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Widespread fraud at CO Department of Labor (Illegals getting Unemployment Insurance in CO)
Independence Institute ^ | August 5, 2010 | Todd Shepherd

Posted on 08/05/2010 10:31:24 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets

“Independence Investigates” has obtained internal emails from the Colorado Department of Labor and Employment (CDLE) showing that a software control intended to prevent the payment of unemployment insurance to unqualified citizens as well as to illegal aliens was shut off in early 2009.

The emails dictate that former CDLE Director Mike Cullen demanded “Work Order 51662” be given top priority within the department. Completion of the work order would mean various questions asked of someone filing for unemployment regarding citizenship would effectively be ignored by a computer system.

The documents also show that several individuals within the department immediately raised the issue that the work order might be circumventing the law, specifically House Bill 06-1023. HB 1023 was passed in a special session of the legislature in 2006, and mandated that certain government benefits, such as unemployment insurance, be denied to illegal aliens.

(Excerpt) Read more at investigates.i2i.org ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; fraud; unemployment
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Taxpayer money intended to help citizens being pissed away on illegals. Make Mike Cullen pay out of pocket for the money lost, plus the labor spent sabotaging the software and the cost to fix it.

1 posted on 08/05/2010 10:31:29 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Colorado isn’t the only state that is doing this.
ALL of the states are p!ssing away our tax dollars...


2 posted on 08/05/2010 10:34:07 AM PDT by TexasM1A
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Dem Gov, Senate and House ... can you honestly say that you are surprised by this? My only surprise is that it was actually published in an article. Of course, it was not published in any of the Colorado rags....


3 posted on 08/05/2010 10:35:58 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Every State in the country needs to look at their policies concerning money going to illegals and publicize the results. Makes no difference if it is State or Federal money. The people have a right to know where their tax money is going.


4 posted on 08/05/2010 10:36:28 AM PDT by RC2 (Remember who we are. "I am America")
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Were the illegals paying for unemployment insurance?

If they have been paying for the insurance, I don’t have a problem with them collecting on it.

But I still have a problem with them being here illegally.


5 posted on 08/05/2010 10:39:05 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

In IL most illegals pay into workers comp, unemployment comp, social security, medicare, etc. As they become Americanized, part of becoming Americanized is to learn to get away with as much as you can. It isn’t a fould unless the ref blows the whistle is what they see as the American way. They just want to be like Miii.


6 posted on 08/05/2010 10:45:27 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
LET THE ARRESTS BEGIN

The CO state employees who were involved in this scam, first. Then the illegal-alien scum who accepted the payments.
7 posted on 08/05/2010 11:07:41 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: DannyTN
Normally, the employer pays for unemployment insurance through taxes levied by the State and Federal governments.
8 posted on 08/05/2010 11:15:57 AM PDT by Ferndale
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To: spintreebob
First of all NO employee pays into Workers Comp or unemployment. Those are taxes the employer pays based on the gross about of pay to employees. I doubt if ANY illegal had money contributed to unemployment since you have to report it with the social security number on a quarterly basis. Unless they stole someone's identity, they did not have a legal social security number.

Second point, people who employ illegals usually pay under the table and don't bother with niceties like FICA let alone unemployment and workers comp.

9 posted on 08/05/2010 11:36:25 AM PDT by McGavin999 (I'm sorry, your race card is overdrawn and no further charges can be accepted)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I expect KOA in Denver (850 AM) talkers will have something to say about this tonight.
Get yourself an outdoor long-wire antenna and find a good AM radio to listen to the “real” world.


10 posted on 08/05/2010 1:09:08 PM PDT by Siegfried
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To: McGavin999

First of all, people pay taxes, not companies. Every tax paid by an employer comes out of the employee’s (or customer’s) pocket. In my field of IT we all have the option to work as an employee with benies, as a W2 employee no benies, or 1099. The diference in rate between them clearly reflects that the employee pays, regardless of what the pay stub shows. Many illegals also work W2 no bennies or 1099 independent contractor and are well aware of the gross and net pay spread of each.

In IL the underground economy is not as big as it used to be. Most illegals do pay social security, comp, etc. Most illegals are using a social security number. Where they get their SSN varies. It is amazing the number of anchor babies who have a SSN and are making $20,000.

Many illegals borrow the number of some other family member, or friend.

Most of the many illegals I’ve worked beside in IT work for consulting firms. The consulting firm will have 1 valid SSN and send 2 or 3 people out with the same number, each to a different consulting client.

And, of course, a small percentage buy a bogus number on the street or make up a number out of thin air. Some of those numbers have never been issued, some are of a dead person, some of a person alive and not working (children, elderly, welfare, etc). Only a few are SSN of a person who is working and for whom it becomes a problem.

(I have vast experience with illegals in IL. A fleeting experience in other midwest states, TX and Mex. I don’t pretend to speak for other areas.)


11 posted on 08/05/2010 2:48:59 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: spintreebob
Well I have probably a LOT more experience with illegals then you do since I live and work (as an accountant) in Arizona. So I know what taxes are paid and what is being done under table.

I'd say 75% is under the table and identity theft is a major problem in this country and the identity thieves are usually illegals.

