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WOULD YOU BUY A CHEVY "VOLT"? FROM OBAMA? FROM GOVERNMENT MOTORS? UNKNOWN SPECS, INSURANCE, REPAIRS!
The American Thinker ^ | 8/8/10 | Isaac Martin

Posted on 08/09/2010 11:03:07 PM PDT by Impala64ssa

Have you driven a Chevy Volt

The headline is a play an early ‘80s Ford car ad campaign. Have you driven a Ford. . .lately? was the tag line and it's instructive when considering Chevrolet's new Volt, the car that'll make GM a "leader" in green vehicle technology and create green blue collar jobs. The answer to Have you driven a Chevy Volt . . .lately? is most likely to be no.

I really love cars, and it pains me to criticize a vehicle, since my premise is all cars are good, some are better than others. Plus I know people at GM who love cars and worked diligently on this car, even if they thought it an answer to a question no one asked. While the Volt looks like smart product planning and business management to the Obama regime - people who don't know or care about cars - unfortunately, it fails on several levels.

Start with a $41,000 list price and with the $7500 Federal tax credit it drops to $33,500. I would even speculate that California, with a $20 billion deficit, could even be willing to spend money it doesn't have by kicking in a state hybrid vehicle credit to shave the price slightly. Regardless, tax credits mean more of what we don't need: government spending.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; Technical
KEYWORDS: automotive
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Even with the 0bama credits, 31k+ for a glorified golf cart. BTW the batteries can only be recharged so many times. When it's time to replace them how are they disposed of or recycled,the cost of replacement and how well would they withstand a serious collision?
1 posted on 08/09/2010 11:03:13 PM PDT by Impala64ssa
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To: Impala64ssa
I'd buy an opportunity to hit Zero with a pie. But Government Motors will not disgrace my driveway again.
2 posted on 08/09/2010 11:08:20 PM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: Impala64ssa

If you were looking at such cars, and wanted a Chevy, I cannot imagine why you’d buy a Volt over a Cruze.

Were it not a Chevy, the Cruze seems to be quite a car. It’s nearly half the price of a Volt, and if you bought a Volt, you’d never get the difference back.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/31/2011-chevrolet-cruze-first-drive-review-road-test/

Except to be trendy and hip and faux “green”...


3 posted on 08/09/2010 11:09:04 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Impala64ssa

This “car” is the perfect representation of the Obama presidency. It sums it up perfectly.


4 posted on 08/09/2010 11:11:57 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: Impala64ssa

My understanding is that when the battery is done, the car is done, and they last about 100,000 miles.

I have also understood that the batteries are not recycled. They contain rare and toxic elements that must be disposed of in other ways such as burying them.


5 posted on 08/09/2010 11:12:04 PM PDT by chris37
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To: ltc8k6

The Cruze looks like an Opel and they just rebadged it. The bigger Saturn was an Opel too as was that one Caddy.

You will see every city and town in America buying Volts for city use with govt $$. I would bet since 2009 - Ford has not sold many cop cars. They are all GM and Chrysler now.


6 posted on 08/09/2010 11:17:22 PM PDT by Frantzie (Television controls the American people/sheep)
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To: chris37

What! Burying them? WTF!

I bet China will recycle em in some toxic way.


7 posted on 08/09/2010 11:18:44 PM PDT by Frantzie (Television controls the American people/sheep)
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To: Frantzie

The new Buick Regal is an Opal too.


8 posted on 08/09/2010 11:19:58 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA
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To: Frantzie

Ford has a new police package Taurus ready to go.

Chevy also has a new police Caprice ready to go, based on the G8 rear drive platform.


9 posted on 08/09/2010 11:22:54 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Impala64ssa
While we're diddling around with Obama Motors, the UAW and the Chevy Volt nonsense, India is doing well:

July Car Sales Hit Record

They're worried about capacity constraints and bottlenecks.

10 posted on 08/09/2010 11:24:08 PM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: Frantzie

The Cruze has been for sale under other names overseas for a couple of years. It’s a Daewoo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Cruze#Second_generation_.28J300.3B_2008.E2.80.93present.29


11 posted on 08/09/2010 11:24:56 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Lazlo in PA

Is it? Yup - here it is. Nice.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/reviews/drives/2011-buick-regal-csx-test-drive

Really sucks because GM was making progress and some of the Opel stuff is quite good.

Will they import them from Germany or like the UAW thug goons slap em together? If UAW subhumans assembled them - they will be sh*t with coke bottles in the doors.


12 posted on 08/09/2010 11:25:18 PM PDT by Frantzie (Television controls the American people/sheep)
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To: ltc8k6

The Taurus is nice. The G8 is also nice but no GM for me. The GTO was made in Australia by Holden. Did they do the same thing with the G8 or did the subhuman UAW goons assemble them?


