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Son of Pilot Who Dropped A-Bomb Opposes Plan to Send U.S. Delegation to Hiroshima Ceremony
Fox News ^ | August 4, 2010 | Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 08/04/2010 12:45:04 PM PDT by Stoat

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To: gandalftb

Please add to my #48 a full agreement with your sigline. Go Pokes!!


51 posted on 08/04/2010 2:53:36 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: SanFranDan

Are you out of your mind? The Japs own most of Hawaii. Also, every time I’ve been to the Pearl Harbor memorial there are as many of more Jap nationals there than everyone else put together. Its a very popular holiday destination for them.


52 posted on 08/04/2010 3:37:52 PM PDT by dtrpscout (A bad dog is better than most good people.)
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To: Stoat

In the poker game that was WWII, the Japs thought they had an unbeatable hand of four Aces in forcing us to invade the home islands.

However, as only poker players know, you can never be sure your hand is good enough. And shortly thereafter we laid down a straight flush by hiding mushroom cloud up our sleeve.


53 posted on 08/04/2010 4:10:44 PM PDT by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: NeverForgetBataan

If gamers fought WWII:

tru_m4n: hi all
T0J0: hey
Stalin: sup
Churchill: hi
tru_m4n: OMG OMG OMG i got all his stuff!
tru_m4n: NUKES! HOLY **** I GOT NUKES
Stalin: d00d gimmie some plz
tru_m4n: no way i only got like a couple
Stalin: omg dont be gay gimmie nuculer secrets
T0J0: wtf is nukes?
T0J0: holy ****holy****hoylshti!!!111
*T0J0 has been eliminated.*
*The Allied team has won the game!*
Eisenhower: awesome!
Churchill: gg noobs no re
T0J0: thats bull**** u fockin suck
*T0J0 has left the game.*


54 posted on 08/04/2010 4:13:25 PM PDT by dfwgator
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...says the Obama administration's decision to send a U.S. delegation to a ceremony in Japan to mark the 65th anniversary of the attack on Hiroshima is an "unsaid apology" and appears to be an attempt to "rewrite history." ...an act of contrition that his late father would never have approved. "It's an unsaid apology," Tibbets, 66, told FoxNews.com from his home in Georgiana, Ala. "Why wouldn't it be? Why would [Roos] go? It doesn't make any sense. "I know it's the anniversary, but I don't know what the hell they're trying to do. It needs to be left alone. The war is over."
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55 posted on 08/04/2010 6:32:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Stoat

Yesterday, we presented a resolution honoring the award of a very belated bronze star to an infantryman who had been in the battle of Okinawa (Ryukyu) The allies suffered more than 50,000 casualties in that battle and Japan saw more than 100,000. Some have estimated that more than a million people would have been killed if the allies had continued their plans to invade Japan in order to finaly end the war. Instead, the bombs were dropped weeks after. Just gives a bit of perspective.


56 posted on 08/04/2010 8:05:49 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: Stoat

We didn’t start the fight: We just ended it.

That’s ‘cause we’re AMERICANS!!!!


57 posted on 08/04/2010 8:13:25 PM PDT by bannie (Gone to seed.)
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To: NeverForgetBataan

“They are lucky we did’t drop the damn thing on top of the Imperial Palace!!”

Damn straight! They thought was without their false god the emperor they would fight forever. I was watching History Channel and they covered the entire thought process about the bomb. The bottom line was that the jap government wasn’t so sure the people would even stop fighting. It took our bombs to convince the emperor to make his speech and there were still military officers trying to stop the speech and continue the fighting. Anyone saying the japs were near defeat doesn’t know the whole story.


58 posted on 08/04/2010 8:23:23 PM PDT by CodeToad ("Idiocracy" is not just a movie.)
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To: SamuraiScot

“if the Japanese High Command had been in possession of their own A-bomb, how long do you think they would have hesitated before using it against U.S. military and civilian personnel?”

Excellent question. First time I can recall it. They would have used it immediately. So would the Germans. It is war. This is why we try to be civilized and avoid war.


59 posted on 08/04/2010 8:26:48 PM PDT by CodeToad ("Idiocracy" is not just a movie.)
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To: dfwgator

That is funny. Copied, and will share at work tomorrow with a buddy who will get a kick out of it.


