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Official: immigration law could hurt poultry biz
Access North Georgia ^ | 8/8/10 | Katie Highsmith

Posted on 08/08/2010 10:28:07 AM PDT by Principled

More than a week after a judge blocks parts of Arizona's immigration law, the executive director of a Georgia Latino group said if that law is passed in the peach state, the poultry industry would feel the fallout.

Jerry Gonzalez with the Georgia Association of Latino Elected Officials said anywhere between 40 and 50 percent of the workforce in the poultry industry is illegal.

"If we were to remove 40 to 50 percent of the workforce, would our economy suffer," Gonzalez asked during WDUN's The Local Hour Friday morning. "The answer to that is yes."

He said lawmakers need to question whether or not the North Georgia economy can withstand the kind of negative economic impact an Arizona-type law might have.

Gonzalez said the tax strain on the local level caused by illegal immigrants should be considered but so should the contributions of illegals to the livelihood of North Georgia's economy.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: aliens; cheaplabor; economy; employers; georgia; illegallabor; illegals; jobs
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You can't make this stuff up...

So their "leader" says it will do harm to the economy to enforce the law? Notwithstanding the peculiarity of that statement - he gives no evidence that it's true. Further, should it even matter?

Ya think w/ Ga's 10%+ unemployment that the industry would find workers?!

IDIOTS these illegals' leaders are... IDIOTS.

....just sayin'...

1 posted on 08/08/2010 10:28:09 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled

No chicken? We’re doomed! Doomed!


2 posted on 08/08/2010 10:30:05 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The United States of America! aka The Big Pinata. Bash it and the goodies fall out.)
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To: Principled

lulz.......some ridiculous BS these days.....


3 posted on 08/08/2010 10:30:24 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Principled

When it comes to the left leaners, up is down and down is up.


4 posted on 08/08/2010 10:31:01 AM PDT by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: Principled

OK. That’s it. I give up.

We must immediately give up all thoughts of protecting our sovereignity because to do so might inconvenience the poultry business.


5 posted on 08/08/2010 10:31:17 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Principled

They economy wouldn’t be hurt.

The plants would be forced to pay fair wages and benefits.


6 posted on 08/08/2010 10:31:55 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Principled

I think he means Mexico’s economy but wants us to think otherwise.


7 posted on 08/08/2010 10:32:17 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Principled
Ya think w/ Ga's 10%+ unemployment that the industry would find workers?!

At one time this industry paid Americans $18/hr with full benefits. Now they pay illegals $6/hr with no benefits. What happened? Did poultry really become that much cheaper?

8 posted on 08/08/2010 10:32:35 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Principled

Well TOUGH you idiots !


9 posted on 08/08/2010 10:32:54 AM PDT by traumer
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To: Principled

Well TOUGH you idiots !


10 posted on 08/08/2010 10:32:57 AM PDT by traumer
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To: Principled

So there’s nobody unemployed in Georgia?


11 posted on 08/08/2010 10:33:44 AM PDT by McGavin999 (I'm sorry, your race card is overdrawn and no further charges can be accepted)
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To: Principled

Uh, that’s not good enough.

You raise the wages until you get employees. Period.

Don’t sweat it. I’ll pay more for my stuff if I know I’m hiring Americans, sparky.


12 posted on 08/08/2010 10:34:27 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: Principled
Pay citizens enough and they'll do the work.The price of chicken (and,perhaps,lots of other stuff) might go up a bit but *that's* a price I'm willing to pay for a country free of wet....ooops,can't use that word....”undocumented workers”.
13 posted on 08/08/2010 10:36:57 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (''I don't regret setting bombs,I feel we didn't do enough.'' ->Bill Ayers,Hussein's mentor,9/11/01)
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To: Principled

It’s high time Americans grow their own damn food again and stop depending on foreign labor.


14 posted on 08/08/2010 10:38:05 AM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: Principled

I wonder what the Georgia Association of Caucasian Elected Officials thinks about this.


15 posted on 08/08/2010 10:38:26 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The United States of America! aka The Big Pinata. Bash it and the goodies fall out.)
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To: Principled

Oh poo. I guess some of those ill-gotten, illegal, profits made by using underpaid illegal labor will have to be spent on hiring legal workers.


16 posted on 08/08/2010 10:38:39 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Principled
BULL SHEETROCK!!! Any business that bases its model on illegal labor deserves to be put out of business. I guarantee that if the illegals packed up and left that within a few weeks the place would be fully staffed and the working conditions would be much better. In addition, within a few years the processing plants would be more automated and more efficient, while the poorly run plants would have folded. Innovation always happens in a tight labor market.

This is the exact justification the cotton planters in the south used before the civil war.

