Before birther row, Lt. Col. Lakin racked up medals (WOW CNN lays it honestly for ONCE!)

http://www.cnn.com/ ^

[bvw]

Larkin also wins by losing. You lose.

[jamese777]

There are allegations that there is a fraud in the white house. Instead of presenting evidence to the contrary, the accused fights those who ask legitimate questiond. The courts, the secretaries of state, and congress also have culpability in the matter. This guy is doing what people with ethics and who support the contitution do. I know that seems odd to many, but that’s just a comment on the sorry state of the law in the US.

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You must not be an American because in America it is the prosecution that presents the evidence of a crime.

If there even the slighest bit of evidence of fraud, any prosecuting attorney could begin a grand jury investigation, subpoena documents and compel witnesses to testify under oath in preparation for a possible indictment.
President Nixon was forced to resign due to the evidence gathered by a Special Prosecutor for the Watergate Grand Jury.
President Clinton was impeached due to the evidence gathered by a Special Counsel for the Whitewater Grand Jury.

[philman_36]

This thread is about Lakin's court-martial.
BZZZT! Oh, so sorry! You don't get to dictate what the content of discussion on a thread is about.
You do get to answer the question if you want to even though you don't like it.
Do you still contend that such a situation makes such a person a natural born citizen and qualifies them to be POTUS despite the copious amount of information that states otherwise?

It's becoming apparent and painfully obvious that you don't want to answer the question and strongly desire only specific things be discussed.

[bvw]

That response of yours, jamese77, made as much sense as spit on a San Antonio sidewalk at noon on August 1st.

[OldDeckHand]

"It is a simple matter to prove that one is a natural born citizen."

To the satisfaction of over 50 million voters, 50 state Secretaries of State, the Electoral College, the US Senate that certified the Electoral College results and the presiding Supreme Court Chief Justice, he has.

"Obama has gone to considerable effort and spent tax dollars and his own to prevent the release of the common documents that would prove ( or disprove) his natural born status."

Obama has done what everyone does when sued in a court of law. He's defended himself. Not a single legal case has survived defendant's MTD. How about that?

[philman_36]

The only reason to see the birth certificate is to verify the Hawaiian birth.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.

If you want to verify Hawaiian birth, then you must not believe Obama was born in HI.
Well, you see, that's just it. Nobody can verify anything. I have no idea where he was born as there is nothing to look at. I'm either just supposed to take his word for it or believe some image on the Internet. Which are you going to do?

Of course, my "contention" has prevailed in no less than 60 of these birther cases. How about that?
That means you spend a lot of time on eligibility threads and thoroughly believe that you're right about everything and nobody else could be right nor should they hold an opinion different from yours.

That's my presumption based upon 25-years of practicing military law.
presumption
2 a : an attitude or belief dictated by probability : assumption

[little jeremiah]

I think he’s a Journeyman Wanker by now.

[wxgesr]

Not that it matters to anyone, but I believe that ObommieDaCommie was born in Honolulu, but his birth father was NOT a citizen of the USA so Barry is not eligible to be POTUS!

[philman_36]

(1) a recent court decision
Which court decision is that?

(2) a clear historical and legal line of argument reaching back to the origins of this country that "born here" is good enough;
Got link or am I just supposed to take your word for it?

(3) the fact of Obama not being born to two citizen parents being a stipulated fact before the election, with not a single election official, elector, congressperson, or Dick Cheney objecting.
The whole world once knew that the world was flat? Did not questioning that "fact" make it, in actually, flat or was it still a globe despite what everyone "knew"?

None of that is relevant to the Lakin case, which will proceed to conviction without the need to investigate any of it.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.

[OldDeckHand]

"That means you spend a lot of time on eligibility threads and thoroughly believe that you're right about everything and nobody else could be right nor should they hold an opinion different from yours. "

No, it means my legal opinion on these cases has been validated by at least 60 federal judges, whose opinions have also been validated on appeal in roughly half those cases.

Can you point to a single ruling even on motions that went favorably for birthers? Just one?

Yep, everyone has an opinion, but it's clear that my opinion is the only one that is winning. Isn't that something?

[philman_36]

So many questions...
Did Lakin refuse to deploy during George Bush's presidency...
Not that I'm aware of? AFAIK there wasn't an issue as to whether or not he was qualified to be POTUS.
...or did George send Lakin a personally signed copy of his birth certificate, just because?
Ahhhhh, you're trying to be snide! How cute!

[philman_36]

No, it means my legal opinion on these cases has been validated by at least 60 federal judges, whose opinions have also been validated on appeal in roughly half those cases.
I'm sure that is exactly what you believe. Pat yourself on the back again. You're doing a great job!

[usmcobra]

Has he done so?

and under the UCMJ is he allowed to do so?

[rolling_stone]

If you're going to make a political point, take off the uniform. Otherwise, show-up, shut-up and do your job.

I was just following orders... "Nuremberg Defense." yeah that's the ticket..