60 posted on 08/04/2010 8:45:07 PM PDT by BattleHymn
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To: BattleHymn

Here is the whole thing:

*Hitler[AoE] has joined the game.*
*Eisenhower has joined the game.*
*paTTon has joined the game.*
*Churchill has joined the game.*
*benny-tow has joined the game.*
*T0J0 has joined the game.*
*Roosevelt has joined the game.*
*Stalin has joined the game.*
*deGaulle has joined the game.*
Roosevelt: hey sup
T0J0: y0
Stalin: hi
Churchill: hi
Hitler[AoE]: cool, i start with panzer tanks!
paTTon: lol more like panzy tanks
T0JO: lol
Roosevelt: o this fockin sucks i got a depression!
benny-tow: haha america sux
Stalin: hey hitler you dont fight me i dont fight u, cool?
Hitler[AoE]; sure whatever
Stalin: cool
deGaulle: **** Hitler rushed some1 help
Hitler[AoE]: lol byebye frenchy
Roosevelt: i dont got crap to help, sry
Churchill: wtf the luftwaffle is attacking me
Roosevelt: get antiair guns
Churchill: i cant afford them
benny-tow: u n00bs know what team talk is?
paTTon: stfu
Roosevelt: o yah hit the navajo button guys
deGaulle: eisenhower ur worthless come help me quick
Eisenhower: i cant do **** til rosevelt gives me an army
paTTon: yah hurry the fock up
Churchill: d00d im gettin pounded
deGaulle: this is fockin weak u guys suck
*deGaulle has left the game.*
Roosevelt: im gonna attack the axis k?
benny-tow: with what? ur wheelchair?
benny-tow: lol did u mess up ur legs AND ur head?
Hitler[AoE]: ROFLMAO
T0J0: lol o no america im comin 4 u
Roosevelt: wtf! thats bull**** u ***s im gunna kick ur asses
T0JO: not without ur harbors u wont! lol
Roosevelt: u little biotch ill get u
Hitler[AoE]: wtf
Hitler[AoE]: america hax, u had depression and now u got a huge fockin army
Hitler[AoE]: thats bull**** u hacker
Churchill: lol no more france for u hitler
Hitler[AoE]: tojo help me!
T0J0: wtf u want me to do, im on the other side of the world retard
Hitler[AoE]: fine ill clear you a path
Stalin: u arsshoel! WE HAD A FoCKIN TRUCE
Hitler[AoE]: i changed my mind lol
benny-tow: haha
benny-tow: hey ur losing ur guys in africa im gonna need help in italy soon sum1
T0J0: o **** i cant help u i got my hands full
Hitler[AoE]: im 2 busy 2 help
Roosevelt: yah thats right biznitch im comin for ya
Stalin: church help me
Churchill: like u helped me before? sure ill just sit here
Stalin: dont be an arss
Churchill: dont be a commie. oops too late
Eisenhower: LOL
benny-tow: hahahh oh **** help
Hitler: o man ur focked
paTTon: oh what now biotch
Roosevelt: whos the cripple now lol
*benny-tow has been eliminated.*
benny-tow: lame
Roosevelt: gj patton
paTTon: thnx
Hitler[AoE]: eisenhower hax hes killing all my ****
Hitler[AoE]: quit u hacker so u dont ruin my record
Eisenhower: Nuts!
benny~tow: wtf that mean?
Eisenhower: meant to say nutsack lol finger slipped
paTTon: coming to get u hitler u paper hanging hun ****socker
Stalin: rofl
T0J0: HAHAHHAA
Hitler[AoE]: u guys are fockin gay
Hitler[AoE]: ur never getting in my city
*Hitler[AoE] has been eliminated.*
benny~tow: OMG u noob you killed yourself
Eisenhower: ROFLOLOLOL
Stalin: OMG LMAO!
Hitler[AoE]: i didnt click there omg this game blows
*Hitler[AoE] has left the game*
paTTon: hahahhah
T0J0: my teammates are n00bs
benny~tow: shut up noob
Roosevelt: haha wut a moron
paTTon: wtf am i gunna do now?
Eisenhower: yah me too
T0J0: why dont u attack me o thats right u dont got no ships lololol
Eisenhower: fock u
paTTon: lemme go thru ur base commie
Stalin: go to hell lol
paTTon: fock this **** im goin afk
Eisenhower: yah this is gay
*Roosevelt has left the game.*
Hitler[AoE]: wtf?
Eisenhower: **** now we need some1 to join
*tru_m4n has joined the game.*
tru_m4n: hi all
T0J0: hey
Stalin: sup
Churchill: hi
tru_m4n: OMG OMG OMG i got all his stuff!
tru_m4n: NUKES! HOLY **** I GOT NUKES
Stalin: d00d gimmie some plz
tru_m4n: no way i only got like a couple
Stalin: omg dont be gay gimmie nuculer secrets
T0J0: wtf is nukes?
T0J0: holy ****holy****hoylshti!!!111
*T0J0 has been eliminated.*
*The Allied team has won the game!*
Eisenhower: awesome!
Churchill: gg noobs no re
T0J0: thats bull**** u fockin suck
*T0J0 has left the game.*
*Eisenhower has left the game.*
Stalin: next game im not going to be on ur team, u guys didnt help me for ****
Churchill: wutever, we didnt need ur help neway dumbarss
tru_m4n: l8r all
benny~tow: bye
Churchill: l8r
Stalin: fock u all
tru_m4n: shut up commie lol
*tru_m4n has left the game.*
benny~tow: lololol u commie
Churchill: ROFL
Churchill: bye commie
*Churchill has left the game.*
*benny~tow has left the game.*
Stalin: i hate u all ***s
*Stalin has left the game.*
paTTon: lol no1 is left
paTTon: weeeee i got a jeep
*paTTon has been eliminated.*
paTTon: o ****!
*paTTon has left the game.*


