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A Hiroshima Apology? (State Dept "to express respect for all the victims of World War II")
WSJ ^ | 8/6/2010 | Warren Kozak

Posted on 08/06/2010 9:08:07 AM PDT by mojito

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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Germany was a sovereign nation. It was Japan that attacked us. < /sarc >

The above is the same type of argument the Left used when we resumed the Gulf War in Iraq (Saddam had already broken the peace).


51 posted on 08/06/2010 11:16:21 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: a fool in paradise

The only type of war that the Left would approve of would be like the one that happened in the movie Red Dawn. Where the Russians invade the U.S. I’m sure they’ll love the remake coming out this fall, at least up to the part where America starts winning...


52 posted on 08/06/2010 11:18:49 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Daveinyork
The Japanese have been hesitant to even acknowlege the Korean sex prisoner "comfort women" and the medical experiments at Camp 731 (1937-1945).

According to the 2002 International Symposium on the Crimes of Bacteriological Warfare, the number of people killed by the Imperial Japanese Army germ warfare and human experiments is around 580,000.

53 posted on 08/06/2010 11:19:00 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: baiamonte

> My Father was at Guadacanal, Tarawa and Saipan. He would roll over in his grave if he knew we had apologized to the Japs.

So was my father. He’d roll over too.


54 posted on 08/06/2010 11:21:04 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Obama, the Criminal, is BAD for AMERICA.)
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To: Spok
"Every single person on this earth must realize that that the most immediate and serious threat to their security is THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT, despite the pathological lying and flowery rhetoric they endure year after year."

Now there's at least two of us who think so! ;^)

55 posted on 08/06/2010 11:28:39 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: baiamonte
"My Father was at Guadacanal, Tarawa and Saipan."

He must have wore this patch



"Casualties many; Percentage of dead not known; Combat efficiency; we are winning."

Medal of Honor Winner on Tarawa and future Commandant Col David Shoup

Semper Fi
56 posted on 08/06/2010 12:08:31 PM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: mojito

Then we can accept their thanks for not killing every last one of them.


57 posted on 08/06/2010 12:11:00 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: mojito

I think this is incorrect. It’s been done already, or at least some kind of apology offered.


58 posted on 08/06/2010 12:54:56 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (cute taglines don't seem to fit the current predicament)
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To: mojito

Hiroshima 65 years later; US attends ceremony, but offers no apology

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2565766/posts


59 posted on 08/06/2010 1:13:48 PM PDT by Mila
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To: mojito
Why offer respect for the SOBs they killed thousands of Americans.

Obamah, the America-Hating Mongrel President!

60 posted on 08/06/2010 1:27:54 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun

Japan deserved it. The country was on a murderous rampage and needed to be put down. We didn’t start it but we damn well finished it!!!


61 posted on 08/06/2010 10:12:26 PM PDT by artaxerces
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To: mojito

There have been many discussions of Hiroshima & Nagasaki (this poster has been to Japan & visited China in Sept. 2010) but my thoughts.

My position always has & always will be that if the U.S. wanted to show Japan the atom bomb’s strength, then they should’ve been dropped on a military base & arms factory where there would been 1,500-3,000 civilians killed & wounded as a result of collateral damage rather than the 150,000 + killed in Hiroshima & Nagasaki, as there were many places in Japan where they could’ve been dropped with fewer civilians killed.

With that said, yes, President Harry S. Truman did what he believed would end the war & save American lives because a ground war would’ve been bloody. Most survivors of Hiroshima & Nagasaki have said that they don’t blame President Harry S. Truman for using the atom bomb, because if Japan & Germany had possessed the atom bomb, they would’ve used them-both nations tried to build the atom bomb & germ warfare (such as Shiro Ishi’s fleabombs similar to daisy cutters used in Vietnam only with fleas) was used by the Imperial Japanese military against the Chinese.

There must be 1 thing considered. The atom bombings of Hiroshima & Nagasaki was a continuation of the policy both the Allies & Axis had of bombing cities to get the other side to surrender be it Peking, Shanghai, Nanking, London, Coventry, Dresden, Pforzeim, Tokyo, etc. For me, it’s wrong to deliberately target civlians to end a war, but sadly this was the policy of both sides.

Now if people want to say that by dropping the atom bombs, that it ended the war, then so be it. What must not be overlooked is that the kids killed in wars are innocent victims. The 4 year old kids killed in Hiroshima & Nagasaki along with the small kids killed in Dresden are innocent. Even if their fathers, uncles, etc. committed atrocities such as Rape of Nanking, Bataan Massacre or the Holocaust, the small kids killed in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, etc. are innocent victims regardless of what 1’s position is on Hiroshima & Nagasaki or for the main matter, the policy of bombing civilians to get the enemy to surrender.


62 posted on 10/29/2010 6:45:55 AM PDT by funincoldweather
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To: funincoldweather
Welcome to FR.

