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Tom Brock: Same-sex urges needn't be acted upon
Star Tribune ^ | Aug 3, 2010 | Tom Brock

Posted on 08/03/2010 8:15:42 PM PDT by DesertRenegade

John Townsend, a writer for Lavender magazine, wrote a commentary ("What I wrote in Lavender, and why," July 5) attacking me and the Catholic support group Courage, which I was attending. This is a group for Christian men who struggle to overcome same-sex attraction.

Townsend had lied his way into this confidential group in order to attend and expose my presence there. This was done because of my public stance against homosexual behavior and same-sex marriage.

It is true that I attended this group. But contrary to what Townsend and the Lavender article strongly implied, I have never engaged in homosexual behavior. An internal investigation by my congregation concluded: "We find no evidence from any sources we examined or people we interviewed to indicate that Pastor Brock had engaged in any physical contact or in a homosexual relationship of any type."

The truth is that I have been celibate my whole life.

Townsend also states that we believe "unrepentant homosexual activity damns to hellfire." I do believe this, as it is the teaching of the Bible and the historic teaching of the Church that persisting in any lifestyle of sin (not only homosexuality) without repentance and faith in Christ will exclude people from the kingdom of God (I Corinthians 6:9-11). Townsend states there is "psychological abuse" going on in this Catholic support group. No -- we pray together and counsel each other how to remain pure.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aids; exgay; homosexualagenda; sodomy
When the activist homosexuals are rebuked by one who has left their lifestyle choice it drives them crazy. Proof once again that they aren't born that way but it is clearly a behavioral choice. Homosexuals want us to believe that pederasts just can't stop themselves, or child rapists are born to molest. Tom Brock shows that it's all about making healthy choices and not choosing the homosexual deathstyle.
1 posted on 08/03/2010 8:15:45 PM PDT by DesertRenegade
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To: DesertRenegade

Amazing how liberals have such a problem with people CHOOSING to engage in (or not engage in) particular lifestyle choices. The author of this piece clearly does not wish to have sex even though he he has urges to do so. Why can’t liberals respect this man’s willful choice?


2 posted on 08/03/2010 8:19:39 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: DesertRenegade

Disgusting that someone would infiltrate a confidential self-help group in order to further a stupid political agenda.


3 posted on 08/03/2010 8:25:48 PM PDT by cmj328 (Got ruthless?)
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To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...
Brock is a pastor at Hope Lutheran Church, which is not affiliated with the ELCA. He was put on a leave of absence in June after being outed by Lavender, a Minnesota gay magazine. He has been an outspoken critic of the gaysbian hijacking of the ELCA, therefore I issue a:



Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

Be rooted in Christ!

4 posted on 08/03/2010 8:36:43 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: DesertRenegade
Apart from being attracted to the same sex, it's the same for heterosexuals who are single. It's especially difficult if you've been married. But I would never argue it's not a sin, and it is a struggle, at least for most people in a situation like that. Fornication is so common now that even a large number of Christians don't take it seriously and aren't too shy about talking about it.

One can argue slavery, animals engage in the behavior, and on and on. Fornication and adultery with the opposite sex are still sins. But more of a sin for women than for men lol.

It's not as if there aren't other strong temptations Christians should try with all their might to resist. Sexuality are only two of the ten commandments. So you get those right, you still have another eight. Unless we're freed from them. Think not, Jesus said the law was impossible to keep but that doesn't mean we don't have to at least try to abide by the 10 commandments. Or does it?

I know there are canned answers for everything but I was never certain what that meant for Protestants, have a fairly good handle on Catholic teachings. I'm also struggling with the Sabbath. I'm convinced it's Saturday but don't know how to keep it holy in modern life, no work or shopping on that day, don't light my stove, what? I know Sunday is the Lord's Day and is important as the early Jewish Christians continued to keep the Sabbath and met on the Lord's Day as well until they were excommunicated. From there, it gets murky.

I don't feel drawn to join one of the Sabbath-keeping Christian groups, only know a couple. But Revelation has something to say about keeping the commandments, so I assume there are still some somewhere that are.

5 posted on 08/03/2010 8:41:35 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: cmj328

It certainly is and one can see from this incident how jackbooted and fascist “gay activists” really are.

Homofascists, Gaystapo, Pinkshirts, the analogies are endless.

Its like 1984...”Gay Brother Is Watching You.”


