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Hiroshima 65 years later: US attends ceremony, but offers no apology
CS Monitor ^ | August 6, 2010 | Gavin Blair

Posted on 08/06/2010 7:59:03 AM PDT by americanophile

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To: americanophile
US POWs were killed by the Hiroshima A-bomb.

http://www.canyoncountryzephyr.com/oldzephyr/dec2002-jan2003/cartwright.htm

51 posted on 08/06/2010 8:47:09 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: americanophile

The US should have sent survivors of the Bataan Death March as their representatives.


52 posted on 08/06/2010 8:48:01 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: americanophile

“Some Japanese still want an apology for the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki”.....

Keep waiting....Not one U.S. soldier was worth losing invading Japan! They handed crap to us at Pearl Harbor and we handed it back in spades.....


53 posted on 08/06/2010 8:51:05 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: SaveTheChief
I'm happy that we have a friendly relationship with Japan now, but in no way should America ever apologize for doing the right thing to protect her interests or the lives of her citizens.

This was the last war that we won. Our politicians don't look back at history. We were loved or hated by the world after that event but we had the world's respect due to the power and ability to enforce our wishes around the world. We gave countries a chance to imitate us or not.

Unfortunately we forgot how to win wars such as Korea, Nam, Iraq 1, Iraq 2 and Afghanistan.

wars are won when we kill people and break things.

54 posted on 08/06/2010 8:52:01 AM PDT by River_Wrangler (Nothing difficult is ever easy!)
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To: americanophile

There is an easy way to win any argument about the use of the A-bomb. Ask the person how many Japanese would have had to die if the US went ahead with it’s plans to launch TWO D-Day type landings on the Islands? Knowing that one of those landings was scheduled to be 6x the size of D-Day.

The bombing made the Imperial Army realize that I could no longer win in the war as it’s opponent could destroy entire cities at will.


55 posted on 08/06/2010 8:52:18 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: americanophile

“The Bowmaster” will apoloigize for America....POS!


56 posted on 08/06/2010 8:55:05 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: rahbert

Of course if ol’ Dick tried to bend over, his heart would explode.


57 posted on 08/06/2010 8:59:46 AM PDT by stormer
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To: AngelesCrestHighway; americanophile

I’ll make an apology.

HEY JAPAN!!! WE’RE SORRY WE DIDN’T HAVE ENOUGH A-BOMBS TO WIPE YOU FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH!!!


58 posted on 08/06/2010 9:03:09 AM PDT by bigheadfred (One size fits all)
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To: Celtic Conservative

Hear, hear.......

Wisdom.... clear and concise.


59 posted on 08/06/2010 9:07:27 AM PDT by Gator113 (Beauty will devour the Beast in 2012....)
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Their request is truly disgusting. What about the contests by their troops to see who could behead 100 civilians with samurai swords fastest?


Two Japanese officers, Toshiaki Mukai and Tsuyoshi Noda competing to see who could kill (with a sword) one hundred people first. The bold headline reads, "'Incredible Record' (in the Contest To Cut Down 100 People—Mukai 106 – 105 Noda—Both 2nd Lieutenants Go Into Extra Innings".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

I've heard it stated quite a few times that Japanese troops beheaded more people with samurai swords than we killed with both atomic bombs - that gets you thinking, doesn't it?

Anyone who questions the necessity to drop these bombs should study the battle of Okinawa - it was only a tiny preview of the horrors of a battle on mainland Japan. I could go on and on...vivisections, bayonet practice, cannabalism, starvation, torture...

60 posted on 08/06/2010 9:17:42 AM PDT by SpitfyrAce
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To: SpitfyrAce

Besides, I would consider all the money we spent rebuilding the country as “Payment in Full.”


61 posted on 08/06/2010 9:18:41 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Radagast the Fool

“How about the same time we get an apology for Pearl Harbor

And the Bataan Death March!!”

They attacked us first, therefore they should apologize first. Bunch of sniveling little hypocrites.


62 posted on 08/06/2010 9:19:14 AM PDT by Old Grumpy
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To: Captain Kirk

No I am not....Just pointing out where this all began...JAPAN, not as your post would suggest, with US.


63 posted on 08/06/2010 9:28:20 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: 2001convSVT
This is my point too. Has Japan ever sent a 'delegation' to Pearl Harbor for Dec. 7th? Has the Japanese Emperor ever issued an official apology for Pearl, the Bataan Death Mark, etc?

I have nothing against Japanese people, we were at war and both sides did what they justified was necessary to win.

Last time I looked at pictures, Hiroshima is a thriving, bustling modern city, not some radiated wasteland.

64 posted on 08/06/2010 9:29:49 AM PDT by LoneStarGI (Vegetarian: Old Indian word for "BAD HUNTER.")
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To: Radagast the Fool
And the Bataan Death March!!

The Japanese Ambassador to the United States did so, directly to the U.S. survivors:

Japan Apologizes for Bataan Death March: Ambassador Speaks to Last 73 American Survivors of the March

There's a list of some 50 apologies that the Japanese have made since the Pacific War here.

