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After cops kill his son, a local man fights Vegas PD (Costco, Erik Scott)
csindy.com ^ | 5 August, 2010 | Pam Zubeck

Posted on 08/05/2010 11:31:21 AM PDT by marktwain

A local author's son was gunned down by police in Las Vegas on July 10, prompting an outcry from residents and a demand for accountability from his family and friends.

West Point graduate Erik Scott, 38, son of Bill Scott, was killed by three cops just outside a Costco store in Las Vegas after a security guard there reported him for carrying a concealed weapon. The weapon was registered, and Erik had the proper permits. Costco doesn't allow weapons in the store, but there's no notice posted, according to Bill Scott.

"It's extremely hard to understand," he says in an interview with the Independent. "You cannot get your brain wrapped around the idea that Erik was shot and killed by the very people he felt allied with. He was always a law-abiding citizen. It's one of those incidents where in the middle of the night you wake up for an instant, and there's something in your brain that says, 'Hit the rewind button. This can't be real.'"

He says police officers made a "rush to judgment" and "murdered [Erik] on the spot" by firing seven rounds, at least five of which hit Erik in the back after he fell. Scott says only 71 seconds elapsed from the time an evacuation was started until the shooting.

"I feel like six or seven of those rounds hit me in the chest, and they blew a massive hole in my heart," Scott told Nevada's 8NewsNow. "If I were a Las Vegas resident, I would want to know the absolute truth about this incident."

Scott, an Air Force engineer turned nonfiction writer and novelist (whose work the Indy profiled in "Imagining World War III," Oct. 29, 2009), lives in the Fox Run area and has been in the Springs since 1994. But he's quickly learned some about Las Vegas policing, namely that in 30 years and more than 200 cases investigated involving police officers there, only one officer has been found at fault.

"They have police investigating police reporting to police," Scott says, adding he hopes the Justice Department will conduct an independent investigation. A coroner's inquest has been postponed indefinitely, pending additional investigation.

According to the Las Vegas Review-Journal, police said Erik Scott refused their orders and drew a handgun and pointed it at them. The newspaper also reported that witnesses disagree about whether Scott drew a gun.

Scott says the case has outraged Vegas citizens, who say they're "scared of their own cops." Erik's "in memory" Facebook page has attracted 920 members, audio clips of the police dispatch recording have accumulated about 1,000 hits on YouTube, and some people have donated money at inmemoryoferikscott.org. The case also has spread to sites such as forbes.com and salon.com.

Between 200 and 300 people, some from as far away as China, came to Erik's memorial service on July 17, and donations have funded five billboards in Las Vegas that say, "Let the TRUTH be known," with a phone number to call with information. Since the billboards went up, five new witnesses have stepped forward, says Scott, who continues to do media interviews.

"It just seems to build more and more," he says.

Erik played high school football in California, was student body vice president and graduated from West Point in the top 10 percent of his class. He earned a master's degree from Duke University and had lived in Las Vegas for 10 years. He worked for Boston Scientific.

"He was a very warm individual, happy," his father says.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; costco; erikscott; nv
More on the Erik Scott shooting at a Costco in Las Vegas on 10 July, 2010.
1 posted on 08/05/2010 11:31:28 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Not a word yet on the SECURITY CAMERAS VIDEO.

The LV police Captain had the video shipped off to CALIFORNIA because , even though he doesn’t know if it exists, or if the cameras were on, or were working, or what is on the video, he is sure they can ‘FIX’ it, given eternity to do so.

MY PREDICTION: By the time they get the video back, it will show SCOTT driving a TANK through COSTCO and running over babies in shopping carts.


2 posted on 08/05/2010 11:39:10 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: marktwain
Police better wake up. More and more citizens will be carrying and the more this type of killing takes place, the more the legal carry citizens will fire first. Legal carry citizens are the nations real police force guaranteed by the Constitution.
3 posted on 08/05/2010 11:40:27 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: marktwain; waterhill; ixtl; mylife

Bookmark and Costco Ping!


4 posted on 08/05/2010 11:44:47 AM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist,........one more time.....)
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To: marktwain
This is a consequence of the Liberal mentality and it's PC media. A Costco employee sees an individual with a holstered sidearm and from what he/she has been taught, panics at the very sight of a gun.

