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Wyoming suspends tax at gun shows! (State Agents in fear of their safety...)
Star-Tribune ^ | 07/04/2010 | Star-Tribune

Posted on 08/09/2010 11:39:45 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

CHEYENNE -- The Wyoming Department of Revenue has suspended sales tax collections from gun shows because of increasing animosity toward the state's field tax agents. Dan Noble, director of the department's excise tax division, said Friday that an incident at a gun show triggered the decision. He added, however, that resistance from gun show sponsors and participants has been a recurring problem statewide. "I have 10 field reps throughout the state, and every one of them has experienced some animosity," he said. "Folks are nervous anyway because there are guns there. I don't want to put my people at risk."

Guns shows, like craft shows, are required to set up temporary sales tax licenses but do not have to pay the $60 fee for a permanent sales tax license. The department's field tax representatives attend the shows and ask the sponsors to distribute tax forms to the sellers who, in turn, are required to collect and remit sales tax to the Department of Revenue.

Noble said the tax agents have never had a problem with compliance from the craft shows, for example. "We tend to have more trouble at gun shows than any place," Noble said Friday in an interview. "This last incident was something I felt kind of crossed the line and, because of it I have suspended our activity in trying to collect this until we can get a better way of approaching it." He said the "climate" has changed and some of the gun show people are "fairly extreme."

Noble said he didn't want to identify the show where the incident took place because the problem has been statewide. Anthony Bouchard, executive director of the Wyoming Gun Owners' Association, said the only confrontation he knew of was at a gun show in Pine Bluffs. The gun show participant involved was an "in your face" type, he said, adding that he did not believe there was any threat made. "I think they're trying to create a political climate, to make it sound like a bigger thing than it is," he said.

The position of his group, Bouchard said, is that the state shouldn't charge sales tax on gun and ammunition sales because of the Second Amendment right to bear arms. "Everybody's on edge," said John Wise, director of the Pine Bluffs Shooting Association and of the gun show.

Identifying himself as a "tea partier and damned proud of it," Wise said Friday that people are angry at the federal government over health care reform and other actions. Wise said he was sitting at the front desk during the April gun show at Pine Bluffs when a participant got into a confrontation with a state sales tax representative. The tax agent called for backup from the Pine Bluffs Police Department.

Wise said the police officer intervened, the tax agent left and no charges were filed. He said he thought both men had "short fuses." Wise said that individual gun owners who pay $30 to rent a table at a gun show so they can sell a couple of guns should not have to collect sales tax for the state. Bouchard said he will personally work on legislation to exempt gun show sales from the state's sales tax.

Noble said he plans to contact local representatives of the National Rifle Association to see if they have any recommendation to avoid these problems. Since other states are having the same problem, Noble said he will contact them as well. "The last thing in the world I want to do is to involve law enforcement in something like this," he said. "If that's what it takes, I guess we do it. I would rather wait and see if we have opportunity to work with people so it's not threatening to my employees."

Noble informed members of the Legislature's Joint Interim Revenue Committee Thursday of his decision because at some point legislation may be necessary, he said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: banglist

1 posted on 08/09/2010 11:39:51 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

FYI: this story is from a month ago...


2 posted on 08/09/2010 11:40:14 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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“... but when the government fears its people there is liberty.”


3 posted on 08/09/2010 11:49:27 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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One way to settle the problem is to keep the State Tax Suckers away/ Gun shows don’t have any trouble until some idiot shows up and wants to change the way they have always operated.


4 posted on 08/10/2010 12:02:51 AM PDT by BooBoo1000 ("He will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live only for themselves' Romans 2:8)
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This is in the best American tradition! Our tea-partying Bostonian ancestors would be proud.


5 posted on 08/10/2010 12:04:09 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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Wow! This is great! Yippeee for the Wyoming Country Class gun show people!

The government...any government...absolutely needs to fear the people!


6 posted on 08/10/2010 12:08:21 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Remember November...I can see it from my house!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
The department's field tax representatives attend the shows and ask the sponsors to distribute tax forms to the sellers who, in turn, are required to collect and remit sales tax to the Department of Revenue.

