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Lolo Soetoro U.S. Records - Allen v DHS State and Allen v USCIS - FOIA Releases Final 7-29-10
US State Department ^ | 29 July 2010 | unknown

Posted on 08/03/2010 3:23:40 PM PDT by bushpilot1

Recent FOIA documents reveal Obama may be Born in Hawaii.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; fraud; hawaii; lolosoetoro; naturalborncitizen; obama; usurper
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1 posted on 08/03/2010 3:23:44 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1
Boy, that first page is one bad copy.

The second, which is most relevant, is better.

2 posted on 08/03/2010 3:26:17 PM PDT by tired_old_conservative
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To: bushpilot1

forged...

they are doing a better job now.
That is actually done on an antique store 1960’s typewriter. They learned after Rathergate.


3 posted on 08/03/2010 3:26:38 PM PDT by Bon mots ("Anything you say, can and will be construed as racist...")
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To: bushpilot1
It's OK.

There's a workaround for this.

4 posted on 08/03/2010 3:26:38 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: bushpilot1

Uh ha, you bet. Sure thing. Did you know gullible was actually left out of the Webster’s Dictionary in 1994’s edition?


5 posted on 08/03/2010 3:26:42 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: bushpilot1

That make him no more Natural Born than any of the anchor babies being granted citizenship.


6 posted on 08/03/2010 3:27:55 PM PDT by digger48
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To: bushpilot1
That's great! So now is it asking too much for the arrogant jerk to release a document that we little people are required to release many times throughout our life times?

All we are saying♩♪♫
is give release a chance♩♪♫

7 posted on 08/03/2010 3:28:05 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: tired_old_conservative

They borrowed a typewriter from dan rather.


8 posted on 08/03/2010 3:28:17 PM PDT by maine yankee
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To: bushpilot1

So that is what a long-form birth certificate looks like, eh?

More smoke.
Where there’s smoke there’s fire.

Everything but a long form birth certificate... COLB, a website that says so, now some crappo document with no evidence of a birth, only a claim...


9 posted on 08/03/2010 3:28:41 PM PDT by Bon mots ("Anything you say, can and will be construed as racist...")
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To: bushpilot1

Ok, I buy it. So now we can see the Birth Certificate? ... uh, what do you mean it’s still “sealed” ... why?


10 posted on 08/03/2010 3:29:38 PM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (http://www.thepatriotsflag.com - The Patriot's Flag)
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To: CincyRichieRich
Did you know gullible was actually left out of the Webster’s Dictionary in 1994’s edition?

It was for just a split second, and I felt terrible afterwards, but you got me lol.

11 posted on 08/03/2010 3:30:47 PM PDT by Siouxz
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To: bushpilot1

What’s up with the l’s an 1’s one the second page. It wasn’t a problem on the first page. Why isn’t “united states” capitalized with Honolulu clearly is? Capitalization errors are a classic leftist mistake.


12 posted on 08/03/2010 3:31:12 PM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: bushpilot1
The last paragraph uses the term "united states citizen" which strikes me as just a bit more than strange, especially in a government document.
13 posted on 08/03/2010 3:31:56 PM PDT by Bob
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To: bushpilot1
The reference to the "son" being a U.S. citizen is an assumption not proved in this document. The clerk who typed the letter assumes it is so, but offers no supporting evidence. We still need the birth certificate.
14 posted on 08/03/2010 3:32:38 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Bon mots

Two different typewriters. The lower case “L” on page 2 is incomplete throughout.


15 posted on 08/03/2010 3:32:50 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: bushpilot1

Somebody ping Buckhead, we need him.


16 posted on 08/03/2010 3:33:06 PM PDT by Dacula (So long and thanks for all fish.)
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To: bushpilot1

Why wasn’t United States capitalized? Is that SOP for government employees?


17 posted on 08/03/2010 3:33:22 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: digger48

Agreed. Obama is not a natural born citizen.


19 posted on 08/03/2010 3:33:52 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

Last time I looked, MAY doesn’t mean WAS!


20 posted on 08/03/2010 3:33:52 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: bushpilot1

Last time I looked, MAY doesn’t mean WAS!


