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Senate dumps strategy to prevent EMP damage
World Net Daily ^ | August 7, 2010 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 08/06/2010 10:32:01 PM PDT by Errant

The U.S. Senate has dropped a House-approved plan that would prepare the United States to defend itself from an attack from any electromagnetic pulse source – whether it would be from a natural solar flare or the detonation of a space-located nuclear weapon by enemies intent on destroying America's infrastructure, according to a representative who has raised alarms over EMP.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: attack; damage; emp; grid; solar
From the Article: It would cost about $100 million to protect much of the grid, but if the grid went down, it would cost us between $1 trillion and $2 trillion in damages, and the loss of life could be horrendous if in fact you were without electricity for months at a time."
1 posted on 08/06/2010 10:32:06 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

More than most research says solar flare activity has no ability to produce an EMP.


2 posted on 08/06/2010 10:34:57 PM PDT by BigGaloot
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To: Errant

But they can scrap money for unions, illegals, islamists, etc. Their lack of care for the defense of this country borders on treason.


3 posted on 08/06/2010 10:36:19 PM PDT by ABQHispConservative (November, here we come!)
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To: blam; All

It’s becoming obvious that the majority of America’s leaders in Washington are trying to destroy her and us.


4 posted on 08/06/2010 10:36:53 PM PDT by Errant
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To: BigGaloot
Scientists have warned that a really big solar eruption could destroy satellites and wreck power and communications grids around the globe if it happened today.

Nasa scientists braced for 'solar tsunami' to hit earth

Screw the research, we have actual events that have occurred.

5 posted on 08/06/2010 10:41:41 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

A hundred million!:
One hundred million! How can we justify spending that kind of money when it will take away welfare benefits for a few thousand teachers around these United States.

Or, Firefighters, or Police, Or community organizers!

Priorities man, git your priorities!


6 posted on 08/06/2010 10:42:29 PM PDT by Noob1999
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To: Errant

These bastards in Washington must think they live in some invincible world. I wouldn p-— on any of them if they were on fire.


7 posted on 08/06/2010 10:44:05 PM PDT by unkus
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To: unkus

If they were on fire, would you hose them down with liquid oxygen?


8 posted on 08/06/2010 10:48:42 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: BigGaloot
More than most research says solar flare activity has no ability to produce an EMP.

Thanks for the enlightened education. I will just tear the following page out of my college physics book.


9 posted on 08/06/2010 10:49:26 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. There are Wars and Rumors of War.)
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New York Times best selling author William R. Forstchen now brings us a story which can be all too terrifyingly real...a story in which one man struggles to save his family and his small North Carolina town after America loses a war, in one second, a war that will send America back to the Dark Ages...A war based upon a weapon, an Electro Magnetic Pulse (EMP). A weapon that may already be in the hands of our enemies. Months before publication, One Second After has already been cited on the floor of Congress as a book all Americans should read, a book already being discussed in the corridors of the Pentagon as a truly realistic look at a weapon and its awesome power to destroy the entire United States, literally within one second. It is a weapon that the Wall Street Journal warns could shatter America. In the tradition of On the Beach, Fail Safe and Testament, this book, set in a typical American town, is a dire warning of what might be our future...and our end.

Note who the introduction is by...

10 posted on 08/06/2010 10:52:45 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

Newt... doesn’t his heyday date back to the Cold War?

Anyhow, Yellowstone might erupt into a volcano too. That would ash up most of the continental USA quite nicely for centuries as well as plunging the earth into an unscheduled ice age.

Think we all need to have peace, as best we can find it, with the Man Upstairs. Getting hit by lightning, dying in a car wreck, all much more likely things than some fool rendering the USA into a wasteland rather than a tasty easily swallowed morsel.


11 posted on 08/06/2010 11:02:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: OneWingedShark

If they were on fire, would you hose them down with liquid oxygen?


I’d just let the bastards smolder.


12 posted on 08/06/2010 11:08:35 PM PDT by unkus
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Yellowstone might erupt into a volcano too

There are somethings we can't do anything about. Others like damage to our electrical grid from a EMP or CME can be prevented. Another thing, the chance of Yellowstone erupting in the next 100K years is insignificant compared to the odds of a massive CME from the sun or a EMP event occurring during our children's or grandchildren's generation.

13 posted on 08/06/2010 11:22:45 PM PDT by Errant
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To: PA Engineer

As the diagram refers to Compton Scattering of high energy photons off of atomic electrons, I’m not sure how that’s relevant. The flux from solar flares is electrons and ions spiraling along magnetic field lines, and these electric currents can induce currents in power grids that cause overloads ... AFAIUI.


14 posted on 08/06/2010 11:25:36 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Errant
Nasa scientists braced for 'solar tsunami' to hit earth
And yet, "A Nasa spokesman was unavailable for comment".

This would be the "global warming/climate change" NASA.

15 posted on 08/06/2010 11:37:40 PM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: lewislynn
This would be the "global warming/climate change" NASA.

They do that part time along with counseling mooselimbs. One of NASA's core competencies however is monitoring and predicting solar CMEs.

16 posted on 08/06/2010 11:52:26 PM PDT by Errant
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To: dr_lew

The Compton scattering occurs at altitudes between 20 and 40 km.


17 posted on 08/07/2010 12:08:17 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. There are Wars and Rumors of War.)
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To: Errant
WHAT THE HELL???????

I really want to give these people the benefit of the doubt,BUT!!!!