Since the one and only purpose of the Department of Revenue agents is harrassment, I have no problem with them being harrassed back.
7 posted on 08/10/2010 12:10:51 AM PDT by microgood
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re: Folks are nervous anyway because there are guns there

We all know guns have a supernatural power over otherwise sane, stable individuals. The presence of a gun means an increased chance of someone who has been a normal, happy individual throughout life will suddenly snap, grab the gun and begin killing everyone in sight. It's continues to be a problem and a true mystery. </sarcasm>

Geesh!

8 posted on 08/10/2010 12:42:54 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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Probably the last place a gov agent would get shot is at a gun show. But it’s good that you’re afraid and good that the people are giving you some attitude.


9 posted on 08/10/2010 1:16:01 AM PDT by TigersEye (Greenhouse Theory is false. Totally debunked. "GH gases" is a non-sequitur.)
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We have another show here at the end of the month,,,

IIRC the tax is just under 8%,,,

I have to limit myself to what I can carry in a daypack,,,

A box of this or that,,,

This trip will just be for what I “want”,,,

Always fun...

10 posted on 08/10/2010 1:46:51 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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It sounds to me that Dan Noble, director of the department’s excise tax division, made up this whole story to influence the public. I call BS.


11 posted on 08/10/2010 2:28:01 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: DTogo

This may not be one hundred percent accurate... but it’s close enough to get the job done...

A government that fears arms in the hands of it’s citizens... should also fear ROPE! Nathan Bedford Forrest... around 1845

Not bad for an illiterate backwoodsman who’s family was but a few years out of the kilt.


12 posted on 08/10/2010 2:43:40 AM PDT by Bubba (Build roads... Fight wars and stay out of MY live. FRREEEEEEDOM!)
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I don't like taxes any more than anyone else but I prefer sales taxes to most other taxes. Irrespective of the item sold here, people do owe sales tax on the transaction.

I don't see what there is to celebrate here.

13 posted on 08/10/2010 2:58:40 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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I’m hoping that all the leaches that are govt. employees feel a bit of animosity from each and every citizen they deal with.


14 posted on 08/10/2010 3:12:41 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Ya unAmerican p.o.s.)
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To: muir_redwoods
I don't see what there is to celebrate here.

The message here is this: People are fed up with taxes. Hidden taxes are added daily. There is no such thing as a bad tax to a Democrat (though they themselves will try to evade it).

15 posted on 08/10/2010 3:44:20 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Even the earth is bipolar.)
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Wise said that individual gun owners who pay $30 to rent a table at a gun show so they can sell a couple of guns should not have to collect sales tax for the state. Bouchard said he will personally work on legislation to exempt gun show sales from the state's sales tax.

Okay, I am confused. Was the original incident one where an individual gun owner was selling a couple of his own guns, as the above suggests?

If so, that's not a retail transaction --- it's a private sale --- and I don't see why a retail sales tax could be collected on the private sale to begin with.

My own guess is that the author has mixed up two different subjects: people doing private transactions, which shouldn't be subject to retail sales tax, and the retailers who are selling at a gun show and who do have to comply with retail sales tax laws.

16 posted on 08/10/2010 3:57:40 AM PDT by snowsislander (In this election year, please ask your candidates if they support repeal of the 1968 GCA.)
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This kinda reminds me of the old fashioned John Wayne type of western, where the city slicker in a silly suit and a bowler hat walks into a bar/saloon full of cowboys and is scared out of his wits by real men ;-)

This tax collector brought his phobias into the room and left with them realised.

BTW, the local policeman thought that both men had short fuses, so this may have not been totally made up, but the tax dude’s response is hyperbolic.


17 posted on 08/10/2010 3:59:52 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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I'm fed up with taxes too but I think limiting income tax and the hated healthcare tax is more reasonable than the sa;es tax. the beauty of the sales tax is it is to spome extent, voluntary. One does not have to spend money and incur the tax in many cases.

Fuel and tire taxes that support the highway system make sense to me. Income tax and taxes on investment income and interest do not.

