Posted on 08/09/2010 1:28:44 PM PDT by Vendome
"No one wants to admit that they got spanked in an election contest. It's always nicer to think the opponent somehow cheated the system. So yes -- Obama wasn't born here, Bush stole the election, Clinton won only because Ross Perot screwed up Bush's [the elder's] chances, Bush the elder won only because he demagogued Willie Horton. ... I could go back further."
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I followed the liberal Democrats trying to contest Bush 2004 (after 2000) looking pathetic and so thought the claim that Obama didn't win 2008 or isnt really president wouldnt fly (MSNBC LOVES the issue though. Matthews loves citing related polls.) .
I always predicted the economy would be what nailed Democrats more than anything else. Bill Clinton knew the economy was key, Not exactly sure what Obama’s political strategy is relative to economy besides to get white voters to hate him and trying to start race wars to stir up base voters. Talk about polarizing, and he was sold by the MSM as the racial healer.
The issue of Natural Born Citizen was brought against John McCain long before Barrack was nominated to the DNC as a Presidential Candidate.
In fact, in order to place McCain on the ballot, the United States Senate went so far as to craft the Senate Resolution 511 proclaiming John McCain a Natural Born Citizen.
There is a cloud over Barrack's birth, to be sure. But the fact that still remains is his birth was of a divided nationality British and American. One is wholly one thing or another but not completely two things at the same time.
Senate Resolution 511
Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.
Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen’ of the United States;
Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;
Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President;
Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen’ clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress’s own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen’;
Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;
Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and
Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.
Now, let us take this simple and explore its hidden meaning.
Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen’ of the United States;
They apparently have read the Constitution and have zeroed in on one clause that no law or legislative body has the right to amend.
Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;
The term ‘natural born citizen’ is not defined, however other rulings by the Supreme Court, Congress, and other writings from such as John Bingham, do define what a ‘natural born citizen’ is. For sake of space I will only quote the following.
The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.
-Chief Justice Waite in Minor v. Happersett (1875)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0088_0162_Z…
Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President;
So the Senate decided to make assumptions and attempt to pass a ‘Gentleman’s Agreement’ on the same. We have already seen from the prior statement that they claimed to have no knowledge of the meaning, and its definition.
Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen’ clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress’s own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen’;
So the Senate decided to make assumptions and attempt to pass a ‘Gentleman’s Agreement’ on the same. We have already seen from the prior statement that they have no knowledge of the meaning, and its definition.
Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;
It sounds nice, but means nothing? Some fluff but again means nothing.
Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and
Whom are they referring to, that was born ‘outside’ the United States and who deemed them eligible?
Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.
So the Senate gave by law, what nature failed to do. Would that not be a ‘naturalized’ citizenship?
So the Senate deemed that two (2) American or US Citizen parents was an essential to the definition of a ‘natural born citizen’ that was not defined in the Constitution. So how did they deem that the issue was being born outside the jurisdiction of the United States if they had no definition or requirements of what ‘constituted’ a ‘natural born citizen?’ It seems like they know the definition, but are hoping the American public doesn’t. There is but one defintion that a ‘natural born citizen’ has to have citizen parents and being born in country and that is Vattel’s Law of Nations.
As I refered to SR 511. SR511 is a non-binding, non-lawful understanding, that can not be held as a LAW. Being such, a non-binding resolution is a written motion adopted by a deliberative body that cannot progress into a law. The substance of the resolution can be anything that can normally be proposed as a motion.This type of resolution is often used to express the body’s approval or disapproval of something which they cannot otherwise vote on, due to the matter being handled by another jurisdiction, or being protected by a constitution.
Again, I will note: being protected by a constitution.
“Simple resolutions do not require the approval of the other house nor the signature of the President, and they do not have the force of law.”
The reason I make this point is that for the chance that John Mccain would have actually won the 2008 Presidential election. The issue of his eligibility not only would have been brought up, but would have stated congressional hearings, the likes of Watergate all over again. The Congress would have in no time instituted articles of impeachment and the motion would have been approved. Then the Senate would have their chance to remove John McCain, however since they already have voted with their ‘Gentlemen’s Agreement’, regardless how the vote went. A non-binding, non-lawful resolution that trumps the United States Constitution could be waved in front of the American public, and John McCain, could go back in the corner, stick his thumb in his pie, and exclaim “Oh, what a good boy am I.”
Senate Resolution 511, was an attempt to circumvent the United States Constitution, and amend the ‘Natural Born Citizen’ Clause of which there has NEVER been an amendment or change too.
More then just a non-binding resolution, SR511 defined John McCain’s eligibility based on being born of US Parents [NOTE the plural] but outside the country. Therefore the only alternative based on THEIR wording is ‘born in country’. They did not change the requirement of two (2) US parents.