61 posted on 08/04/2010 8:48:11 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SunkenCiv
Thanks Stoat.

 

You're quite welcome, and thank you very much for pinging your list  :-)

 Thank You

62 posted on 08/04/2010 8:53:34 PM PDT by Stoat (If you want a vision of the future, imagine a Birkenstock stamping on a human face... forever)
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To: Stoat

Google Operation Downfall, Operation Coronet and Operation Olympic.


63 posted on 08/04/2010 8:57:34 PM PDT by Ax
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To: Stoat

My grandfather helped to liberate the Philippines from the Japanese and was deployed there when the bombs fell. My mother, my aunts, myself, my cousins, my kids might never have been born had the war continued.

My brother-in-law (Navy Lt-cmdr) was stationed in Japan for a decade and married a Japanese woman. My father-in-law’s first interaction with her father was as follows - they naturally determined that they served on opposite sides of the war (my FIL was on his way over to Japan on a Navy ship when the bombs were dropped and his ship turned around), and were both very appreciative of the fact that rather than having been fighting enemies, they were now family.

The bombs saved lives, generations even, on both sides.


64 posted on 08/04/2010 8:59:25 PM PDT by agrace
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To: Stoat
Thank God we nuked Japan, and we should have done it sooner if possible.
For every Japanese that died in the 2 nukes, probably 5 were saved because the war ended.
And hundreds of thousands of Americans who would have died on the beaches of mainland Japan.

The people that have a problem with this, can go %$*& their selves. And then read some actual history.

Thank you Mr Tibbets and company.

65 posted on 08/04/2010 9:06:53 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I aspire to a large carbon footprint; just like Al Gore's)
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To: Stoat; potlatch; ntnychik; BOBTHENAILER; bray; snippy_about_it
My dad served on USS Saratoga (CV-3)--

My mom said, "Philip, everyone went down to enlist after Pearl Harbor."

A ravaging beast devouring Asia picked a fight with us and we finished it.

The Deviate Islamo Commie Kenyan (DICK) doesn't like the word "victory" because it elicits "that whole deck of the Missouri thing when the emperor of Japan surrendered"--

You wanna slaughter civilians, bayonet babies--then cry like a little girl when we kick your ass--

Get in the limo with Barry and Larry tonight, for you'll not find any sympathy for the devil here.

66 posted on 08/04/2010 9:20:27 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: Haiku Guy
When we issue an communique to the still-glowing pile of molten debris that was once North Korea, we'll look pretty silly if it includes a denunciation of the use of nuclear weaponry...

So when the police issue a communique to the public about shooting a murderer, they'll "look pretty silly" saying they shot him because he didn't drop his gun?

If we ever have to reduce North Korea to a glowing pile of molten debris, it will be because if we didn't, they were about to do it to us, or Japan, or someone else.

Or do you think all nation-states are morally equal, including North Korea and America? There are a few million North Koreans living on grass, without heat or indoor potable water who disagree with your collectivist dream. And about a hundred and fifty million murdered people who would also disagree, if they still could. But their communist governments didn't feel they were "politically correct" enough to stay safe from their death panels.

That's my little way of saying that not only don't you have the moral high ground here, you're also in support of murderous cowards. The only reason North Korea DOESN'T nuke someone is their belief we WOULD turn them into a glowing pile of molten debris if they did. That's called REALITY.

I think you're on the wrong website, chum. Run along back to DU - your ignorance makes you look pretty silly here.