6 posted on 08/03/2010 8:46:39 PM PDT by Nextrush (Slocialist Republicans and Socialist Democrats need to go)
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To: DesertRenegade

So let me get this straight; Now homosexuals are against other homosexuals who choose to remain celibate.


7 posted on 08/03/2010 8:54:44 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: pnh102
Amazing how liberals have such a problem with people CHOOSING to engage in (or not engage in) particular lifestyle choices.

It's astounding how hostile people get if you abstain from certain things. You don't even have to tell them that they should, or make any statements... all you have to do is comment "I'm not into that," and they get downright offended.

At the risk of putting TMI on FR, I once commented in a chatlike forum that I um... didn't really get the appeal of oral sex. They were going on and on about how women want it, need it, love it, etc, and I just said in passing that I wasn't into it, and Oh Man. Men were actually MAD at me. Snarling, snarking "What is the matter with you, are you a virgin, frigid, freakish, prudish? Never had it right, eh, call me, I'll fix you..."

When I reiterated that I hadn't lived in a bubble all my life and knew what I was talking about, not judging anyone else, just saying not all women are alike, not all PEOPLE are alike... it got worse. I mean, people got abusive. It was weird. It's like if you don't do something, they take it as a silent rebuke and they go off.

8 posted on 08/03/2010 8:54:52 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (I can see November from my house.)
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To: DesertRenegade

These despicable people with their homosexual agenda have been after Pastor Tom for a long time. They have twisted his words, lied about his church (which we have actually attended), and now this. This is just disgusting. They try to label him a hypocrite, but he is doing EXACTLY what Christ calls us to do. As Paul clearly told the church in Corinth, “Flee from sexual immorality.” Ummm, it seems to me that is exactly what he is doing.

God bless and protect Pastor Tom.


9 posted on 08/03/2010 9:13:31 PM PDT by Shelayne
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To: Aliska

Protestants believe you should keep all the ten commandments. By Protestants I mean conservative Protestants, you know, Bible believing ones. Liberal Protestants, like liberal Catholics, unfortunately seem to believe anything goes.

The basic Protestant understanding about keeping the law is, we keep it out of faith and gratitude and growing closer to God, walking with Him. It is a sign of our salvation, not the source. Keeping the law does not get us years out of hell or whatever. Jesus said, If you love Me, keep My commandments, so we do.

As for Sabbath, I do believe most believe that Saturday worship was changed to Sunday. However there is the Bible verse that tells us not to let anyone judge us about the Sabbath Day.

It seems most of the Bible believing Protestants believe the Lord’s Day or Sunday is kept holy by worship. But most reformed Protestants, or Calvinists, teach that you are to abstain from all work as well, except that of “necessity or mercy.”

Necessity being cooking food that would be bad for you raw, brushing your teeth because you really need to do it daily to avoid tooth decay, getting dressed so as not to appear at church in your pajamas, changing your baby’s diaper, locking the door at night. Mercy being visiting the sick, doing all manner of health care that is not postponable, swinging a baby to soothe him in his swing, rescuing those in distress, cleaning up after those who can’t clean up after themselves, etc.


10 posted on 08/03/2010 9:54:06 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero
Thanks for your response. I was raised Protestant, and when I grew up I didn't know what I was supposed to believe because most sermons were bland, meant not to offend any sinner, only one in time of great distress seemed to reach me which can happen. I learned a few things, of course, the Golden Rule in Sunday school and some bible verses, the one I remember the most is taking the sick man to Jesus, removing the tiles from the roof, and lowering him. Their faith was rewarded, and he was healed. I think that was the moment I first believed but had a long road to go, still do.

I like your take on it, am not sure what to do about it, the Jews used to cook ahead so they didn't have to cook on the Sabbath. But a lot of work is necessary no matter what your "sabbath" is or isn't.

From reading my bible, I got the notion we were supposed to try to keep the commandments, and Catholics essentially believe the same in their own manner of catechesis and worship.

Your last paragraph pretty much covered it. Jesus' example of gleaning and parable about the ox in the ditch are instructive and emphasize what you said. Only the ox was a beast of burden and not a pet. Most of us would rescue our pets.

There are some passages reflecting not abusing animals but I don't think they thought the same way about them as we do. I can't remember for sure, but don't think cats are mentioned once in the scriptures.

Evidently they're not. Are Cats Mentioned in the Bible?

11 posted on 08/04/2010 3:40:08 PM PDT by Aliska
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