17 posted on 08/08/2010 10:38:41 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Vendome

In order to pay fair wages and benefits (assuming the illegals are paid for less or neither) will cause the price of chicken to rise, assuming the producers want to maintain current profit levels. If pricing is resistant to upward increases, it will force the producers to create more efficient production methods for chicken processing. Whichever way it goes, higher chicken prices can’t be anywhere near as bad as what it costs to educate, provide medical care, and foodstamps to illegals and their offspring, all subsidized by you and me (either legally or fraudulently), the taxpayer. Even if all the food processors, landscapers and cheap construction workers were to leave the work force, America would find a way to bridge the gap, whether putting legal Americans back to work, etc. Prices will adjust according to supply and demand, if Americans can’t readily afford one thing, they’ll adjust the way they always have. No big deal.


18 posted on 08/08/2010 10:39:49 AM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: Daisyjane69
You raise the wages until you get employees. Period.

Don’t sweat it. I’ll pay more for my stuff if I know I’m hiring Americans, sparky.

BINGO! And the fact is you won't pay more because a tighter labor market will lead to innovation and greater efficiency.

19 posted on 08/08/2010 10:41:32 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Daisyjane69
You raise the wages until you get employees. Period.

That's right. Let the market work.

20 posted on 08/08/2010 10:42:39 AM PDT by JohnG45
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To: Principled

WTH, my Wife has been wanting some yard birds for quite a while. Never know what you’re getting with the processed birds anyhow.


21 posted on 08/08/2010 10:43:48 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Principled
state, the poultry industry would feel the fallout. Jerry Gonzalez with the Georgia Association of Latino Elected Officials said anywhere between 40 and 50 percent of the workforce in the poultry industry is illegal.

That's 40-50% that should be immediately rounded up and deported!
22 posted on 08/08/2010 10:44:35 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! www.FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Principled

It’s not 2005, it’s 2010 and the unemployment rate is a %9+.


23 posted on 08/08/2010 10:45:27 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: YankeeReb
Any business that bases its model on illegal labor deserves to be put out of business.

Yep. It's little different from slave labor and we tried that business model before.

Want to solve the problem of illegal immigration? Start throwing the people who hire them into prison.

24 posted on 08/08/2010 10:46:05 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: Principled

“?”If we were to remove 40 to 50 percent of the workforce, would our economy suffer,” Gonzalez asked during WDUN’s The Local Hour Friday morning. “The answer to that is yes.”

Slave owners made that same argument in Georgia some time back.


25 posted on 08/08/2010 10:46:09 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: john drake
In order to pay fair wages and benefits (assuming the illegals are paid for less or neither) will cause the price of chicken to rise, assuming the producers want to maintain current profit levels.

Raising prices will cause consumers to buy less chicken. Don't forget that chicken, as well as any other consumer product, is priced at the highest level that will allow producers to make the most profit. Consumers' purchasing less chicken as a result of raising prices will encourage innovation and more automation in the chicken processing industry so that prices can come down.

26 posted on 08/08/2010 10:46:09 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Principled

So, there are a whole lot of poultry companies who are breaking the law too. Yeah, you can’t let a thing like obeying the law get in the way. While we’re at it let’s forget the regulations on food safety too. What the heck.


27 posted on 08/08/2010 10:47:12 AM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: pnh102

Meanwhile the fed govt is making it harder and harder to grow your own food or buy locally.


28 posted on 08/08/2010 10:47:41 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Principled

Its not like you can just get anyone off the streets to do that job. It takes years and years of training.


29 posted on 08/08/2010 10:49:38 AM PDT by pennyfarmer (Even a RINO will chew its foot off when caught in a trap.)
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To: Principled
Oh well.

I'm willing to pay a bit more for chicken, if it means foreign lawbreakers are sent home and Americans can get their jobs back at higher wages.

That's EXACTLY what happend in North Georgia sveral years back when raids sent many illegals home and the rest scattered like roaches.

30 posted on 08/08/2010 10:50:32 AM PDT by DocH (Official Right-Wing Extremist Veteran Seal Of Approval)
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To: Principled

Make it harder to get welfare benefits and people will be begging for those jobs.


31 posted on 08/08/2010 10:51:29 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: pnh102
Raising prices will cause consumers to buy less chicken.

Unemployed consumers also buy less chicken.

32 posted on 08/08/2010 10:53:45 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: YankeeReb

“BINGO! And the fact is you won’t pay more because a tighter labor market will lead to innovation and greater efficiency.”

Higher compensation may also force the firms to relocate. There are other factors involved in relocation so I am not sure if the higher compensation will be enough for relocation.

I admit that enforcement of immigration laws will cause some changes in economic activity. I think the changes will be overcome by the savings in overal societal costs. I also think that some industries could make a reasonable case for a guest worker program (I am not sure about the poultry industry). I might support expansions of guest worker programs with strict conditions about visas, family migration, and other conditions.


33 posted on 08/08/2010 10:54:40 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: john drake
The chicken packing plants already pay enough for unskilled labor. Slash welfare and the jobs will be filled and people will be standing in line for the jobs.