21 posted on 08/03/2010 3:34:00 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

Must be to trip up the Army Dr. who is on His way to court.
Just out of the blue, this shows up.
Yea Right

They lie, then deceive, call you a raciest, but never just show you the proof.


22 posted on 08/03/2010 3:34:07 PM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: LucyT; null and void; Candor7

???


23 posted on 08/03/2010 3:35:05 PM PDT by azishot (I can see November from my house!)
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To: Bon mots

I love those “L”s and “l”s.
Where’s Howlin? and Buckhead?


24 posted on 08/03/2010 3:35:22 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: bushpilot1

I call BS.

Fake

Deliberate and misleading

On purpose


25 posted on 08/03/2010 3:35:52 PM PDT by Dacula (So long and thanks for all fish.)
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To: bushpilot1

The birthers have their panties in a wad over this. But, not to worry, their collective astute legal minds are already hard at work, explanations are at hand on other threads and already appearing on this one. Forgers, antique typewriters, visiting Martians all play a role and will be exposed one by one. Nothing can stop the birther inquisition.


26 posted on 08/03/2010 3:36:03 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: bushpilot1

Benny Hill read a short story from an author who had the “h” inoperative from his typewriter.


27 posted on 08/03/2010 3:36:27 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: bushpilot1
"the person in question is a united states citizen by virtue of his birth in Honolulu, Hawaii Aug 4, '96'".

August 4, '96, the United States isn't capitalized? WTF?

How about just the phakin' BC!

28 posted on 08/03/2010 3:36:48 PM PDT by skimbell
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To: Dacula

Let us not forget, tomorrow is his birthday.

My leg has been pulled before, but not again.


29 posted on 08/03/2010 3:37:50 PM PDT by Dacula (So long and thanks for all fish.)
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To: bushpilot1
Why hasn't Obama simply authorized the release of his B.C.? Even if it were just released to a panel of S.C.O.T.U.S. judges; that would have settled everything, right then. The fact that he didn't take that one simple action; lends credence to the claims that he's not qualified for the office of President. Never has a “conspiracy theory” been so easy to disprove.
30 posted on 08/03/2010 3:38:06 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: bushpilot1

Seems like they are trying REALLY hard to prove that Barry is legit.


31 posted on 08/03/2010 3:38:22 PM PDT by AdaGray
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To: bushpilot1

My guess is that the evidence for Urkle’s citizenship is his mother’s assertion. Several of the documents linked speak of him as “...his mother’s child by a previous marriage...” which she saw and likely then modified her description of him by adding “...United State’s citizen...” to “child”.


32 posted on 08/03/2010 3:38:27 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: bushpilot1

Page number 000039 and 000047 came out good so where are the 6 pages in between? I could make this bad of a record.


33 posted on 08/03/2010 3:38:27 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: bushpilot1

M. L. Mix didn’t see fit to capitalize “United States”?


34 posted on 08/03/2010 3:38:53 PM PDT by BenLurkin (Will must be the harder, courage the bolder, spirit must be the more, as our might lessens.)
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To: Bon mots

Doesn’t change that he was an Indonesian student at Occidental.


35 posted on 08/03/2010 3:39:03 PM PDT by omega4179 (PREVIEW IS MY FRIEND)
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To: Bon mots
They got burned using the Abilene Kinko's, so they had to drive further out to the one in Sweetwater.
36 posted on 08/03/2010 3:39:11 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: Diogenesis

There has been a recent dumping of documents by the Obama regime.

The fact remains Obama is an illegal president based on his father being an alien.


37 posted on 08/03/2010 3:39:32 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I think he will release it with his Memoirs in 2014 He will be unemployed at the time and loves writing about himself.


38 posted on 08/03/2010 3:40:12 PM PDT by omega4179 (PREVIEW IS MY FRIEND)
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To: bushpilot1

Our kids birth cert. have the full year and then the typed out year.....hhhmmmm.


