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Before birther row, Lt. Col. Lakin racked up medals (WOW CNN lays it honestly for ONCE!)
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Posted on 08/06/2010 1:17:40 PM PDT by cycle of discernment

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To: philman_36
"Watch the video at the link in reply 16."

I've seen the video before. That video is in no way contradictory to CNN piece. Lakin does not believe Obama was born in HI, or at least he has not seen compelling evidence that Obama was born in HI.

Lakin is not asserting Obama isn't an NBC because his father wasn't a US citizen. If he were, there would be no need to obtain the HI BC. As a matter of fact, you'd stipulate the HI birth, and then argue that as a matter of law, he still doesn't qualify. That isn't what Lakin is alleging. CNN is right, for once.

21 posted on 08/06/2010 1:54:51 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
Yes, he doesn't believe Obama to be a NBC because he hasn't seen any "evidence" that Obama was born in HI.
Well can you give some source for that or are you paraphrasing?
22 posted on 08/06/2010 1:55:05 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Yes, it's all over his "website", found below.

http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/

Again, Lakin expressly wants access to the birth certificate.

23 posted on 08/06/2010 1:57:00 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
Lakin does not believe Obama was born in HI, or at least he has not seen compelling evidence that Obama was born in HI.
Well can you give some source for that or are you paraphrasing?
A direct quote would be ever so helpful.
You're a lawyer. You know how effective direct quotes are over somebody's paraphrasing.
24 posted on 08/06/2010 1:57:37 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Read the site. I’m not posting anything from that site.


25 posted on 08/06/2010 2:00:02 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
Yes, it's all over his "website", found below.
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/
His website?

AMERICAN PATRIOT FOUNDATION INC
The American Patriot Foundation, Inc. was founded in 2003 by then-United States Senator Bob Smith to foster understanding of, and respect for, the United States Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and other founding documents.

You wouldn't be...ahem...exaggerating a tad, would you?

Again, Lakin expressly wants access to the birth certificate.
Then it shouldn't be too difficult for you to find a quote then, should it?

26 posted on 08/06/2010 2:03:02 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: OldDeckHand
Read the site. I’m not posting anything from that site.
So you can just say anything you want without any evidence.
I got ya. I should have expected such a response.
27 posted on 08/06/2010 2:04:47 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
"Then it shouldn't be too difficult for you to find a quote then, should it? "

No harder than you finding a quote stating - WHICH YOU INITIALLY STATED - that Lakin DOESN'T want the birth certificate.

To anyone who is not intellectually challenged, that is clear.

28 posted on 08/06/2010 2:05:14 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
No harder than you finding a quote stating - WHICH YOU INITIALLY STATED - that Lakin DOESN'T want the birth certificate.
My understanding is that he DOES want to see the long form birth certificate, or some other proof (that's important), to verify that the POTUS actually is a natural born citizen and is qualified to be CIC, not that he was born in Hawaii. His long form BC would merely confirm that he actually was born in Hawaii.

Press Release April 7, 2010
“Unless it is established (by this sufficient proof that should be easily within your power to provide) that you are Constitutionally eligible to serve as President and my Commander-in-Chief, I, and all other military officers may be following illegal orders. Therefore, sir, until an original birth certificate is brought forward that validates your eligibility and puts to rest the other reasonable questions surrounding your unproven eligibility; I cannot in good conscience obey ANY military orders.”

An original birth certificate is but one way to prove his eligibility.
His father's British citizenship is one way to prove he isn't.

29 posted on 08/06/2010 2:17:57 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: OldDeckHand
There is more to Obama’s eligibility that mere law. Public relations and public opinion win or lose elections.

Fact: A natural born president would be **HONORED** to promptly prove ( with the **best** evidence) to any soldier or citizen that he was indeed natural born and eligible to be president and Commander in Chief.

Conclusion: That Obama has treated military officers and citizens in the manner that he has, strongly indicates that he is a usurper.

30 posted on 08/06/2010 2:18:17 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: drypowder
Lt. Col. Lakin is a selfless hero.

Lakin weaseled out of his duty.

The true hero is the flight surgeon who took Lakin's place in Afghanistan.

31 posted on 08/06/2010 2:20:36 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Da Coyote
than the Obamaloon has accomplished during his hole tawdry life.

"hole"???

Well, yes ... Barry Hussein's tawdry life is a hole. A void. A vacuum. An emptiness.

Fortuitous typo!

32 posted on 08/06/2010 2:20:58 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: philman_36
"My understanding is that he DOES want to see the long form birth certificate, or some other proof (that's important), to verify that the POTUS actually is a natural born citizen and is qualified to be CIC, not that he was born in Hawaii."

Seriously, are you obtuse. I'm REALLY trying to be kind, but either you're being intentionally argumentative, or you're dense. There can be no in-between.

