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Scottish Cardinal attacks US over Lockerbie bomber reaction
BBC ^ | 8 August 2010

Posted on 08/07/2010 11:07:29 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin

The leader of the Roman Catholic Church in Scotland has made an outspoken attack on the United States over the release of the Lockerbie bomber.

Cardinal Keith O'Brien said the Scottish government was right to free Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi last year on compassionate grounds.

US lawmakers want Scottish politicians to explain to a Senate committee their decision to release Megrahi.

But the cardinal said ministers should not go crawling to the US like lapdogs.

Kenny MacAskill, the Scottish government's justice secretary, released Megrahi, who has prostate cancer, after being told that three months was a "reasonable estimate" of his life expectancy.

However, he is still alive after almost a year and the decision continues to provoke anger in the United States, which was home to 189 of the Lockerbie victims.

Cardinal O'Brien said it was understandable why the families and friends of the 270 people killed on board Pan Am flight 103 in 1988 would want "justice" and "even vengeance".

But in an article for the newspaper Scotland on Sunday, he suggested Americans should "direct their gaze inwards" rather than scrutinise how the Scottish justice system worked.

"They seem to think they have got it right, and I don't think they've got it right, and I don't think most Christians would believe they have got it right either. It's not an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. And they really should look to the beam in their own eye rather than thinking what's wrong with us."

He added: "I think the United States government in many, many states - more than half of the states in the United States - they have a culture of vengeance."

He said the use of the death penalty meant the US kept "invidious company" with countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: almegrahi; cardinal; lockerbie; megrahi; scotland; scotland4alqaeda; scotland4bombers; scotland4murderers; scotland4terrorists; scotlandtreason; uktreason; underthekilt

1 posted on 08/07/2010 11:07:32 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin
"They seem to think they have got it right, and I don't think they've got it right, and I don't think most Christians would believe they have got it right either. It's not an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. And they really should look to the beam in their own eye rather than thinking what's wrong with us."

With Catholics like this, Protestant Churches pandering to homos, and Unitarians spreading confusion who wants to be a Christian?

2 posted on 08/07/2010 11:16:46 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Anybody wondering why the West is sinking into chaos need only read the musings of this degenerate priest.
3 posted on 08/07/2010 11:16:53 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: DeaconBenjamin
I am a practicing Catholic, and I humble submit that Cardinal Keith O'Brien is way, way out of his legitimate field of competence.

If he feels compassion for a terrorist, them pray for him. Pray for him publicly if you feel strongly. But to chastise the victims and their representative who are only seek secular justice is way, way over the top, and not legitimately within His Eminence’s purview! Those who are more qualified than I, please correct me if I am missing something here

4 posted on 08/07/2010 11:18:29 PM PDT by J Edgar
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Scottish Pharisee attacks US... The Bible is full of zip wads like this guy and his whole "generation of vipers".
5 posted on 08/07/2010 11:19:48 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Fudaidh!


6 posted on 08/07/2010 11:21:19 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: J Edgar

Cardinal O’Brien is out of his mind. He is not preaching compassion, he is preaching injustice and disrespect of human life. Murderers, especially mass murderers, must be put to death or innocent life loses worth.
Without justice, mercy is meaningless.
“May God have mercy” is an appropriate speech, but “Release the mass murderer” is just plain nuts.
Justice is not vengeance - it is the order of good civilization.


7 posted on 08/07/2010 11:30:57 PM PDT by ValerieTexas
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To: DeaconBenjamin
No suprise for me, This guy is a prick... I ride with him on Tuesdays. Photobucket
8 posted on 08/07/2010 11:35:30 PM PDT by DanielRedfoot (What a fool believes, No wise man has the power to reason away)
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To: Cardanal O'Bung

"they really should look to the beam in their own eye rather than thinking what's wrong with us"

Thing is, the instant you quote that it becomes directed at you.


9 posted on 08/07/2010 11:36:29 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

>> who wants to be a Christian?

Comparing those derived religions to Christianity is like comparing our current form of govt to the Constitution.


10 posted on 08/07/2010 11:41:04 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

You’ll find Catholic priests at most of the pro-illegal alien demonstrations also.


11 posted on 08/07/2010 11:48:53 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Dear terrorist loving nozzles;

The jerkwad you want everybody to show compassion for may outlive many of the victim's families as a free man. Their punishment will go on until the day they die.

One thing about the death penalty. It has a 100% success rate stopping repeat offenders.

12 posted on 08/07/2010 11:49:51 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Gene Eric
Comparing those derived religions to Christianity is like comparing our current form of govt to the Constitution.

Yes it is. A small minority of leftist do-gooders seem to have positioned themselves at the reigns of government and the pulpit. Just about any church upsets me now.

13 posted on 08/07/2010 11:50:38 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: ValerieTexas

“...Murderers, especially mass murderers, must be put to death or innocent life loses worth.
Without justice, mercy is meaningless...”

Worth repeating! Your whole reply was great.


14 posted on 08/07/2010 11:51:08 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
There is compassion and then there is Idiot Compassion.
15 posted on 08/08/2010 12:15:16 AM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
With Catholics like this, Protestant Churches pandering to homos, and Unitarians spreading confusion who wants to be a Christian?

I think this is the greatest problem facing the world today. We in America and the West have the freedom and prosperity we enjoy today as a result of our Christian heritage. Yet Christianity today is almost completely undermined by demonic leftists pretending to be Christians. If the evil ones succeed in redefining Christianity as collectivism then humankind will return to the spiritual and political desert of paganism.

