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New Chromosome Research Undermines Human-Chimp Similarity Claims
Institution for Creation Research ^ | Apr 1, 2010 | Jeffrey Tomkins, Ph.D., & Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 08/05/2010 1:51:06 PM PDT by lasereye

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To: Dem Guard

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51 posted on 08/05/2010 5:36:01 PM PDT by jla
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To: J Edgar

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52 posted on 08/05/2010 5:43:19 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Thanks for the information. I will check it out.


53 posted on 08/05/2010 5:48:07 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: theKid51; Apple Blossom

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54 posted on 08/05/2010 5:50:16 PM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: J Edgar

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55 posted on 08/05/2010 5:50:30 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Popman

I had a similar thought about the vehicle analogy. It is also like looking at peas to figure out where corn or trees came from. It strikes me as just a stupid diversion.


56 posted on 08/05/2010 5:51:21 PM PDT by Dem Guard (The + IRS = Theirs)
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To: J Edgar

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57 posted on 08/05/2010 5:54:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: lasereye
As usual the actual science is a far cry from what is reported to the credulous.

The Y chromosome, because it passes through males, because it doesn't undergo meiotic recombination, changes more rapidly than other genetic regions. This has been known for ages among those who actually know and understand biology.

Our gene sequence (the DNA that specifies the code for a protein) are still 98% the same.

Over our entire genome there is some 4-6% difference, depending upon how they want to ‘score’ it.

The Y chromosome is the ‘odd man out’: pun intended.

And to those of you who dismiss “chance” and think it is some synonym for ‘not under God's control’ I suggest you read Prov 16:33.

The dice are thrown, but the LORD determines every outcome

58 posted on 08/05/2010 6:02:08 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: ml/nj
Humor us. Why don't you answer instead of belittling.

Ok. We'll start off as simply as possible: No one aside fom creationists has ever suggested that humans evolved from chimpanzees. Ever.

So when one flings one of the oldest creationist canards (which a few "leading" creationist websites tell their adherents NOT to use), one must be treated as a joke.
59 posted on 08/05/2010 6:03:08 PM PDT by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: isthisnickcool
If American English came from England, why do people still speak English English?

If Americans came from Europe, why are there still Europeans?

If dogs came from wolves, why are there still wolves?

60 posted on 08/05/2010 6:06:28 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: J Edgar

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61 posted on 08/05/2010 6:09:30 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: whattajoke
Ok. We'll start off as simply as possible: No one aside fom creationists has ever suggested that humans evolved from chimpanzees. Ever.

Okay. I wasn't the one who said we evolved from chimps.

Tell me please. What did we evolve from? And did it take a long time, or did it happen within a few years? I'm just askin', you know, 'cause I'm just a slow hayseed type. But if you use small words I might understand.

ML/NJ

62 posted on 08/05/2010 6:27:17 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: allmendream
If American English came from England, why do people still speak English English?

Because some sort of intelligence was involved?

ML/NJ

63 posted on 08/05/2010 6:29:23 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
If Rock n Roll came from the Blues, why is there still the Blues?

The creation of a new form from an existing one does not necessitate the elimination of the older form.

The question itself is based upon a flawed premise based upon a misunderstanding of evolution. There is no natural tendency for a chimpanzee to become more like a human, or for things to get unambiguously improved over time. Yet this is a very seductive misconception.

64 posted on 08/05/2010 6:30:31 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: ml/nj
What “intelligence” was involved in changing American English from English English? It was just random variation cropping up within two populations in isolation from each other.

No “intelligence” decided to call rolled tobacco a cigarette in America and a fag in England, or make them sound like a bunch of prissy wankers.

65 posted on 08/05/2010 6:34:05 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
If Rock n Roll came from the Blues, why is there still the Blues?

I refer you to the answer I gave some moments ago.

(But if you can't find it, it was because intelligence was involved.)

ML/NJ

66 posted on 08/05/2010 6:46:26 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: allmendream

Actually, the “cigarette” was a French/Italian version, and came before “fag.” (small cigar?)


67 posted on 08/05/2010 6:47:44 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: allmendream
What “intelligence” was involved in changing American English from English English?