Obama was either born in HI, or he wasn't. But, if Lakin is going to argue that Obama isn't eligible even if he WAS born in HI, then why ask for the HI birth certificate at all?

33 posted on 08/06/2010 2:22:44 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: wintertime
FACT: Presidents of the United States don't prove ANYTHING to uniformed service members. They work for him, he doesn't work for them.

Tell me, were you this eager to have Presidents "prove things" when service members were suing GWB to have him "prove" that Operation Iraqi Freedom wasn't unconstitutional?

I'm sure you were, because I'm sure you're an intellectually honest person, right?

34 posted on 08/06/2010 2:26:03 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: cycle of discernment

The Doctor has more balls than any General in office. The Generals should be ashamed of them selves.


35 posted on 08/06/2010 2:36:07 PM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: OldDeckHand
Obama was either born in HI, or he wasn't.
All too true. Being born in Hawaii doesn't automatically confer upon him the status of a natural born citizen nor does that alone qualify him to be POTUS.

But, if Lakin is going to argue that Obama isn't eligible even if he WAS born in HI, then why ask for the HI birth certificate at all?
Seriously, are you obtuse?
If his father is who he says he is then is he qualified to be POTUS since his father had British citizenship at birth which, in turn, gave him dual citizenship?
What is the harm in proving beyond a shadow of a doubt who his father was?

36 posted on 08/06/2010 2:37:58 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: cycle of discernment
Wouldn't a Christian simply show his bc instead of allowing a man to be destroyed?

Especially when sending that man into a combat zone?

And if Obama fails to do so with this man - how many other people would Obama be willing to destroy with refusing to simply show his bc... 5, 10, 100, 500, 10,000, 500,000???

Look at the millions of dollars Obama has spent.

WTF is he hiding?

Seriously now - WTF is he hiding??

37 posted on 08/06/2010 2:41:42 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: The Old Hoosier

Yeah, he - like all soldiers - is so stupid he has to be lead.... I am highly offended at your insinuation. Lt. Col. Lakin is a leader, not a follower. He has shown his ability to gather information and make informed decisions and he is incredibly brave to take the road that he knows will likely bring ridicule and pain in order to do what he believes to be honorable and right.


38 posted on 08/06/2010 2:45:05 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Hey, Barack "Hubris" Obama, $10 is all it would take, why spend millions to cover it up?)
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To: OldDeckHand
“FACT: Presidents of the United States don't prove ANYTHING to uniformed service members. They work for him, he doesn't work for them. “
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Jumping up and down, and getting red in the face about legal points doesn't make the public relations aspect of Larkin’s case go away. A real natural born American president would **never** treat military officers and other American citizens in the imperial manner that Obama has done. ...Certainly NOT over something as easy to prove as natural born citizenship!

There is more to Obama’s eligibility that mere law. Public relations and public opinion win or lose elections. There is only so much that the DemocRATs can do in the way of fraud. At some point valid ballots will overwhelm even the most brazen Democratic election fraud.

By the way...Were you aware that Rush Limbaugh **respectfully** and **seriously** discussed the Birthers today on his show? Gee! That TWICE in one week that Rush Limbaugh has brought up Obama’s eligibility. Think about that.... TWENTY MILLION ADULT VOTING LISTENERS!

If Obama wants a martyr all he needs to do is throw Larkin in prison! Or...Maybe Larkin will mysteriously be shot to death in the same way Lieutenant Quarles was? Hm?... How many times could that happen without the American public getting suspicious?

Fact: A natural born president would be **HONORED** to promptly prove ( with the **best** evidence) to any soldier or citizen that he was indeed natural born and eligible to be president and Commander in Chief.

Conclusion: That Obama has treated military officers and citizens in the manner that he has, strongly indicates that he is a usurper.

39 posted on 08/06/2010 2:48:03 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: philman_36
'If his father is who he says he is then is he qualified to be POTUS since his father had British citizenship at birth which, in turn, gave him dual citizenship? "

Obama has openly admitted his father was not a US citizen, but a Kenyan, and because of such, Obama, Jr was at the time of his birth, was eligible for Kenyan citizenship.

You're not thinking very rationally, or logically. If you're going to make the argument that Obama isn't eligible despite being born in HI, then there is no factual or legal reason you need to see his birth certificate. The pertinent facts would all be stipulated and are a matter of public record.

The only reason to see Obama's so-called long form birth certificate is to prove or disprove his HI birth, apprently.

The ENTIRE premise of Lakin's argument has NOTHING to do with the nationality of Obama's father, and everything to do with the birth certificate. I have seen no quotes from Lakin nor his counsel that indicate Obama isn't qualified even if he was born in HI. That is not the argument Lakin is making.

40 posted on 08/06/2010 2:55:14 PM PDT by OldDeckHand
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