But with this stunt,How can one possibly think that they want to protect this country?

We have to admit that this country is led by TRAITORS!


18 posted on 08/07/2010 12:26:05 AM PDT by Cheapskate (Play loud and carry BIG sticks!)
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To: Errant

I believe that a nuclear explosion above the USA could cause EMP. I believe this is part of Iran’s plan.


19 posted on 08/07/2010 12:46:44 AM PDT by chopperman
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To: Errant
One of NASA's core competencies however is monitoring and predicting solar CMEs.
Interesting. Just one more reason for defunding NASA.

When can we expect their testimoney before congress blaming man for "man made CME's"?

20 posted on 08/07/2010 1:01:32 AM PDT by lewislynn (What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in common? Disinformation)
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To: chopperman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse


21 posted on 08/07/2010 2:24:58 AM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: Errant

Great Book!


22 posted on 08/07/2010 2:43:17 AM PDT by united1000
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To: Errant

Just tell NASA that an EMP would adversely affect our relations with the Islamic world and watch how fast they react!


23 posted on 08/07/2010 3:14:45 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: OneWingedShark
If they were on fire, would you hose them down with liquid oxygen?

Even if they wasn't on fire. ;)

24 posted on 08/07/2010 3:28:11 AM PDT by bIlluminati (Don't just hope for change, work for change in 2010.)
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To: BigGaloot

It’s already happened. Did you ever hear of the “Carrington Event” of 1859? A similar event happened in Canada in 1989.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/06may_carringtonflare/


25 posted on 08/07/2010 4:02:15 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: Errant

So our overlords think they even overcome the sun?


26 posted on 08/07/2010 4:23:08 AM PDT by mo
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To: sneakers

“It’s already happened. “
Beat me to it!

A mere hundred million? That’s a pittance. Even if it never happens it still would provide high tech jobs which is more than Obama’s stimulus is doing now!

BTW the next solar maximum is about 2012-2014.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm................


27 posted on 08/07/2010 4:29:27 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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To: PA Engineer

Mr. Compton would be proud.


28 posted on 08/07/2010 6:01:44 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (There is no "common good" which minimizes or sacrifices the individual. --Walter Scott Hudson)
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To: Errant
“and the loss of life could be horrendous if in fact you were without electricity for months at a time.”

A sufficiently strong - mil grade - EMP burst would destroy the generators (which are built in Norway and other countries, currently taking 2 years to build) - so your wait for electricity would be years, not months (if not decades), effectively returning the county to the early 19th century.

So yes it is a huge waste of otherwise perfectly worthless dollars which could go to worthy endeavors such as increasing teacher salaries, union subsides, and political elite pay raises.

29 posted on 08/07/2010 6:33:45 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine .. now it is your turn..)
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To: united1000
There is an even better story (IMO) that used to be available free online, if you haven't read it, called “Lights Out”. The person who wrote it is publishing it and is working on a movie deal as I believe the author of “One Second After” is also working on a movie deal.

Discusion about the book "Lights Out"

30 posted on 08/07/2010 8:03:45 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Erik Latranyi

LOL, you tell them... They won’t listen to me. ;)


31 posted on 08/07/2010 8:04:45 AM PDT by Errant
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To: PIF
So yes it is a huge waste

What's really a waste is all of the fools in DC converting our oxygen to CO2 and methane.

32 posted on 08/07/2010 8:14:50 AM PDT by Errant
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To: BigGaloot

>>>More than most research says solar flare activity has no ability to produce an EMP.<<<

Correct in the particulars, but then there are events that stand out in the historical record.

In late August and early September 1859 there was the Carrington Event, named for the astronomer who saw the solar flare emerge from the sun. Telegraphs went down all over the world; wire were seen sparking spontaneously; paper near those wires burst into flame. In addition, auroral displays were seen worldwide, including near the tropics, and they so bright in the Rockies miners thought the sun was coming up. (As an aside, I live in Alaska - I wish I could have seen that from up here, although with my computer and television in the root cellar.)

Of course, there just wasn’t a lot of wiring and electronics back then, but what was around was damaged. A similar event today would wreck a lot of equipment, according to people to know this stuff much better than myself. There were smaller storms in 1921 and 1960 which disrupted radio. A solar flare created the Quebec blackout of 1989. According to astonomers, a Carrington Event takes place once every 500 years, although that’s an average, not a schedule. I would imagine that such an event would also destroy much of the planet’s satellite systems.

I’m not preaching doom and gloom, but saying it won’t happen is different from it rarely happening. Up here, we get little earthquakes all the time that just rattle the dishes, but every few centuries we get one that will destroy the town. Preparing for the big earthquake is something that we all do up here; yes, it’s a little expensive, but not as expensive as having your house wrecked without any food or water. Like everything, it’s give-and-take, and hardening the infrastructure against a Carrington Event seems like a reasonable expenditure.

That’s not to mention our buddies the Iranians launching a missle and exploding a nuclear weapon in the atmosphere over Chicago, which would also produce an EMP.


33 posted on 08/07/2010 10:53:42 AM PDT by redpoll
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To: sneakers
Did you ever hear of the “Carrington Event” of 1859?

Spark discharges shocked telegraph operators and set the telegraph paper on fire.

That's a single pair of copper wires. Imagine what a 21st century power grid would do.

34 posted on 08/07/2010 11:06:47 AM PDT by Gideon7
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To: Errant

I’ll check it out.


35 posted on 08/07/2010 7:32:32 PM PDT by united1000
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