I suggest you have a look at the Oxford English Dictionary and try to concentrate on why it's not a "dictionary" in the sense that people now most use that word. Anyone who doesn't think intelligence is involved in the development of human language just isn't payin' attention.

ML/NJ

68 posted on 08/05/2010 6:51:10 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
The creation of a new form from an existing one does not necessitate the elimination of the older form. Why does the involvement of intelligence obviate this observation, in other words, why is your “answer” applicable?
69 posted on 08/05/2010 7:30:38 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: ml/nj

If a lake fills in, why are there still lakes?

If a hill errodes, why are there still hills?

If hydrogen and oxygen combine to make water, why is there still oxygen?


70 posted on 08/05/2010 7:51:21 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: ml/nj
Darwin was frustrated that the fossil record didn't show what he expected.

CHARLES DARWIN AND THE FOSSIL RECORD

A typical quote from Origin of Species:

I can answer these questions and objections only on the supposition that the geological record is far more imperfect than most geologists believe...That the geologic record is imperfect all will admit; but that it is imperfect to the degree required by our theory, few will be inclined to admit.

You'll find a number of similar quotes at the link.

"Darwin's early scientific experience was primarily as a geologist, and much of what he had to say about the nature of the fossil record (summarized in the passage quoted above) was an accurate and insightful early contribution to our understanding of the vagaries of deposition and the preservation of fossils. But his Chapter 9 (first edition) on the imperfections of the geological record is one long ad hoc, special-pleading argument designed to rationalize, to flat-out explain away, the differences between what he saw as logical predictions derived from his theory and the facts of the fossil record." (Eldredge, Niles [Chairman and Curator of Invertebrates, American Museum of Natural History], "Time Frames: The Rethinking of Darwinian Evolution and the Theory of Punctuated Equilibria", Simon & Schuster: New York NY, 1985, pp.27-28.)

71 posted on 08/05/2010 8:15:19 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: whattajoke

It would have been something like a chimp.


72 posted on 08/05/2010 8:30:56 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: allmendream

Are you trying to claim that any Y chromosome differences can be accommodated in an ape-human evolution scenario? Why did one researcher characterize the result as “astounding”? Maybe you ought to let him know about it.

If you want to start using the Bible, you cannot believe in evolution without doing violence to Genesis.


73 posted on 08/05/2010 8:39:04 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: lasereye
You mean the ONE WORD they had from an actual scientist in that entire mess? “Astounding” doesn't mean that evolution isn't true and that it all poofed into existence within the last couple of thousand years.

The vast majority of Christian faiths have no problem with the acceptance of evolution. The violence you are doing is to our faith, the intellect, and the reality that God created.

Evolution is the inevitable consequence of imperfect replication and selective pressure and time. The observed rate of evolution is not only sufficient to explain the divergence in DNA between humans and apes, there is much more than enough, as selection eliminates many variations.

The rate of Y chromosome evolution is much higher than the rest of the genome, and if most creationists knew any actual science, they would know that - but usually they don't.

The more educated someone is the less likely they are to be a creationist. Especially if they are educated in science. Creationists sources are aware of this and play to their audience.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090716201127.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20551442

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16299764

“The absence of homologous recombination between the X and the Y chromosome leads to gradual degeneration of various Y chromosome genes on an evolutionary timescale. The absence of recombination, however, also favors the accumulation of transposable elements on the Y chromosome during its evolution, as seen with both Drosophila and mammalian Y chromosomes. Alongside these processes, the acquisition and amplification of autosomal male benefit genes occur.”

74 posted on 08/05/2010 8:56:06 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
Because survival of the fittest has nothing to do with any of the things you mentioned.

ML/NJ

75 posted on 08/06/2010 6:40:27 PM PDT by ml/nj
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http://www.usnews.com/science/articles/2010/01/13/men-more-evolved-y-chromosome-study-stirs-debate.html


76 posted on 08/09/2010 2:53:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: ml/nj

Darwin studied trans-mutations in various animal species under certain enviromental conditions and then Hypothesised that on a longer time scale that animals and (possibly humans) would eventually mutate into a completely other species. That why its still called the “THEORY” of evolution.


77 posted on 03/19/2011 9:09:58 AM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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