rich Karlgaard

Posted on 08/03/2010 10:07:44 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

As everyone knows by now, GM’s entry into the electric car market--the Chevy Volt--costs $41,000 before tax breaks. After the tax breaks, you can happily drive one off the lot for $33,000 ... if you can ignore those guilt pangs knowing your fellow Americans have chipped in $8,000 to your new ride.

Welfare for the sanctimonious?

Meanwhile, back in the real world, there are plenty of great cars you can buy for less than $41,000 or even less than $33,000--and honestly. Here are my picks (in alphabetical order).

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chevyvolt; electriccar; hybrid

1 posted on 08/03/2010 10:07:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

THE AUTHOR’s PICKS...

Ten for Less Than $41,000:


Audi Q5

BMW 3-Series (Base Model)

Cadillac CTS Sports Wagon

Chevy Camaro Z28 (Coming in 2011)

Chrysler 300 (Hemi Model)

Ford Flex EcoBoost

Infinity G37

Lexus RX350 (Mid Model)

Nissan 370Z (Touring with Sports Package Model)

Toyota Sequoia


Ten for Less Than $33,000:

Chevy Silverado 1500

Ford Fusion Hybrid

Ford Mustang Convertible (V6 Premium)

Honda CRV

Hyundai Genesis

Nissan Leaf Electric

Mini Cooper

Subaru Outback

Toyota Avalon

Toyota Prius Hybrid

This list doesn’t even touch the rich recession market of slightly used cars.


2 posted on 08/03/2010 10:09:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

IF the Volt was the #1 car...I STILL wouldn’t buy it....on principle alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


3 posted on 08/03/2010 10:09:44 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SeekAndFind

It is obvious that one should not buy the Volt for economic reasons.... the numbers simply do not come close to adding up.


4 posted on 08/03/2010 10:20:24 AM PDT by ontap
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To: SumProVita

That too!!!


5 posted on 08/03/2010 10:20:58 AM PDT by ontap
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To: SeekAndFind
Welfare for the sanctimonious?

Welfare for the wealthy. Most of the buyers of this thing will be comfortably well off.
6 posted on 08/03/2010 10:21:24 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: SeekAndFind

‘08 Toyota Yaris sedan. I get 41mpg on average and the car cost me just shy of $13k.


7 posted on 08/03/2010 10:29:32 AM PDT by derekr44
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To: SeekAndFind

The problem with that list is that none of the cars can run on the smug self satisfaction that the Volt delivers.


8 posted on 08/03/2010 10:34:06 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: SeekAndFind
My 2005 Dodge Neon 5-speed gets 30 mpg CITY. when it gets below zero, my mileage falls to 28 city. And I don't have to plug it in. I had to plug in my 1977 Ford (oil pan heater) this made the electric bill skyrocket.

Is the electricity for the Volt free?

9 posted on 08/03/2010 10:34:13 AM PDT by BarbM (Portuguese Dog--Kenyan president)
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To: SeekAndFind
Ten for Less Than $33,000:

If you're trying to "Tread Lightly" on the environment the Volkswagon Passat TDI should be at the top of this list. It get 50mpg on diesel and doesn't have an expensive battery pack to replace every two or three years.

If you want to bump up the price up a little, my Mercedes R320 diesel starts out in the mid forties and gets 28mpg. Not bad for an all wheel drive full size station wagon. It will still be running after you wear out and discard several Chevy Volts. As a bonus, it's made in America with non-union labor.

10 posted on 08/03/2010 10:35:24 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: Malsua
The problem with that list is that none of the cars can run on the smug self satisfaction that the Volt delivers.

I have the smug self satisfaction of knowing that my Sequoia would squash a Volt like a bug in the case of a collision.

11 posted on 08/03/2010 10:36:19 AM PDT by kevkrom (De-fund Obamacare in 2011, repeal in 2013!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Every 40 Miles ya gotta mess around with a 220 volt extension cord. So its not worth it. I would just run on the internal combustion engine. But, its crazy to haul around all those batteries.