13 posted on 08/09/2010 11:26:58 PM PDT by Frantzie (Television controls the American people/sheep)
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To: Impala64ssa

In answer to the question, no.


14 posted on 08/09/2010 11:28:14 PM PDT by pallis
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To: ltc8k6

Oh. I read the wiki and it said Opel did most of the engineering on it.


15 posted on 08/09/2010 11:29:53 PM PDT by Frantzie (Television controls the American people/sheep)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
When you do a Google image search of [Obama volt] you get dozens of this:

... but not a single one ( at least I didn't ) of him actually sitting in it. "The press."

16 posted on 08/09/2010 11:30:04 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Impala64ssa
Even with the 0bama credits, 31k+ for a glorified golf cart. BTW the batteries can only be recharged so many times. When it's time to replace them how are they disposed of or recycled,the cost of replacement and how well would they withstand a serious collision?

The batteries have a 8 year 100,000 mile warranty. The Batteries will be recycled by GM. The Volt passes all Dept of Transportation Tests with flying colors. And the Volt is no glorified Golf Cart. It's one of the most sophisticated vehicles ever for personal transportation. You need to get educated: Please go to: GM-Volt to learn about the Volt so you know what you are talking about.
17 posted on 08/09/2010 11:30:55 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Frantzie

Yep. These batteries are not “environmentally friendly” at all. Also, from what I have read, the cost of replacing these batteries exceeds the value of the car at the time the battery would need to be replaced (@ approximatley 100,000 miles), so they are not replaced.


18 posted on 08/09/2010 11:33:16 PM PDT by chris37
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
This “car” is the perfect representation of the Obama presidency. It sums it up perfectly.

The Volt was put into development in earnest in 2006 before Obama was president. If McCain was elected the Volt would still be introduced in fall 2010 as was planned years ago. Obama may be trying to jump on the band wagon but the vehicle had nothing to do with him.
19 posted on 08/09/2010 11:35:48 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Impala64ssa

Screw safety. This car is so enviromentaly correct if you buy the farm in this jewel it will be an acceptable and noble sacrifice.


20 posted on 08/09/2010 11:37:37 PM PDT by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: truthguy

Gee, you must’ve gotten a hot tip on GM stock. How much does it cost to replace the batteries when the time comes? A properly overhauled engine would cost $4-6k with labor, and could last well over 300k if properly maintained.


21 posted on 08/09/2010 11:40:42 PM PDT by Impala64ssa
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To: truthguy
Obama may be trying to jump on the band wagon but the vehicle had nothing to do with him.

He's in the party which thinks it, not the consumer, not manufacturers knows best. Democrats created the Volt. He's one of them.

22 posted on 08/09/2010 11:40:46 PM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: ltc8k6

Found the “Caprice”. I own a couple and they are from a time when the name meant something. This thing is some ugly Eurotrash. I guess when the ship is sinking there is no time to design in-house. Screw GM.


23 posted on 08/09/2010 11:42:01 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA
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To: ltc8k6

For 41k I rather find an old muscle car like a 69 goat. We need more CO2 to prevent global cooling.


24 posted on 08/09/2010 11:42:13 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Here’s the Caprice.
http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z17539/chevrolet-caprice-police-car.aspx


25 posted on 08/09/2010 11:42:51 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA
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To: Impala64ssa

It does’nt even have bag racks.


26 posted on 08/09/2010 11:43:00 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: screaminsunshine

My 64 Chevy got a 327 with dual exhausts so I can destroy the polar ice caps twice as fast ;)


27 posted on 08/09/2010 11:45:10 PM PDT by Impala64ssa
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To: truthguy

Are they available without the battery?


28 posted on 08/09/2010 11:45:37 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: Frantzie; All

I want to trade in my 4 cylinder, ‘96 Dodge Caravan for a new Sto and Go Caravan with 4 cylinders. Unfortunately, they don’t make one. I average 25 + miles per gallon with mostly highway driving.


29 posted on 08/09/2010 11:48:19 PM PDT by gleeaikin (question authority)
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To: Impala64ssa

Maybe it should be named Revolt. If you really want to screw something up, get the government involved. I would not own a volt if they were giving them away.


30 posted on 08/09/2010 11:49:11 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Frantzie

The new Caprice and the old G8 were both Holdens from OZ.

Holden Statesman and Holden Commodore


31 posted on 08/09/2010 11:50:49 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Impala64ssa

Cool. My girl has a 64 Jetstar 88 that we cruise in. I wanna find a Goat. I had a 69 but got T-Boned in it.