Illegals working in those packing plants for low wages is BS! They make plenty, far over min wage.

34 posted on 08/08/2010 10:56:00 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Principled
Illegal immigrants in the Poultry business contribute nothing, nothing whatsoever, to the economy. Their "earned" money goes out of the country, and their burden on free social services, hospitals, immigrant head start, free school lunches, citizen employment, crime, etc. without any tax commitment, without military commitment, without community commitment, is far beyond remuneration.

Come to north Georgia (Gainesville), and we'll show anyone very specifically.

By his words Jerry Gonzalez is a bigot; racistly defending the felony of illegal immigration.

One may be from anywhere on the planet, but one enters America, as any other nation, through the front door. It's called civilization and respect.

Johnny Suntrade

35 posted on 08/08/2010 11:01:10 AM PDT by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: Principled

Gee Chicken might go from 1.49/pd to 1.53/pd. Horrors!


36 posted on 08/08/2010 11:07:32 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: pnh102

>>Raising prices will cause consumers to buy less chicken.<<

Raising prices will cause my wife to seriously consider becoming a chicken farmer. She wears her bibbed overalls most everywhere as it is so I don’t reckon the neighbors will look down their noses at her.


37 posted on 08/08/2010 11:26:23 AM PDT by B4Ranch (America was founded by MARKSMEN, not Marxists.)
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To: YankeeReb
This is the exact justification the cotton planters in the south used before the civil war.

You were first! And interestingly your handle is YANKEEREB...

38 posted on 08/08/2010 11:26:45 AM PDT by Principled (Get the capital back! NRST!)
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To: YankeeReb
This is the exact justification the cotton planters in the south used before the civil war.

You were first! And interestingly your handle is YANKEEREB...

39 posted on 08/08/2010 11:27:05 AM PDT by Principled (Get the capital back! NRST!)
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To: glorgau

eh?


40 posted on 08/08/2010 11:28:54 AM PDT by Principled (Get the capital back! NRST!)
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To: YankeeReb

thank you. You are right. Very well said. ANd thanks for bringing in the justification used by the salve-owners.


41 posted on 08/08/2010 11:31:25 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Vendome
They economy wouldn’t be hurt. The plants would be forced to pay fair wages and benefits.

The natural progression is that higher labor costs stimulate the engineering of labor-saving machinery, which could then be exported. Low-cost labor (whether local illegals or offshore) inhibits this.

42 posted on 08/08/2010 11:36:05 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Principled

The guy is nuts.... but worst case small local businesses might have a chance against these huge food producers. I miss those businesses.


43 posted on 08/08/2010 11:38:45 AM PDT by mike_9958
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To: Vendome
The economy wouldn’t be hurt. The plants would be forced to pay fair wages and benefits.

The overall cost to the economy would probably be lower, since the costs borne to educate the illegals' children and provide free medical care wouldn't be shifted to society at large, and unemployed Americans currently being supported by the government would have more available jobs. Chicken might cost a few pennies more, but everything else would cost a bit less, and we wouldn't be building a balkanized culture of unassimilable foreigners whose allegiance lies elswehere.

44 posted on 08/08/2010 11:39:47 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: AlphaOneAlpha
This is Jerry Gonzalez ~ and the term "left beaner" might well be more appropriate.

I'm sure if we got to using it for their Latino spokespersons the Leftwingtards would run screaming down the hill their hair on fire!~

45 posted on 08/08/2010 11:57:51 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


46 posted on 08/08/2010 11:58:06 AM PDT by HiJinx (I can see November from my front porch - and Mexico from the back.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
I used to be a "poultry industry worker" at Grant's Chicken in Indianapolis Indiana. Our job was to cut up, cook, bread and freeze chicken parts for use at the New York World's Fair.

All the workers were Americans.

As a new employee (head for college) I got $1.75 per hour minimum wage (at the time),

Some of our cutters were making $15.00 per hour, which was nearly as much as the foundry guys at Allison who did engine blocks.

Today even the supervisors in such an operation would work entirely in a Spanish speaking environment ~ and NO ONE ON THE LINE would also be trained in detecting any one of over 300 different diseases poultry can acquire.

Your chicken isn't safe today folks ~

47 posted on 08/08/2010 12:02:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: driftdiver

Exactly right.

My neighbor sells eggs and he said an Ag Dep’t guy came around and wanted to know if his chickens were registered.

He says he told the guy to get off his property.
So he did. For how long?

this has GOT to stop.


48 posted on 08/08/2010 12:14:49 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: squarebarb

Chances are the guy will be back with the sheriff.


49 posted on 08/08/2010 12:33:48 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Principled
I'd gladly pay more for my Chicken McNuggets if it meant our immigration laws were being enforced.

And it probably wouldn't even raise the price. Might even lower it.

50 posted on 08/08/2010 1:07:24 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Democracy aims at equality in liberty. Socialism desires equality in constraint and in servitude.)
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