18 posted on 08/10/2010 4:02:19 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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What I resent most about people like this inventive whiner is the FACT that they are all guilty of character assassination of good and honorable people. “Ohhhh...there’s evil guns there with conservative people...I MUST make them out to look bad and invent a problem to blame them with!”

Liar.


19 posted on 08/10/2010 4:15:29 AM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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“Folks are nervous anyway because there are guns there.”
Really! Guns at a gun show, who would have thought! I need a couple guns but I’d be a little nervous going to a gun show to buy one since there are guns there.


20 posted on 08/10/2010 4:26:06 AM PDT by bigiron
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There are probably a lot of government types that should be afraid just to be in Wyoming.

Many probably aren’t smart enough to realize it however.


21 posted on 08/10/2010 4:31:01 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate: Republicans freed the slaves Month.)
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To: muir_redwoods
but I prefer sales taxes to most other taxes.

Do you get to chose which taxes you pay? Better to avoid some than avoid none

22 posted on 08/10/2010 4:44:49 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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The outcome would be wildly different in a big lib state. Instead of backing off and letting the situation cool down they’d escalate by deploying SWAT etc. Libs have no problem with guns as long as its only them who have them. They also have no problem using deadly force against the people of this nation to force them to obey unlawful edicts. Seems they more closely resemble Mao than any of the founding fathers.


23 posted on 08/10/2010 5:53:34 AM PDT by 556x45
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This story highlights an BS practice of state tax agencies. If the person selling the gun at a gun show is a licensed dealer then they already have a tax ID and collect sales tax. If they are a non-dealer who is just selling their own personal items then they are not required to collect sales tax any more than they would if they held a yardsale. Attempts to force them to do so are nothing but pure harassment.

I applaud these dealers for standing up to the tax man. Hopefully this trend will continue.


24 posted on 08/10/2010 7:46:48 AM PDT by Dayman
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To: DTogo

“... but when the government fears its people there is liberty.”

This needs to be said again, and again, and again until The People start acting like Citizens and Freemen instead of Subjects and Slaves.
25 posted on 08/10/2010 8:14:45 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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Wise said the police officer intervened, the tax agent left and no charges were filed. He said he thought both men had "short fuses." Wise said that individual gun owners who pay $30 to rent a table at a gun show so they can sell a couple of guns should not have to collect sales tax for the state. Bouchard said he will personally work on legislation to exempt gun show sales from the state's sales tax.

As far as I know, those sales aren't taxable. The goods are used, and have already been sold once in a transaction subject to sales tax. Dealers selling new guns would have to charge sales tax of course, but they're retailers and already set up to do so.

26 posted on 08/10/2010 8:59:38 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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I'm fed up with taxes too but I think limiting income tax and the hated healthcare tax is more reasonable than the saes tax.

AND it's good because it's less "progressive". (Anything a libtard hates has to be a good thing, right? They even go so far as to call them "regressive") The higher percentage of people who bear the burden, and the more noticeably, the better.

A system where tax collection is painless and inflicted on only a subset of the population, yet everyone else still gets to vote, is a system ripe for vote whoring with YOUR tax dollars.

27 posted on 08/10/2010 9:06:37 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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>“Folks (who wear badges and make people cower) are nervous anyway because there are guns there.”<

Gee, ain’t that a shame!


28 posted on 08/10/2010 9:12:54 AM PDT by B4Ranch (America was founded by MARKSMEN, not Marxists.)
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Slow motion "Whiskey Rebellion"?

Works for me...

Anything more I might say would probably get my post pulled no matter how innocuous I try and phrase it.

29 posted on 08/10/2010 9:16:25 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Alarm and Muster)
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Any public official that is afraid to be surrounded by armed constituents is a public official that the citizens need to be armed against.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

30 posted on 08/10/2010 9:18:20 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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I am sure that the IRS field agents are well-known to the gun show promoters and many of the sellers. The minute an unwelcome “guest” walks through the door, an public announcement should be made to identify the gent. As he walks down the aisle, every transaction should cease as people turn around and and silently stare at him. No threats, no intimidation, just cold stares.


31 posted on 08/10/2010 11:00:01 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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