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Posted on 08/10/2010 3:16:49 PM PDT by SmokingJoe
Microsoft (NSDQ:MSFT)’s Internet Explorer has staged a comeback in the browser war, reversing a trend of declining market share by posting two consecutive months of usage share gains against chief rivals Firefox and Chrome. For several months, Microsoft had been losing ground in the browser category. According to Web metrics firm Net Applications, Internet Explorer’s usage share numbers had been falling steadily for some time now; in September, IE had 65.71 percent of usage share last September, according to Net Applications, and had fallen all the way to 59.75 percent in May.
But in both June and July, Microsoft’s browser posted modest gains to bounce back to a current usage share of 60.74. “Internet Explorer extended its usage share gains by another .42% in July, gaining about 1% global share since May,” Net Applications’ report stated. “This is the second month in a row of global gains for Internet Explorer and the third straight month of gains for Internet Explorer 8 in the United States.”
Meanwhile, Microsoft’s gains were Google and Mozilla’s losses: both Chrome and Firefox lost ground, according to Net Applications. The declines were small, but coupled with IE’s growth in usage share, the data showed Internet Explorer 8 may be reversing the trend in the browser war for Microsoft.
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A lot of people like me actually do have several browsers, for example, I like Chrome because it’s quicker and has some nice features, but it doesn’t work with every site, so for those I fall back on IE.
Chrome rules.
Not according to market share figures, it doesn’t
Most of my friends who have recently bought their first PCs use IE by default and wouldn't know what Firefox or Chrome were.
IE definitely has the "Goober" market share.
If Winzigweich would come up with a migrate-procedure to allow jumping from XP to 7 without having to go to Vista first, they’d get even more. Perhaps some private brand migration software does this already.
Firefox. I keep IE updated because of that occasional time when only IE is acceptable on a site I have to deal with. Every time I use it I am reminded why I don’t use it.
I use Firefox and IE. What is this Chrome? good?
I use Firefox...because it isn’t IE.
Opera. Very stable.
I tried out that lastest Firefox (3.6.8, I think it was).
They apparently added all kinds of new crap. I started getting pop-ups and java loading.
I dumped it and went back to 3.6.3.
The honeymoon is over for me & Firefox, so after seeing this thread I went over to Google’s Chrome page. They have some of the dopiest, least informative informational videos I have ever seen anywhere. There’s some kind of loom and a lady playing a harp and there’s a pantograph....and the kind of music you hear in a commercial for baby hygiene products.
It was real slow loading too, but that’s why I’m disenchanted with Firefox.
I left without learning anything at all about Chrome, and I gave it a lot of chances. :(
Other than that, it really can't complete with Firefox.
One of my near-dear-here at 668 uses Opera, swears by it. Others swear at it.
It may be stable...and maybe I’m not...but I can’t get used to it, especially that speed dial thingy.
Opera’s main advantage is security, but I mostly use FF because of the extra features, like Cool Previews.
I just have to make sure I have FF add ons like Ad Block, Finjin, WOT, etc.
Last week I did a reinstall of XP on my wife’s machine.
Had to do a little browsing to find some drivers, did that using IE -before- I loaded up Firefox.
It was AMAZING how slow and cluttered up the net was, compared to FF with Adblocker and NoScript. Websites that I’d always thought of as a breeze were like wading through molasses.
And, yes. I AM logged in. All the way in
And now HTML5 is going to really make things interesting.
MS will do all right. You and some people may not like it but it is a ton better to install a new OS completely than to upgrade over an old OS. Just save important info and transfer it to the new OS.
You must not have configured correctly. I would also recommend the FF extension “NoScript”. Very granular control of JS.
3.6.8 is a good browser.
Is there a downside to that extension? Do some sites not display correctly?
Hugely addicted to using Opera here now. Not only stable, but just very well done from a usability perspective. And the tight integration with email, IRC, etc is also very nice. :) (And I believe Opera is leading the pack with HTML 5 implementation)
I primarily use Opera. Do you know how to save logon ids and passwords on it?
me too don’t like I. I have Macs and Safari has good points but is not as user friendly as FF
I resemble that remark.