(That list includes reference to a story that the Emperor had intended to apologize for the war (including explicitly the attack on Pearl) at MacArthur aide: U.S. must learn from errors. I don't believe that there are any other references to this story in any standard work on the war, so I take that particular article with a large grain of salt.)

65 posted on 08/06/2010 9:44:42 AM PDT by snowsislander (In this election year, please ask your candidates if they support repeal of the 1968 GCA.)
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To: Captain Kirk

The japanese had ever intention of fighting for every inch of japan. They called it operation keshuga.

Estimates for the invasion handed to Truman before his decision to use the bomb:

US casualties: 1.75 to 4 million
Japanese casualties: 10 million minimum. Could have been 30 million including combat, starvation and disease.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Japan was still capable of doing massive damage at the end of the war.


66 posted on 08/06/2010 10:02:26 AM PDT by texmexis best (My)
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To: Captain Kirk
Not true. An invasion was not necessary. The Japanese (who were being strangled by the blockade) were ready to agree to a conditional surrender (thus avoiding an invasion) BEFORE the bombs were dropped.

Certainly some Japanese realized the war was lost. Not all did. There was a (nearly successful) plot by the army to prevent the surrender after the bombs were dropped. There were American POWs in enemy hands dying every day. The Japanese were planning to release plague in Southern California (which we did not know at the time). Even if a surrender could have been effected without further combat deaths (which I doubt), American lives were still saved by our dropping the bomb and Japan's immediate surrender.

67 posted on 08/06/2010 10:05:22 AM PDT by magslinger (DISCLAIMER: No liberals were harmed in the making of this post. I'm sorry and will try harder.)
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To: Captain Kirk

Its all Iffy History. What if the assassination attempt on the emperor succeeded? Old ladies and Babies?? Ya mean like in Dresden, Berlin, Hamburg, where there were also a lot of good christians? The fire bombing of Tokyo was probably equal to the A Bombs. Yeah, like it would have made a difference.


68 posted on 08/06/2010 10:23:21 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: Captain Kirk

It was not necessary to INTENTIONALLY violate the ancient rules of war by INTENTIONALLY kill thousands of babies and little old ladies (many who lived in Nagasaki, the heart of Japanese Christianity) solely to promote terror...............................................................Its all Iffy History. What if the assassination attempt on the emperor succeeded? Old ladies and Babies?? Ya mean like in Dresden, Berlin, Hamburg, where there were also a lot of good christians? The fire bombing of Tokyo was probably equal to the A Bombs. Yeah, like it would have made a difference.


69 posted on 08/06/2010 10:24:15 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: Captain Kirk

“It was not necessary to INTENTIONALLY violate the ancient rules of war by INTENTIONALLY kill thousands of babies and little old ladies (many who lived in Nagasaki, the heart of Japanese Christianity) solely to promote terror.”

I do believe the US dropped leaflets WEEKS before dropping the bomb on each city - telling them to leave the city or be destroyed! Therefore, we did not “INTENTIONALLY kill thousands of babies and little old ladies;” they failed to leave the area with forewarning of the impending attack.

I guess you think it was Bush’s fault that hundreds died during Katrina too?!?! You think this even though FEMA recommended to the local authorities that they have a mandatory evacuation - three days BEFORE Katrina hit! Katrina upgraded from a Cat3 to a Cat5 in less than two days and local authorities STILL did not demand a mandatory evacuation until less than 24 hours before the storm actually made landfall!

Nice revision of history or are you just choosing to ignore it?


70 posted on 08/06/2010 10:36:56 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go home!)
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To: americanophile

They started it...we finished it...end of story.


71 posted on 08/06/2010 10:38:53 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: LoneStarGI

Emperor Hirohito did go to the Arizona Memorial when he visited the US in 1975.


72 posted on 08/06/2010 10:44:30 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: River_Wrangler
This was the last war that we won.

Well there was Grenada.

73 posted on 08/06/2010 10:48:11 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: americanophile
Anyone know the time conversion (including Intl Dateline adjustment) between US Central and Japan for 9am CT on Aug 5th?

Because THAT was the time that the only flyable B-29 in the world, the CAF's FIFI, took to the air for the first time since 2004.
74 posted on 08/06/2010 11:52:10 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: snowsislander

Thank you, snowsislander, for the links. It is very interesting!


75 posted on 08/07/2010 12:57:42 PM PDT by Radagast the Fool ("Mexico-Beirut with tacos!"--Dr. Zoidberg)
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To: Radagast the Fool
Thank you, snowsislander, for the links. It is very interesting!

You are most welcome.

As I said in posting #65, I would take the third link, MacArthur aide: U.S. must learn from errors, with a big grain of salt. I don't know of any standard work on the aftermath of the Pacific War that substantiates that story. The events sound at least plausible, but the lack of other corroborating sources makes it at best dubious in my opinion.

76 posted on 08/07/2010 2:02:22 PM PDT by snowsislander (In this election year, please ask your candidates if they support repeal of the 1968 GCA.)
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