While it's appearing more than likely that law enforcement has made a huge mistake here, I would like to hear a recording of the initial call. I strongly suspect that would answer lots of questions.

5 posted on 08/05/2010 11:50:05 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: UCANSEE2
MY PREDICTION: By the time they get the video back, it will show SCOTT driving a TANK through COSTCO and running over babies in shopping carts.

MY PREDICTION: By the time they get the video back, it will show LVPD was the first Cops to answer a call on the moon!
6 posted on 08/05/2010 11:53:20 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: UCANSEE2
Note to self - if I ever carry a permitted weapon in my waist and some mentally conflicted cop pointing a gun at me yells 'drop it', don't.

Put the hands up & keep em there.

7 posted on 08/05/2010 11:59:09 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: marktwain
Tragic, tragic, tragic. And all they can think about is protecting their own (meaning the cops).

"They have police investigating police reporting to police," Scott says,

That pretty much sums it up and tells us where all this is going.

8 posted on 08/05/2010 12:03:21 PM PDT by Upstate NY Guy (Gen 15:16 The iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete.)
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To: marktwain

Scott sounds just like the type of low life scum who would draw a handgun on police officers and cops of course would never lie about what actually happened. /SARC big-time


9 posted on 08/05/2010 12:06:35 PM PDT by jrp
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To: marktwain

Why don’t they show the pictures of the Amish bastards who killed him?


10 posted on 08/05/2010 12:07:41 PM PDT by LibWhacker (America awake!)
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To: jrp

I wouldn’t be surprised if it is determined that Scott drew his gun as a trained response to a threat.


11 posted on 08/05/2010 12:10:22 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: marktwain

The British made the mistake of gunning down innocent Americans. Once.


12 posted on 08/05/2010 12:10:33 PM PDT by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Logical me

It could [and should] be argued that the police are the very “standing armies” that the founders were so afraid of... of course there is also the matter of our Active Army too.


13 posted on 08/05/2010 12:18:23 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Gene Eric
I wouldn’t be surprised if it is determined that Scott drew his gun as a trained response to a threat.

Everything I've read about this and the eyewitness accounts suggests otherwise. They would have released the video already if they could show him pulling his gun that way.

14 posted on 08/05/2010 12:33:55 PM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: ExpatCanuck

Reports I’ve read have the police giving him conflicting orders - among them the order to ‘drop it’. Apparently he had no idea he was the reason for the evacuation. If the gun was in his waistband then he may have been trying to comply with and overly excited cop’s confusing command.


15 posted on 08/05/2010 12:39:27 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: marktwain

Why no war dance with Jessee Jackson and the “rev” Sharpton?
Oh - I just looked at the picture.


16 posted on 08/05/2010 12:41:16 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (I will not be silenced.)
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To: skeeter

That is the EXACT response advised by Tom Grisham on his radio show “Gun Talk”.

Put your hands up above your head and keep them there until the cops cool down and recognize that you are not a threat. Don’t surrender your rights, but at the same time don’t give them ANY indication that you are reaching for a weapon.

While your hands are above your head and they quit shouting sometimes conflicting orders, wait until they have quieted and then explain that yes you are armed and have the legal right to do so via CCW or in some states, state citizenship.

Never, ever reach below your shoulders until the situation is defused and calmer heads prevail.


17 posted on 08/05/2010 12:46:03 PM PDT by hotshu (Keep the Faith, that's all 0bama and his fellow traitors can't steal from us.)
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To: Logical me

Police in many jurisdictions already have an attitude that if they are called to a location for any reason they have the right/duty to shoot someone. If there is a dog present it seems they must discharge that right/duty by shooting the dog. If there is no dog present then maybe one of the kids or mom or dad. I sometimes wonder if it is written in their union contracts.


18 posted on 08/05/2010 1:04:47 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Rational Thought
appearing more than likely that law enforcement has made a huge mistake

I doubt there was any mistake.

19 posted on 08/05/2010 1:06:38 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: marktwain

Can you say “police state?” Kill with impunity, suppress any evidence. FU, citizen.


