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Obama & the Neocons: the Odd Alliance
RealClearPolitics ^ | August 6, 2010 | By David Paul Kuhn

Posted on 08/06/2010 9:44:57 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

Last September, the don of neconservatism was put to rest. Irving Kristol's funeral represented, to some, the end of not only the man but also his ideas.

The obituary for neoconservatism proved premature, however. A younger generation of neocons, and aligned hawks, wrote President Obama that same month. "We congratulate you on the [wartime] leadership" the letter read. They urged the president to ignore antiwar pressure. It was the most public statement of support–albeit qualified–for what was now Obama's war.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: neocons; obama; rinos
What does everyone think of this?
1 posted on 08/06/2010 9:45:04 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

Palin is supporting Obama? Or hawkishness? Or cut prices on crack, which this guy seems to have been filling his whole goody jar with?

Things have gone all to h*ll since they stopped locking up the loonies.


2 posted on 08/06/2010 9:55:02 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Define neocon. Then, I can comment.


3 posted on 08/06/2010 11:45:46 AM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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To: Doulos1

ne·o·con·ser·va·tism also ne·o-con·ser·va·tism (n-kn-sûrv-tzm)
n.
An intellectual and political movement in favor of political, economic, and social conservatism that arose in opposition to the perceived liberalism of the 1960s: “The neo-conservatism of the 1980s is a replay of the New Conservatism of the 1950s, which was itself a replay of the New Era philosophy of the 1920s” (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.)
neo·con·serva·tive adj. & n.


4 posted on 08/06/2010 11:49:56 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: Hardraade
Palin is supporting Obama?

Apparently, you are not aware of ths. See Saint Sarah (along with a who's who of neocons) expess her "appreciation" for Obama's Afghan policy here.

5 posted on 08/06/2010 11:52:03 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: US Navy Vet
The border between conservatives and neocons is hardly clear.

Neither is this article. It's a mosh of ill-defined terms, bizarre statements, logical inconsistencies, etc. What was the point?

Obama has become neoconservatism’s ironic champion. In 2008, Obama’s election was considered the repudiation of neoconservatism. Today, the most vocal camp of support within the political establishment–perhaps the only enthusiastic camp of support–comes from Kristol's intellectual kin.

Really? Seriously? Goofy stuff, that.

6 posted on 08/06/2010 11:52:43 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: US Navy Vet
"What does everyone think of this?"

All presidents should listen to all views. While Obama's foreign policy is based on a coalition of realists and liberal interventionists, he has listened to the neocons,

When Obama finally released his National Security Strategy he retained preemption as part of that strategy.

But, the neocons say that the US is the world power and Obama says the US is a world power,

The author makes a big deal about how Obama's views and the neocons views coincide on Afghanistan but it is really how Obama's views are the realist's views.

Ignore what the neocons are saying, listen to what Bob Gates, Colin Powell, Henry Kissinger, Brent Scowcroft, etc are saying.

Obama's view may coincide with the neocons views of afghanistan, but there is a major difference between Obama and the neocons over Iran, START, and the Polish-Czech missle shield.

OTOH, Obama's views coincides with the realist's views on Afghanistan, Iran, START, and the Polish Czech missle shield.

So you could say that Obama's foreign policy is a continuation of the Bush foreign policy, but that would be a continuation of the GHW Bush foreign policy.

7 posted on 08/06/2010 1:17:11 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: US Navy Vet

“Unlike most schools of conservative thought, neoconservatives tend to be secular though some believe, as Strauss did, in religion but not god. They think it’s good for the masses and promotes morality.” Wiki

This is not me and I don’t believe this is most of the members of F.R. I refuse to allow my enemies to define me.
I am not a neocon. Any movement that had its starts with socialists and New York Intellectuals ain’t for me.

I’ve always heard it being used a pejorative. I’m a Ronald Reagan republican who draws much inspiration from Rush.
mmmm.....mmmmm.....mmmmm!


8 posted on 08/06/2010 1:46:03 PM PDT by Doulos1 (Bitter Clinger Forever)
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See Saint Sarah (along with a who's who of neocons)

Oh goody, I found another nut. Or is that acorn?

Enterprise left you behind, did it?

9 posted on 08/06/2010 2:01:44 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Hardraade
I think he is talking about that relationship between Palin and neocon Randy Scheuneman that went on for a long time.

Palin put an end to it after Todd started to get jealous over the hanky panky rumors

10 posted on 08/06/2010 2:20:17 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
I think he is talking about that relationship between Palin and neocon Randy Scheuneman

I think I fell down a rabbit hole ;).

11 posted on 08/06/2010 2:41:21 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Doulos1; wideawake
“Unlike most schools of conservative thought, neoconservatives tend to be secular though some believe, as Strauss did, in religion but not god. They think it’s good for the masses and promotes morality.” Wiki

Actually it is the "palaeocons" who believe in religion rather than in G-d. Their support of religion is based on two things: 1)social utility (the usefulness of religion as a conservative force in society) and 2)their radical relativism bordering on henotheism; ie, each of the world's cultures is sustained by its own tradition. Therefore there is no "one true religion" and any claimant to such a title is seen as radical, revolutionary, and disruptive.

History is full of such people: Charles Maurras, Benito Mussolini (after he came to power; before this he was radically iconoclastic), the Southern Agrarians (who also seem to share Obama's energy policy), and basically anyone who invokes "race" or "civilization" or "culture" or "the West" (or any other direction, for that matter) as rather than the Objectively True universal G-d as the norm.

Interestingly enough, third world national liberationism is merely palaeoconservatism for the "historically oppressed."

12 posted on 08/06/2010 2:53:22 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Re'eh, 'Anokhi noten lifneykhem hayom berakhah uqelalah.)
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To: Captain Kirk
Apparently, you are not aware of ths. See Saint Sarah (along with a who's who of neocons) expess her "appreciation" for Obama's Afghan policy here.

Oh noes! The Israelis have fluoridated her drinking water!

13 posted on 08/06/2010 2:54:41 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Re'eh, 'Anokhi noten lifneykhem hayom berakhah uqelalah.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Strange joke there. What the heck is your point?


14 posted on 08/06/2010 9:48:05 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: US Navy Vet

Neo cons have not problem sacrificing Christians on the altar of making money for their corporate buddies.

Of course Obummer would approve.


15 posted on 12/06/2010 12:01:10 PM PST by eleni121 (Prepare the table, watch in the watchtower, eat, drink: arise ye princes, and prepare the shield)
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