[wintertime]

3. At this stage the prosecution has nothing to lose in cooperating with the defense to get the testimony of the officials and the documents available in the official records. IMHO the worst position for the government would be to refuse to get the official records from Hawaii or to make the witness available by telephone on the motion. Moot the issue, accede to the defense requests for motions testimony and certified copies of the official records. 4. In the process the prosecution can ask the court for the documents to be sealed, that the parties be prohibited from further distribution of the documents, and that the documents be made available by later court order if necessary, for an appeal for example. The documents would contain personal information ultimately irrelevant to the issues in the case. Remember, discovery in a criminal trial is not about a public right to know, it’s about an accused’s right of access to information that may be helpful to the defense.

Hm?...So...Even though they would not be permitted to speak about it. A fistful of attorneys, LTC Lakin, and others would **KNOW** what was in those records.

So?...Since I am not an attorney, what is the penalty for tell the world what is, indeed, in those records? If the penalty is a slap on the wrist, how would the Obama machine keep all these people quiet? ( Gee! How many people can be found shot dead in their car like Lieutenant Quarles without it looking really suspicious?)

[curiosity]

Unfortunately, valor in battle does not necessarily correlate with good judgement and discernment.

It's very sad that the birther fruitcakes were able to dupe a brave man like Larkin into supporting their cause.

[deport]

The charges and specifications that were filed against LTC Lakin......

887. ART. 87. MISSING MOVEMENT

Any person subject to this chapter who through neglect or design misses the movement of a ship, aircraft, or unit with which he is required in the course of duty to move shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

CHARGE I, VIOLATION OF THE UCMJ. ARTICLE 87

The Specification: In that Lieutenant Colonel Terrence L. Lakin, US Army, did, at or near Arlington, Virginia, on or about 12 April 2010, through design, miss the movement of US Airways Flight Number 1123, departing from Baltimore/Washington International Airport arriving in Charlotte, North Carolina, in order to deploy for a Temporary Change of Station in support of Operation Enduring Freedom with the 32nd Calvary Regiment, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault), Fort Campbell, Kentucky, with which he was required in the course of duty to move.

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892. ART. 92. FAILURE TO OBEY ORDER OR REGULATION

Any person subject to this chapter who—

(1) violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation;
(2) having knowledge of any other lawful order issued by any member of the armed forces, which it is his duty to obey, fails to obey the order; or

(3) is derelict in the performance of his duties; shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

CHARGE II, VIOLATION OF THE UCMJ . ARTICLE 92

Specification 1: In that Lieutenant Colonel Terrence L. Lakin, US Army, having knowledge of a lawful order issued by Lieutenant Colonel William Judd, to report to the office of his Brigade Commander, Colonel Gordon R. Roberts, at 1345 hours, or words to that effect, an order which it was his duty to obey, did, at or near Arlington, Virginia, on or about 31 March 2010, fail to obey the same by wrongfully not reporting as directed.

Specification 2: In that Lieutenant Colonel Terrence L. Lakin, US Army, having knowledge of a lawful order issued by Colonel Gordon R. Roberts, to wit: a memorandum signed by the said Colonel Gordon R. Roberts, dated 31 March 2010, an order which it was his duty to obey, did, at or near Arlington, Virginia, on or about 31 March 2010, fail to obey the same by wrongfully not reporting as directed.

Specification 3: In that Lieutenant Colonel Terrence L. Lakin, US Army, having knowledge of a lawful order issued by Colonel Peter M. McHugh, to wit: Temporary Change of Station orders 099-17, dated 9 April 2010, issued by Colonel Peter McHugh, requiring the said Lieutenant Colonel Terrence L. Lakin to report to Fort Campbell, Kentucky not later than 1500 hours on 12 April 2010, an order which it was his duty to obey, did at or near Washington, District of Columbia, on or about 12 April 2010, fail to obey the same by wrongfully failing to report to 32nd Calvary Regiment, 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault), Fort Campbell, Kentucky.

Specification 4: In that Lieutenant Colonel Terrence L. Lakin, US Army, who knew or should have known of his duties at or near Washington, District of Columbia, on or about 12 April 2010, was derelict in the performance of those duties in that he willfully failed to report to Fort Campbell, Kentucky in accordance with Temporary Change of Station orders 099-17, dated 9 April 2010, issued by Colonel Peter McHugh, in support of Operation Enduring Freedom, as it was his duty to do.

[curiosity]

The claim will be that Obama is irrelevant to the legality of the order.

And that claim will be correct.

[philman_36]

You should just go ahead and change your screen name to Oscar Zoroaster Phadrig Isaac Norman Henkel Emmannuel Ambroise Diggs (O.Z.P.I.N.H.E.A.D.).

[curiosity]

Fact: It is a simple matter to prove that one is a natural born citizen.

True, and Obama's done it.

Fact: Obama has gone to considerable effort and spent tax dollars and his own to prevent the release of the common documents that would prove ( or disprove) his natural born status.

Nope. Not true.

Fact: A natural born president would be **HONORED** to promptly prove ( with the **best** evidence) to any soldier or citizen that he was indeed natural born and eligible to be president and Commander in Chief.

How do you figure? Since when did being a natural born citizen guarantee that a person won't be an SOB?

Conclusion: That Obama has treated military officers and citizens in the manner that he has, strongly indicates that he is a usurper.

Sorry, your conclusion does not follow from the premises.