12 posted on 08/05/2010 3:32:55 PM PDT by McGavin999 (I'm sorry, your race card is overdrawn and no further charges can be accepted)
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To: spintreebob
Most of the many illegals I’ve worked beside in IT work for consulting firms. The consulting firm will have 1 valid SSN and send 2 or 3 people out with the same number, each to a different consulting client.

Wait a minute, you KNEW these people were illegals and working under false ID and you didn't report them? You cared so little about your fellow Americans that you winked at illegals taking their jobs and did nothing?

13 posted on 08/05/2010 3:35:45 PM PDT by McGavin999 (I'm sorry, your race card is overdrawn and no further charges can be accepted)
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To: DannyTN
Were the illegals paying for unemployment insurance?

No. In Colorado, employers pay a percentage of payroll, based upon an experience rate (how many people you have laid off in the past) to the state and then a certain percentage of payroll to the federal government. Nothing is taken out of any employee's paycheck. Nice to see that the Dept of Labor and Employment has violated state law. Who are the legislators to make laws anyway? Liberal bureaucrats know best.

14 posted on 08/05/2010 3:43:10 PM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: Siegfried
I expect KOA in Denver (850 AM) talkers will have something to say about this tonight. Get yourself an outdoor long-wire antenna and find a good AM radio to listen to the “real” world.

AM 850 is the Red Sox station in Boston (I went to sleep listening to accounts of Papelbom's heroics). I'd need a highly directional long anntenna array (like 2 miles long) and good ionospheric skip to get AM 850 from Denver. You'd be surprised, but we have at least three pretty conservative talk stations in Boston.

15 posted on 08/06/2010 6:09:20 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: McGavin999

I’ll put the number of illegals who I’ve personally sent back up against that of anyone. But if you’ve seen my other posts, I believe in free market capitalism, not gubmint telling an employer who he can and cannot hire. Anyone who wants to give that power to Obama/Napolitano/Holder is stupid.

Those I’ve “ratted on” have been mostly drunks who get into stupid fights (aggravated battery), but also murderers, thieves, and welfare parasites.

The interesting thing is that most people think the illegal problem is somewhere else and they don’t realize that it is working right beside them. At least, that’s the way it is in the white collar and IT world.

At least in IL, illegals have been a major population since the 1920s when laws were first passed to make it a misdemeanor to enter the USA without the permission of the nanny state. Prior to the 1920s, of course, there was no such thing as an illegal immigrant in the USA.

Prior to 2003 Pat Buchanan was a lone voice on the anti-illegal side while all other conservatives were pro-illegal just like Reagan and they ridiculed Pat Buchanan. Then in 2003 things shifted.


16 posted on 08/07/2010 10:17:16 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: McGavin999

I’d estimate that at any given point in time, 20% work in the underground economy. About 10% use a TIN that is theirs. It actually is not that difficult for an illegal to legally get a valid TIN. About 20% of illegals are housewives, children, invalids, etc and do not work and do not need a SSN. So about 50% use a SSN that is not theirs.

Of that 50% at least 5% (in IL it is at least 10%) passed a bribe to get a valid SSN... that is, one that the SS issued to them as valid. By far, the biggest group using an SSN, at least 30%, are using the valid SSN of a friend or family member. The number of anchor babies making 20,000 per year is amazing. Then a percentage (let’s say 5%) are using the SSN of a dead person, or a retired person, person on welfare, a child or a number not yet issued. They are accruing SS credits for that person. But they have not actually harmed that person in a way that has actually been felt.

That leaves 10% whose use of the SSN is actually causing harm to the other person. Of those, the overwhelming number are people of the same ethnic background. Russians steal the SSN of other eastern Europeans. Koreans of other Koreans, Mexicans of other Hispanics (especially Puerto Ricans.) In fact, the single group most victimized by illegal Hispanics’ use of stolen SSN is Puerto Ricans.

If there are 12 million illegals (who knows the real number) then that means 1.2 million illegals (the 10%) are actually victimizing somebody with that illegal use.

I’m not justifying it. I’m just trying to accurately describe it.

It is a mistake to think that all illegals are alike. They aren’t. Remember, 40% used to be legal. As visas come and go, people move back and forth between legal and illegal status multiple times.


17 posted on 08/07/2010 10:35:51 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: spintreebob

You’re lucky there in IL, except for that whole Obama and corruption thing. The rest of the country doesn’t have your kind of illegals apparently since identity theft is so rampant.


18 posted on 08/07/2010 10:41:03 PM PDT by McGavin999 (I'm sorry, your race card is overdrawn and no further charges can be accepted)
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To: spintreebob
I’ll put the number of illegals who I’ve personally sent back up against that of anyone. But if you’ve seen my other posts, I believe in free market capitalism, not gubmint telling an employer who he can and cannot hire. Anyone who wants to give that power to Obama/Napolitano/Holder is stupid.

I used to have a 65 year old neighbor who was raped by an illegal who broke into her home, raped her and stole everything she had. I spent months with her listening to her blame herself, thinking something she did caused it to happen. She killed herself.

I personally have been in 2 wrecks caused by illegals who didn't have insurance so I got stuck with a thousand dollar deductable TWICE. Robert Krentz, a 3rd generation rancher is dead, shot by an illegal.

I guess I can thank people like you and your "let the good times roll" attitude.

19 posted on 08/07/2010 10:46:30 PM PDT by McGavin999 (I'm sorry, your race card is overdrawn and no further charges can be accepted)
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