67 posted on 08/04/2010 9:59:03 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Stoat

My brother was KIA on Okinawa. I was about tenth in line for new combat gear at a replacement center on the island of Leyte when a Lt. came out and told us to go back to our tents- the fighting was over. My memory was/is that everyone at that repel depot felt a great relief because we had been told the invasion of Japan was very close and was going to be very costly. Even though I also thanked God for events ,I wished the bomb had been dropped a few months sooner to end the Okinawa battle.


68 posted on 08/04/2010 10:05:20 PM PDT by noinfringers
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To: CodeToad; SamuraiScot

From Rush’s song “Manhattan Project”:

“Imagine a time when it all began
In the dying days of a war
A weapon that would settle the score
Whoever found it first would be sure to do their worst —
They always had before...

Imagine a man when it all began
The pilot of `Enola Gay`
Flying out of the shockwave on that August day
All the powers that be, and the course of history,
Would be changed for evermore.”

Thank God that we developed it first.


69 posted on 08/04/2010 10:16:30 PM PDT by 21twelve ( UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES MY ARSE: "..now begin the work of remaking America."-Obama, 1/20/09)
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To: Talisker

I think you misunderstood my point. Our policy should be one of massive nuclear response to the use of nuclear weapons. That is not a position that one maintains by occupying the moral high ground. It comes from occupying the high ground on top of a pile of nuclear weapons.

Communiques and denunciations are just silly posturing. If we were to launch a massive retaliatory strike against the Norks because they used their puny stockpile on somebody, nobody is going to care about our strongly worded letter that lands on top of the smoldering pile.

Similarly, I think we said what was really important about Hiroshima and Nagasaki back in 1945. No reason to add to that now.


70 posted on 08/05/2010 3:17:04 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be a slave...)
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To: PhilDragoo
Get in the limo with Barry and Larry tonight, for you'll not find any sympathy for the devil here.

Nor any sympathy here.

If I ever meet him, I'll have no courtesy and no sympathy and no taste.

He gives all his well learned politics, just to lay the US to waste.

71 posted on 08/05/2010 7:59:38 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (EPA will rule your life)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
I saw them do that in Chicago in 1969.

In Chicago. Is that not fine.

72 posted on 08/05/2010 1:09:58 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: Stoat

My pleasure!


73 posted on 08/05/2010 8:38:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: Stoat
I like the response that the curator of the Smithsonian air&space museum gave to the Japs when they requested the loan of the one in the Smithsonian for the 40th anniversary.

WE SENT YOU 2 AND YOU LOST BOTH OF THEM, YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS ONE!

74 posted on 08/05/2010 8:48:02 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: WellyP

“I stood under and walked around the Enola Gay at The Air and Space Museum.”

When I was there my wife’s nephew was on of the curators and he took us on a 2 day tour of the warehouses and the restoration facilities of unrestored airctaft in Silver Springs and the Enola Gay was one of them and I crawled all through it.


75 posted on 08/05/2010 8:51:55 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: PhilDragoo
I saw them do that in Chicago in 1969. In Chicago. Is that not fine.

Fine indeed---seen them 4 times and never once did they do Sympathy for the Devil---one of my all time favorites of theirs.

76 posted on 08/06/2010 8:21:58 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (EPA will rule your life)
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To: Stoat

He is right. The strange thing is, we now have the right (Pat Buchanan) and the left (all of them) beasically acting like we should apologize for the War. It is madness- and suicidal.


77 posted on 08/06/2010 7:01:22 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: PhilDragoo

[My dad served on USS Saratoga (CV-3)—
My mom said, “Philip, everyone went down to enlist after Pearl Harbor.”]

Your father served honorably and deserves our thanks.
I always enjoy personal posts by people, it makes things REAL. The world has changed since that time when people all loved and supported their country.

Sadly, it takes a major attack on us to bring people together. The future will tell..


78 posted on 08/07/2010 2:32:36 PM PDT by potlatch (<alt=)
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To: NeverForgetBataan

I agreee.
Japan war crimes included eating American prisoners “For example, an Indian POW, Havildar Changdi Ram, testified that: “[on November 12, 1944] the Kempeitai beheaded [an Allied] pilot. I saw this from behind a tree and watched some of the Japanese cut flesh from his arms, legs, hips, buttocks and carry it off to their quarters ... They cut it [into] small pieces and fried it.”[106]

In some cases, flesh was cut from living people: another Indian POW, stated.


79 posted on 08/07/2014 8:51:48 AM PDT by Dayatdabeach1791 (History is a bitch)
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