20 posted on 08/05/2010 1:14:26 PM PDT by Moltke (panem et circenses)
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To: marktwain

This cop got 10 years:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2552564/posts


21 posted on 08/05/2010 1:30:33 PM PDT by FoxPro (Out side of a dog, books are mans best friend. Inside of a dog, it is to dark to read.)
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To: arthurus

It’s possible. I’m just going by stories I’ve read in a local Vegas paper, which doesn’t guarantee my beliefs are accurate. Still, if the employee made a 911 call, why hasn’t that tape been released?


22 posted on 08/05/2010 2:00:36 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: Rational Thought

To protect the guilty.


23 posted on 08/05/2010 2:06:31 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ExpatCanuck

>> Everything I’ve read about this and the eyewitness accounts suggests otherwise.

True. I did not mean to imply that he in fact drew his gun.


24 posted on 08/05/2010 2:13:11 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: FoxPro
This cop got 10 years:

And still shows no remorse.

25 posted on 08/05/2010 2:23:52 PM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Bush: Mission Accomplished. Obama: Commission Accomplished.)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

I wish I could post THAT video on the forum.


26 posted on 08/05/2010 2:30:03 PM PDT by FoxPro (Out side of a dog, books are mans best friend. Inside of a dog, it is to dark to read.)
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To: marktwain
West Point graduate Erik Scott, 38, son of Bill Scott, was killed by three cops just outside a Costco store in Las Vegas after a security guard there reported him for carrying a concealed weapon. The weapon was registered, and Erik had the proper permits. Costco doesn't allow weapons in the store, but there's no notice posted, according to Bill Scott.

Even if there was notice posted, that's more of a "get the hell off our property" thing, or even a "you're banned for life from Costco" think if they're really mad. Not really a police matter, or it shouldn't be, unless and until he's been asked to leave the premises and refused.

27 posted on 08/05/2010 5:29:05 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Rational Thought
While it's appearing more than likely that law enforcement has made a huge mistake here, I would like to hear a recording of the initial call. I strongly suspect that would answer lots of questions.

The city's in control of the tape. If it made their employees look good at Costco's expense, I'm sure we'd have heard it wall-to-wall since three hours after the killing.

28 posted on 08/05/2010 5:33:35 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: hotshu
Never, ever reach below your shoulders until the situation is defused and calmer heads prevail.

This all assumes they don't feel like shooting you because you're a smartass who carries a gun. The cop gang is a corrupt world unto itself. Hey if enough of us carry guns we might start getting the envelopes instead of them.

29 posted on 08/05/2010 5:46:57 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: hotshu
That advice is prudent and necessary:

More evidence that police powers are too strong and accountability too weak. Starve the beast! De_fund the police. Defund cities, counties, states and feds. Vote "no" on every single bond issue. Yeah I know children, minorities, grandma to suffer first.

30 posted on 08/05/2010 10:07:58 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: marktwain; waterhill; mylife; ixtl
Ok freepers. Here is supposed scanner chatter during the Costco call.

Tear it up!

Is this fake?

http://www.lvrj.com/blogs/mitchell/someone_has_posted_police_scanner_traffic_during_costco_shooting.html#blogcomments?submitted=y

31 posted on 08/06/2010 7:28:49 PM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist,........one more time.....)
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To: DariusBane

My reply to anyone claiming we need to increase taxes or empower government even MORE at our expense “for the chillllllrun” is “Any children so weak and pathetic they can’t survive without the government having even MORE of our money and MORE of our power aren’t worth having around anyway! I’ll make more!” That really gets their panties in a twist.


32 posted on 08/07/2010 2:02:58 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking
“The weapon was registered, and Erik had the proper permits.”

Even that pisses me off. I don't remember anything in the 2nd amendment that says you have to apply for a permit, or register!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This country sucks a$Z! I would go somewhere else but where? Nowhere to go. Stuck. Stuck on this seething sh*t hole planet with people who want to control each other.

33 posted on 08/07/2010 4:34:37 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: DariusBane

Let’s keep this post alive!!!!!!!!!!!!
This family deserves justice.


34 posted on 08/15/2010 6:26:34 AM PDT by Mtn Pass (Buy beans and bullets!)
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To: DariusBane

Let’s keep this post alive!!!!!!!!!!!!
This family deserves justice.


35 posted on 08/15/2010 6:26:39 AM PDT by Mtn Pass (Buy beans and bullets!)
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