32 posted on 08/09/2010 11:54:02 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (m)
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To: ltc8k6

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Caprice#Sixth_generation_.282006.E2.80.93present.29


33 posted on 08/09/2010 11:54:21 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: MarineBrat

After having replaced window regulators in each (4) door of my 2000 LeSabre, and having at least one door control module die, and numerous sensors and other electrical items (controls, switches, etc.), I would not trust GM to engineer any electrical system. I agree - no more GM’s for me.


34 posted on 08/09/2010 11:57:15 PM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: ltc8k6

Looks like a mid-nineties Saturn.


35 posted on 08/09/2010 11:59:51 PM PDT by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: truthguy

Sorry, but GM has proven to me, a once customer, that they do not provide reliable electronic parts. They rapidly fall apart, are ill designed, are very expensive to replace, and do not work for long.


36 posted on 08/10/2010 12:03:02 AM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: Brugmansian
Democrats created the Volt. He's one of them.

Do you know of the Engineers at GM who were instrumental in creating the Chevy Volt? If you do (and I doubt you do) then tell me how you know their political affiliation?

I know most of the movers and shakers on the Volt program by reading about them. Bob Lutz doesn't sound much like a Democrat to me with his outspoken opinions on energy and economic policy. But I don't know his political affiliation. I know he's on record as saying man made global warming is a crock of *hit.

How can you say Democrats created the Volt? It sure as heck started during the Bush presidency and Bush is on record as being in favor of the technology.
37 posted on 08/10/2010 12:09:34 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: GregoryFul
After having replaced window regulators in each (4) door of my 2000 LeSabre, and having at least one door control module die, and numerous sensors and other electrical items (controls, switches, etc.), I would not trust GM to engineer any electrical system.

I had a lot of the same problems with a BMW 325 that I had. My sister had all kinds of electrical problems with her Toyota. So much for all those claims about Toyota Quality.

But Quality has to be measured over thousands of vehicles. Anecdotal stories only go so far.
38 posted on 08/10/2010 12:16:51 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Impala64ssa

There’ll probably be some wealthy lib and/or academic types who buy one to drive it in front of their friends or co-workers, then they’ll have an SUV at home for their REAL car, for when nobody’s watching.


39 posted on 08/10/2010 12:19:01 AM PDT by GnuHere
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To: Impala64ssa

“Have you driven a Chevy Dolt...lately?”


40 posted on 08/10/2010 12:19:02 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: truthguy

Oh, it passes all of the US Government DOT tests? That’s reassuring and a guarantee that I will not buy one.


41 posted on 08/10/2010 12:35:50 AM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: ltc8k6

That’s part of it, but also there are a bunch of people who would prefer not to use gasoline.

The Middle East, Peak Oil, unpredictable wide price swings, things like that.

Not Global Warming BS.


42 posted on 08/10/2010 12:46:11 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthguy

Agree. They have been discussing the Volt for years. I thought it was pretty interesting back when Bush was President. Now I guess because Obama is President we have to hate electric cars.

Some people might want to buy one if their electricity costs are low and they live in a city. If you can charge the battery when the electricity prices are lower, that’s an advantage.

Arguments about tax credits are valid but have little to do with the technology.


43 posted on 08/10/2010 12:51:06 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Impala64ssa

No way will I buy ANY vehicle from Government Motors.


44 posted on 08/10/2010 12:59:50 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Impala64ssa
Communist cars (Top Gear) HQ Part 1
45 posted on 08/10/2010 1:05:27 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: chris37
The batteries are warrantied for 100,000 miles — GM clearly expects them to last somewhat longer. These batteries are much more advanced than the repurposed laptop batteries used in the Tesla.

They will be recycled. Laptop and cellphone batteries can be recycled — provided you turn them in. The Volt batteries are much larger and more expensive — people will be motivated financially to recycle them.

There are plenty of valid criticisms about the Volt — starting with the fact that they're being subsidized by tax dollars. Using easily falsified arguments doesn't help the case against the Volt.

46 posted on 08/10/2010 1:06:09 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: truthfreedom

They should buy an electric car like the cheaper Leaf then.


47 posted on 08/10/2010 1:10:44 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: screaminsunshine
Photobucket

Would a 66 GTO with a tri-power kit and posi traction do?

48 posted on 08/10/2010 1:18:54 AM PDT by skimask
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To: truthguy
"This “car” is the perfect representation of the Obama presidency. It sums it up perfectly."

"The Volt was put into development in earnest in 2006 before Obama was president."

The Socialists took over the Congress in 2006 (Jan '07). Same-O, Same-O

It was another EPA (Socialist) boondoggle mandate that helped them go bankrupt.

yitbos

49 posted on 08/10/2010 1:19:31 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: ltc8k6
Actually I plan to buy a Cruze when they are available. I think eventually the electrics will rock but its quite awhile off..
50 posted on 08/10/2010 1:27:08 AM PDT by montanajoe
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