12 posted on 08/03/2010 10:47:08 AM PDT by olepap (God help us)
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To: Malsua
The problem with that list is that none of the cars can run on the smug self satisfaction that the Volt delivers.

I have a liberal friend who lives in San Francisco who is smugly satisfied with his Toyota Prius.
13 posted on 08/03/2010 10:51:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Retired COB

RE: As a bonus, it’s made in America with non-union labor.


Just curious, in what great state and city in the USA is the Mercedes R320 built ?


14 posted on 08/03/2010 10:53:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: derekr44
‘08 Toyota Yaris sedan. I get 41mpg on average and the car cost me just shy of $13k.

...and has much more room than you would think.

15 posted on 08/03/2010 10:59:56 AM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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To: Retired COB

I really want a diesel but it seems like Mercedes parts would be difficult to find, particularly used.


16 posted on 08/03/2010 11:03:14 AM PDT by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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To: derekr44
‘08 Toyota Yaris sedan. I get 41mpg on average and the car cost me just shy of $13k.

Same car I recommended for my daughter's first real car. She loves it. We've always bought Toyotas. We have a 2000 Toyota Sienna with 220,000 miles on it that we use almost every day and the engine is still going strong.

17 posted on 08/03/2010 11:04:06 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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Better value than the Volt?

Every car manufactured in the entire world....


18 posted on 08/03/2010 11:11:14 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (.)
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To: olepap

“Every 40 Miles ya gotta mess around with a 220 volt extension cord. So its not worth it. I would just run on the internal combustion engine. But, its crazy to haul around all those batteries.”

The design concept of the small engine is good but batteries simply aren’t there yet.

I always thought the best design for a fuel-burning car would be a small highly efficient combustion engine charging a battery/capacitor.

The engine would always be running at an optimal efficiency and power would be stored electronically to provide acceleration when needed.

Most of the available power in IC engines is only used for acceleration. If you could smooth out the IC demand curve with a light electric motor/storage system, the efficiency would be unheard of. Of course the DOLTS pushed this to be a “plug-in” car and gave it a tiny engine. *Facepalm*

Hybrids use this concept to improve efficienty greatly but battery technology isn’t available to make it cost effective. The “green” incentive is nonsense as mining and disposing all the metals used in current batteries would cause more pollution.


19 posted on 08/03/2010 11:15:03 AM PDT by varyouga (Obama doesn't care about white people!)
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To: SeekAndFind

A while back there was an energy/production expert on C2C.

Noory asked him about Cash for Clunkers and whether it was a good deal or not.

The reply was “H*ll no!! It’s better to buy a used rig, put a few bucks into it, then drive it till the wheels fall off.”

Energy/economic wise, it takes far more energy to produce a new vehicle than you can save by it’s efficiency/gas mileage.

All of my rigs (I have 3) are more than 16 years old and run like tops! But ya gotta be able to do the work...


20 posted on 08/03/2010 11:20:04 AM PDT by djf (They ain't "immigrants". They're "CRIMMIGRANTS"!!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Just curious, in what great state and city in the USA is the Mercedes R320 built

I believe that it's made in Alabama by true Southern craftsmen. It's easily the best car I've ever owned.

21 posted on 08/03/2010 11:42:38 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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I believe that it's made in Alabama by true Southern craftsmen

Just as I thought... my cousin lives near Huntsville and tells me that even the Koreans (KIA) and Japanese (HONDA) have established their car manufacturing plants in Alabama.
22 posted on 08/03/2010 11:50:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I wouldn’t buy air on the moon if it had Gov’t Motors imprinted on it.


23 posted on 08/03/2010 12:06:45 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is no way that the Camaro Z28 will be less than $41k. It will have a 556hp engine and compete with the 550hp Ford Shelby GT500 which is selling for at least $51k.


24 posted on 08/03/2010 12:31:31 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: SeekAndFind
'....The Polo gets 60 to 70-plus mpg....runs for 100's of tsnds miles.....'


25 posted on 08/03/2010 2:58:15 PM PDT by Koracan
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