Many Japanese will say that over a few too many beers in a hushed voice. Well at least some of the old codgers here.
I always thought they should be mad at their leaders for not knowing when to quit.
As a kid, I was in a fight. I thought it was the manly thing to do to get back up one last time. Cost me two teeth and a broken rib.
My pride was already shot....I should have stayed down.