Where is there a definition as to a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ based on parents [again plural] and born in country? Vattel’s Law of Nations.
Why if John McCain was held to these requirements, was Barack Obama not held of being born of US Parents [plural] and in the United States.
Barack Obama has admitted that not only was his father a foreign national, but that he himself was a British Subject at birth. A British Subject is a foreign national and how can a foreign national be a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ as required by the United States Constitution?
Alex Jones called for all his world wide audience to make Barry Soetoro the number 1 search term today.
Well here is a Birth Certificate from a guy no one ever heard of.
I have no idea what this moron’s strategy is, except it looks like he enjoys a one legged ass kicking contest.
Sorry, John. Your comparison doesn’t hold water. This guy is something entirely else. The only thing on him like those others you mentioned are the two legs, two arms and hands, two eyes, a nose and a mouth. No heart at all.
Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of have and know to be a “Birth Certificate”.
The so called COLB has many flaws with it:
The best part and even more confusing is why he didn't release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007.
Those were most certainly BC’s and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something. That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process.
“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”
From “Dreams From My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph)
So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a "Certification of Live Birth" that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate?
He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mother’s belongings. Why wouldn’t he just slap that one up, for all the world to see?
It seemed important that he found a document that is called a “Birth Certificate” and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.
Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC. That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that “fishy” event.
C’mon John. Sign up just for today and let’s debate this.
Maybe we can “lesson” the problems with Barry O’s legitimacy and figure out how to get Joe into office.
Personally, I think he would be a hoot. Hilarious actually and if there is anything America needs right now is something to feel good about and Joe will bring us smiles and a little laughter.
And Joe just loves the waive the flag.
Makes my heart warm just thinking about it.
We just don't like the guy.
Okay, so maybe you won't give us Joe, What about Hillary?
The governor doesn't have the authority or the training to certify a birth certificate. She just said that a friend said that he thinks his records look authentic. I'm not sure she had the legal authority to allow a friend of hers to view those records.
Your last sentence sums it up but that gets lost on this forum so many times.
Precisely what are we looking at in the picture you posted?
It claims to be a copy of President Reagan’s “Certification of Vital Records”.
First, the date of issue is June 20th, 1991.
Second, the date of filing is 8-14-1942, which is the same date that the doctor signed the form attesting to having witnessed Ronald Reagan’s birth.
President Reagan’s certificate wasn’t filed for more than 33 years? Where was it in those three decades? Why wasn’t it signed before 1942?
How does this help your case in any way?
I don’t know what to say....just laugh to myself for the thousandth time...
He’s been groomed and appointed by the New World Order because he’s the closest thing they could find to a person (I use the term loosely) with no past.
That way he wouldn’t be attacked, as they are still attacking Bush a year and a half later, and he had the perfect defense of sort of black skin. Can’t attack that.
I’ve often thought that the birthers are just our version of those idiots who said Bush stole the election.
Great find. Notice that it says on the card next tot he display, ‘Courtesy of the State of Illinois.’ Presumably Obama would post a copy of his original, long-form, signed certificate of live birth in his presidential library. Where’s the courtesy of the state of Hawaii when they can produce it now?? Will Obama post a jpg in his library instead of a real certificate??
Still worth a read to see how ‘journalists’ are dealing with their tarnished icon.
Really Kleon?
John McCain was sued twice with a focus on his eligibility and the Senate passed resolution 511 declaring him to be a Natural Born Citizen, of two parents, etc.
None of us feel like the election was stolen vis a vis 2000 Al Gore.
If John McCain and the rest of the candidates were all the RNC or whatever powers that be were going to offer us, many of us felt losing to Edwards, Hillary or even Obama was better for the country.
Why? We wanted to them to go all out crazy with their legislation and programs.
And the country needed to be taught a lesson.
The question is a Constitutional one, in that Barry was born with a divided nationality. So for starters, he cannot possibly considered, by anyone with a modicum of reasoning, to be a Natural Born Citizen.
The issue of the Long Form Birth Certificate was raised long before the messiahs ascendancy, which is why candidate Barry posted that Fake COLB, with Fact Check, an organization he strong ties to years before his run for Present.
If Hillary, Biden or even Nancy were to somehow become President, due Obama’s defect being proved or discovered, not one of us would have another word to say about it.
We aren’t arguing that we lost and are looking for some crazy azz way to win. That couldn’t happen if we wanted.
The guy is not NBC and that is the only gripe.
BTW, are you always so friendly and calling people idiots?
One assumes you are an adult would know better.
Zactly.
He said as much in his book Audacity of Hope
“I am new enough on the national political scene that I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views.”
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