39 posted on 08/03/2010 3:40:18 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: bushpilot1

Interesting condensed history of this agency:

The State Department first established a Division of Cultural Relations in 1938. In 1944, it was placed under the direction of the first Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs. What is now known as the Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs was formerly established on April 17th, 1960, after previously being labeled the Bureau of International Cultural Relations in 1959. The Bureau functioned as part of the State Department until 1978 when its functions were transferred to the International Communications Agency (later the US Information Agency). However, the Bureau was transferred back into the State Department when the USIA was merged into the Department of State in 1999.

When this “document” was produced, the department was called “The Bureau of International Cultural Relations”.

I think the letter is a fake......


40 posted on 08/03/2010 3:42:34 PM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: mountainlion

The pages posted are located in the link provided. There are over 100 pages in the released documents regarding Mr. Soetoro’s US State Department applications for a visa.


41 posted on 08/03/2010 3:42:38 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

Stanley Ann Dunham knew she was in a fix when her child was born outside the U.S. She risked having his entrance into the U.S. barred and a lifetime of complicated paperwork in order to travel in and out of the U.S. Together with her parents she conspired to feign the birth of the child on US soil so as to avoid the lengthy and complicated process of acquire citizenship for the child. The process was rather simple. They placed a couple of announcements in local papers to imply that he had been born in Hawaii. When mother and child were well enough to travel, they returned to Hawaii, acquired the certificate of live birth, and have perpetuated the myth until this day. If they lied to get a certificate of live birth in order to falsely claim citizenship, doesn’t it make sense that they would continue to lie in order to perpetuate the first lie? This document means nothing except that they were able successfully to pull off the original lie. The absence of the birth certificate continues to point to the original fraud.


42 posted on 08/03/2010 3:42:51 PM PDT by Juan Medén
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To: Myrddin
The reference to the "son" being a U.S. citizen is an assumption not proved in this document. The clerk who typed the letter assumes it is so, but offers no supporting evidence.

I think this is important and worth noting.

If you read the entire file of documents to understand how they were going about things, one would conclude that most likely the information in this memo was obtained by calling Ann and asking her, and then looking at the INA statute and typing out the memo to file.

There is no reason to think anyone contacted the State of Hawaii vital statistics department to actually see any original documents.

And doing that would have been beyond the scope of what they were trying to figure out. They were trying to determine whether Lolo should be granted a waiver or extension of his visa. Part of that is trying to understand his family situation.

As one can see in the file, most of the relevant information they got from talking to Lolo or to Ann or communicating with the people at the center running the foreign exchange student program.

43 posted on 08/03/2010 3:43:26 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: bushpilot1

What letterhead was this written on? If it was governmental it would be identified on the masthead, and the author of the “letter” would be identified by his title or position.

This looks pretty bogus.


44 posted on 08/03/2010 3:43:54 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: bushpilot1

From the 40th document of the link dated 8/21/1967:

There is nothing in the file to document the status of the spouse’s son. Please inquire into his citizenship and residence status.....


45 posted on 08/03/2010 3:44:33 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Why hasn't Obama simply authorized the release of his B.C.?

First, because he doesn't have to. Second, it is far more useful to let his enemies (us) continue to tilt at windmills.

46 posted on 08/03/2010 3:44:50 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: bushpilot1

I would be curious to FOIA all of the documents typed up by William Mix one year prior and one year after this letter... and determine if a substantial number are missing the 1 and the l keys...


47 posted on 08/03/2010 3:45:43 PM PDT by rwilson99
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To: bushpilot1; moder_ator

The title at the article link is as follows:

“Lolo Soetoro U.S. Records - Allen v DHS State and Allen v USCIS - FOIA Releases Final 7-29-10”

The headline on this thread is a complete fabrication, and should be changed, or the thread should be pulled.The title is grossly misleading and a complete fabrication to support disinformation about the issue.


48 posted on 08/03/2010 3:45:55 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes......is fascist... ..He meets every diagnostic of history.)
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To: bushpilot1
Typed on an IBM Selectric II?
 
Smells like Ra th ergate


49 posted on 08/03/2010 3:46:34 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: centurion316

That document doesn’t prove a friggin thing, even if it is genuine.


50 posted on 08/03/2010 3:46:41 PM PDT by Venturer
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