16 posted on 08/08/2010 12:24:23 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: ValerieTexas

I believe you have hit several nails smack dab upon their heads.

Mercy has no meaning without justice, right and wrong (morality) has no meaning without judgement, and love has no context without morality.

When these attributes are Divine, they are Infinite, Flawless, Unchanging, and hardly comprehensible by human standards. Cardinal O’Brien needs to explain a whole bunch more, as in what about the victim robbed of earthly life! IMHO


17 posted on 08/08/2010 12:32:05 AM PDT by J Edgar
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Well, Ol’ Kenny needs to understand that if America has a culture of vengence, it is our culture of vengence. He needs to get concerned about the prostate function within his church.


18 posted on 08/08/2010 2:09:09 AM PDT by healy61
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To: DeaconBenjamin
We have here a member of an organized religion, which openly advocates the murder of infidels, murdering hundreds of innocent nonbelievers in the name of that organized religion. He is not executed for his murders but sentenced under Scottish law to imprisonment which he ultimately evades through alleged fraud and corruption. Upon his release, other adherents of this organized religion openly celebrate him and his murders.

When the American relatives of the victims request an official and open inquiry into the circumstances of this transparently fraudulent transaction, the author of this article, a Roman Catholic cardinal, writes that Americans should not presume to inquire into the Scottish justice but rather consider their own declensions. Evidently, the good Cardinal objects to an "invidious" practice which he says Americans have in common with other nations which practice the organized religion in question, to wit, capital punishment.

The article does not make explicit how the Cardinal logically connects the fact that about 50 percent of American states have capital punishment to an inquiry into a fraud perpetuated against Scottish justice. Does the cardinal mean that capital punishment creates a "culture of vengeance" which disqualifies those tainted by this association from inquiring into miscarriages of Scottish justice? Curiously, the cardinal does not distinguish between those Americans resident in states which have capital punishment from those resident in states which do not. He disqualifies both classes from such inquiry, evidently on moral and religious grounds.

By his own words, the cardinal associates American citizens of one state with those of another state and finds all equally disqualified perhaps because, "the use of the death penalty means the US kept "invidious company" with countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran. " It could be that the cardinal believes that since the United States as a whole has retained the death penalty on the federal level all citizens of the United States are tainted. How are they tainted? Guilt by association, of course, the United States somehow resembles countries "like Saudi Arabia and Iran" which are theocracies conducted by the religion in question, the religion of the mass murderer, the religion of the jubilant public celebrating the mass -murderer's release from prison.

Finally, the cardinal does not tell us what capital punishment in America has to do with imprisonment in Scotland. Why should Americans, even those benighted American who support capital punishment, be disqualified from inquiring into the allegedly corruptly procured release from prison in Scotland of a mass murderer of 189 Americans? Are Americans so corrupted by the mere presence of capital punishment in their midst that they cannot even ask about corruption which permits the guilty to escape punishment by imprisonment?

Maybe the cardinal's objection really has not so much to do with capital punishment, maybe it has to do with compassion and the avoidance of the sin of "retribution ." "Cardinal O'Brien said Americans are too fixed on retribution." Maybe, no punishment is in order less we seek retribution?

The cardinal could have considered that Americans are considering deterrence. What about the effect in places like Saudi Arabia and Iran, does the cardinal think they will be deterred by the travesty in Scotland? By all accounts, the mass murderer is healthy enough to murder again. If he does, I am sure the relatives of new American victims will take Cardinal O'Brien's admonition to heart and avoid fixating on "retribution."

Punishment is so Old Testament.


19 posted on 08/08/2010 2:13:45 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: J Edgar

He could be your pope one day...


20 posted on 08/08/2010 2:54:59 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: DeaconBenjamin

I’m a Catholic and I love my Church, but I must say that the Cardinal is very wrong in his take on this. Americans, who if I remember correctly made up the majority of the victims in this bombing, are not necessarily looking for vengeance but they are looking for justice.

Cardinal O’Brien’s motives in making all these accusations against the US may be very sincere and heartfelt, but sadly they come across as an attempt to muddy the water and take the, well deserved, heat off of his country. Scotland made a bad decision and now they are mortified and embarrassed. Unless something dramatic and unexpected happens to rectify the situation, it seems that Scotland as well as all the rest of us, will just have to live with it.


21 posted on 08/08/2010 3:06:18 AM PDT by Mila
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To: DeaconBenjamin

O’Brien is a well known leftist, gay-friendly fool who hates the current Pope.


22 posted on 08/08/2010 3:08:34 AM PDT by livius
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To: Gene Eric

They are all derived religions from Christianity, Roman Catholicism included!


23 posted on 08/08/2010 5:13:19 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Mike Mathis is my name,opinions are my own,subject to flaming when deserved!)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

It would have been compassionate to execute him.


24 posted on 08/08/2010 5:14:32 AM PDT by freedomfiter2
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Unlikely.


25 posted on 08/08/2010 5:29:42 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: DeaconBenjamin

You’re wrong, Keith.


26 posted on 08/08/2010 5:40:31 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

“With Catholics like this, Protestant Churches pandering to homos, and Unitarians spreading confusion who wants to be a Christian? “

But none of these is Christian.


27 posted on 08/08/2010 5:42:00 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

” Just about any church upsets me now. “

I hear you.

There’s one church that I don’t think will upset you. It doesn’t have steeples and it doesn’t have stained glass.

It’s the Body Of Christ and it does not know denominations.


28 posted on 08/08/2010 5:44:17 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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