Posted on 08/07/2010 8:22:35 PM PDT by bushpilot1
Much has been said the orders sending Ltc Lakin to Afganistan were not from President Obama but from his military commander.
All military orders are from the President. In the book titled Military Law and Precedents by Colonel William Winthrop on page and 20 it states the following:
"Military Commanders giving orders represent the Commander-in-Chief, the President."
ARGHH!!! When is Jim gonna let us edit our posts?
Umm... That would be Viet Cong, Victor Charlie, yada, yada, yada...
No. You think the Left can't replace good conservative service members with liberals? It's already happening.
Let's not make it happen faster.
Nice job moving the goalposts. You claimed these people could be replaced 'easily' (your word, not mine) and then you said it's not that easy. Obviously you can't support that argument, which was ridiculous, so you're trying to engage in a different argument. Typical and ultimately even more laughable.
Easily overnight? No. Easily after a few years? Absolutely. A few years isn't a long time. Think about it. If we start showing the door to conservative now, by 2015 --a mere five years, we could have a thoroughly liberal indoctrinated military. The Left would salivate at such a prospect.
You seem to be in disbelief by my suggestion that encouraging a conservative defection from the ranks would result in a military that is transformed leftward.
Why is this? Do you honestly think this can't happen?
I'm going to bed. I won't be posting any more on this thread tonight but I'd be more than happy to continue this debate after about eight hours.
And with this comment, you disprove your point about the American left's ability to fight. You just can't make up comedy like this. Too rich.
Why do you think they called it a gorilla war? ;-)
>> the Viet Kong,
LOL!
yeah, yeah - I know you posted a correction...
You haven't answered my question.
I'm saying the military can be transformed, if we let it, from a largely conservative institution into one that is liberal. This transformation, under the right political atmosphere, will take a few quick years but can be accomplished by fostering an environment that encourages conservatives to leave the ranks while retaining and enlisting liberal service members, --much the same as what America allowed to happen to academia back in the 60s-70s.
Do you agree or disagree?
You’d have to double or triple the pay to get liberals to enlist as readily as conservatives.
It’s possible that a mass refusal to obey orders would be political devastation for Obama, because it would elevate the eligibility question. (Could be that’s why you’re pushing back.)
You haven't asked any questions worth answering. First you say 5,000 troops can be replaced easily, then you can it won't be that easy. Then you brag about the ability of the left to fight, but you only support that with foreign examples. Did we forget Vietnam and the left's aversion to all things military?? And you epitomized this aversion by loudly proclaiming you were running off to bed (not setting a good example of steely grit and determination). Again, thanks for the laughs. Do you know what the word caricature means??
Not in this economy. All branches of the military are meeting their enlistment quotas. Reenlistments are at record highs. Advancement opportunities are at record lows because nobody is getting out.
You can look it up yourself.
The military is one of the last few jobs with full health benefits anymore. And paid leave. And the base pay + BAS + BAH, etc. --even for a lowly E5 like myself is pretty good. And you're under contract so your job is guaranteed for a few years anyways.
They don't need everyone to be liberal, --just the officers. Molding the enlisted ranks will be easy.
Good fail, drew. Nothing you posted says that liberals are enlisting as readily as conservatives. I guess if you go on and on about basic stats, it sounds like you’re addressing the point that was made.
The left only has an aversion to things military when it fits in their agenda. As for turning the military - it's already happening. Fastest at the officer level. If you have a bit longer memory than your signup-date suggests, you'll remember that the Clintons were actually running deep research on how big a segment of the US military would be OK with firing on American citizens, and that Waco was an actual trial balloon in which not only American military but foreign (British) was used. Against American citizens and their children, by the left.
It fits their agenda today. The left is upset Obama hasn’t gotten us out of Iraq by now. The left is upset that we escalated the effort in Afhanistan. Obama signs up the left for organizations like ACORN and SEIU. There’s little evidence the military has changed. In case you forgot, IFP Clinton cut a lot of military spending and he continued base closings and realignment. We went through the Bush years hearing how conservative the military is. Obama has had little time to reverse that, and if it’s like other things he tries to do, he’s not succeeding.
If you think the military today is monolithically conservative, keep burying your head in the sand. I can assure you it's not.
The Left wins by slowly transforming institutions. If conservatives want to speed this process up by encouraging a conservative defection from the ranks out of spite towards Obama, rest assured this transformation will happen quicker.
Wow, you’re really good with the monolithic blanket claims, but not so good with substantiating your claim. I didn’t claim the military is ‘monolithically conservative,’ so good strawman there, by the way.
The results of the digging done by the Clinnton admin was that at the time, 20-25% of the military would be straight up with attacking Americans and would follow such orders. That was around 2000, and the numbers should still be around. You should also be aware that the current administration is nothing but a continuation of the Clinton administration, and that this is fairly easily provable.
You also see the officer level sliding leftwards like a set of curling stones. Wtf do you think, exactly, hides in the term "perfumed prince"??
It's easy to think that all the armed factions and terrorist groups of the world are muslim. Actually, armed conflict involving communist groups (mostly maoist) is all over the place. For the US, look up Jericho. Far, far left. Black orientation. Hooked up with islamic groups in the US, but also CIRA and INLA in Ireland, ETA and the Breton liberation army,
As for the left agenda, it hasn't changed at all. It has remained static for a generation. And they're happy with troops - if they can use them.
I'm curious, what branch of the military do you currently serve?
Whether I’m in the military or not doesn’t make you right. You’re establishing a logical fallacy to avoid supporting your claims. Try again, drew, and come up with a real rebuttal if you have one.
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