We didn't start the fire...the Axis powers lit that fuse.

We extinguished the fire.

I'll admit my bias: my dad was training for the invasion of Japan.

And I never try to view past actions through the prism of 2010 morality.

Do what I did: make a couple of trips to concentration camps like Dachau and Flossenburg, and see if that doesn't wash away your guilt.

63 posted on 10/29/2010 7:08:59 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: Night Hides Not

Thank you for your thoughts & glad to know that your dad didn’t have to partake in an invasion of Japan. While I haven’t been to the concentration camps as you have (Dachau & Flossenburg), as some1 who has read many history books on the 2 World Wars, Korean War & Vietnam, I am very knowledgeable about Nazi Germany & Imperial Japan’s might which began during the late 1800s (Dreadnoughts & Franco-German war of the late 1800s along with Japan’s Meiji Restoration) ending with the crushing defeat of boths nations in 1945. But I feel you’re not understanding the main point.

My issue here isn’t whether people believe in the use of the atom bombs. But rather who the victims are. Most Japanese & German people are fine & they’ve done nice things for humanity & science to be proud of-Beethoven, Bach & German & Japanese cars are pretty good. The Nazis along with Japan’s violent history with China, Korea & much of Asia during WW2 are bad periods in both nations histories.

You agree with President Harry S. Truman’s decision to use the atom bomb, but I hope you don’t blame the 5 year old girl or boy who was killed in Hiroshima & Nagasaki for what happened in Nanking, Bataan, etc. Columnist Pat J. Buchanan has discussed Hiroshima & Nagasaki & written that small kids who were killed are war’s innocent victims.

Yes you’re right, that the Axis did start the fire. But what is sad about wars is that quite often, those who did nothing wrong end up being the 1s killed & wounded. Wars are something which are out of the ordinary understanding. Your thoughts are again welcome, but I don’t know if we’ll be able to raise anything which is significantly new which hasn’t already been discussed since the war ended so long ago.


64 posted on 10/29/2010 8:31:44 AM PDT by funincoldweather
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To: funincoldweather

The Truman administration was originally going to target Kyoto. Secretary of War Stimson urged Truman for humanitarian and cultural reasons to spare Kyoto, and Truman complied. That was a great act of humanity; far greater than Japan showed any of its adversaries.

I see you’re brand spanking new hear on Free Republic. Odd that your first rather liberal comments should appear on a thread over two months old. Until I see a reason to consider differently, I’m going to have you on Troll Alert.


65 posted on 10/29/2010 9:06:55 AM PDT by mojito
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To: mojito

For the record I have posted on other topics, but don’t understand why call me a troll. I happen to have an interest in 20th Century War history, have traveled to Europe, Asia (China, India, Thailand & Japan) & many states in the U.S.

I have discussed the atrocities committed by the Imperial Japanese military such as Rape of Nanking, Bataan Massacre, Shiro Ishii’s Flea Bombs. I read the book the Rape of Nanking by the late Iris Chang (also her book the Chinese in America, a Narrative history). I am fluent in the atrocities that the Imperial Japanese Armed forces did, incl. Unit-731 experiments in Manchuria-similar to Nazi experiments done in the concentration camps-Shiro Ishii would be the Josef Mengele of Asia.

My point with regard to Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden & other cities bombed during the war if you understood my post isn’t so much about the atomic bombings, but rather to focus on the victims & to reiterate that the kids are innocent. Why is that a ‘liberal’ issue? The Mormon Church (LDS) has said the kids killed in wars are innocent & so has columnist Pat J. Buchanan. I don’t understand your 2nd paragraph & I don’t see what I wrote which makes it so controversial. Please educate.


66 posted on 10/29/2010 3:48:21 PM PDT by funincoldweather
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To: funincoldweather
Now if people want to say that by dropping the atom bombs, that it ended the war, then so be it. What must not be overlooked is that the kids killed in wars are innocent victims. The 4 year old kids killed in Hiroshima & Nagasaki along with the small kids killed in Dresden are innocent

The blood of those kids is on Hitler's and Tojo's hands, not ours.

67 posted on 10/29/2010 3:52:53 PM PDT by dfwgator (Texas Rangers - Oh well it was a nice season.)
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To: funincoldweather
Your comments are not concerned with the innocent victims of warfare. They are concerned with casting moral doubt on the victory of the United States over imperial Japan. You seek, by doing so, to draw a moral equivalence between the two sides. I utterly reject your argument. These are the arguments of undergraduate leftists and those who admire Noam Chomsky. You, I strongly suspect, are among them. (By the way, the Mormon Church is a religious organization, and Buchanan is a notorious isolationist; neither is a credible commentator on the morality of WWII.)

If you're really concerned about the fate of innocents, you might start by reading the Book of Exodus, and pondering the words there.

Until you show otherwise, I will remain convinced that you're a troll.

68 posted on 10/29/2010 4:24:12 PM PDT by mojito
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