I’ve stuck with IE since the early days. I tried Firefox and I really hate troubleshooting poorly working plugins.
Bottom line, if you aren’t an everyday user, stick with IE. Your tech support person will thank you.
Lovin’ Opera. It rocks! Have to use IE for some very limited work-related stuff, but overall Opera is the best I have tried.
I recently bought a laptop.
The only time I used IE was to download FireFox.
I have worked with IE, firefox (aka mosilla), chrome, opera, Konqueror, dillo. Even ice weasel (ice cat)
I accepted firefox with open arms, like all the others I have worked with on the networks I deal with..
But I quickly found out that it has very bad network manners. It behaves strangely. It hogs connection bandwidth even with no plugins. With the addition of the “faster fox” it becomes intolerable. It is almost like the people making firefox were a bunch of spoiled brats with the “I want everything now, to heck with everyone else” attitude, and that attitude spilled over into the program they made. It acts just a spoiled as the people that made it.
Firefox assumes that you have an uncluttered high speed connection. If you don’t, then you are asking for problems. If you have a network that connects via a dialup connection, one person using firefox will kill the usability for other people on the network. If it doesn’t get the next packet within a few thousandths of a second after the fist packet, it sends another request for the same page. With dialup, the packet flow isn’t fast enough to get in under that “re request” timeline, even with no one else using the connection. So the computer that manages the internet connection constantly gets pounded by the firefox computer when ever it’s loading a page, which means no one else can get anything.
While the IE and opera computers will happily wait as long as a get a few packets every second then they will just politely wait in line, until the data slowly trickles in.
In crowded high speed connections, firefox will also start to show the hogging behavior.
When you throw pre-fetching and fasterfox on top, then everything goes out the window. One computer can tie up a T1 connection and kill the usability for everyone else..
If I find someone using fasterfox or prefetching on one of my networks, I will ban the mac until they talk to me face to face.
It also terrorizes the server end too. That is why a lot of websites block any firefox user that is using fasterfox.
I am to the point that I suggest people avoid firefox. I, myself, stick with IE for the newer windows computers. I go with opera for the older windows computers. And I go with chrome or opera for linux computers.
It still gets me though, how a group of people that can come up with such a big program (firefox) can totally ignore how it’s behavior will affect the other users of large multi-user systems, and even the internet it’s self. How they can write a program with such poor network manners is beyond me.
And all the above, isn’t even getting into the user interface, and general usability….. which is another story…… For another time……
iMac / Safari for me. . . never used IE and used to love Firefox on my old
Dell but it had become very slow so I switched to Safari . . . it’s even better on
the iMac, but isn’t everything? And the mgic trackpad really rocks.
Opera should ask you to remember the password. Once it's remembered, when you visit the site again, clicking the button at the top with the little icon of a key will automatically log you in (I really love this feature).
I like Opera too— on both Windows and Macs. Now Camino is my first choice on Apple followed by Opera (might like Opera more if I took some time to look around the lastest version).
Thanks. I really need to learn more about it.
Why anyone in their right mind would choose to have a Microsoft application on their computer if they had a choice, when there are other choices, is beyond me. But to each their own.
I’ll stick with Firefox.
What is “Finjin”? I can’t find it in an extension search.
It depends on what you allow. Like I mentioned, it’s very granular in permission settings. A lot of websites have javascripts from external sites. Google-analyitcs for example. Other site scripts can display ads and or pop ups. You can allow all for a particular site, or you can tell it to allow specific ones; just enough to get you around. Check out the NoScript site for more info.
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Why anyone in their right minds, would come up with such a ridiculous statement like yours, is beyond me.
According to you, the over 90% of computer users on the planet, who CHOSE to use Microsoft applications like MS Office, IE, Exchange Server, SQL Server, etc etc, are not “in their right minds”, huh?
Say, did it occur to you, that it's you, a part of the tiny, fanatical minority, and constantly spew out garbage like this, who is not in your right mind?
Your screeching temper tantrum speaks for itself.
Yes, It may come as news to all, but, real people, and real businesses actually exist outside of the range of cable, DSL, and what ever else.
The only options are cellular data, if available. And satellite data. Depending on the situation, they may, or may not be usable, or needed.
If you can’t get a view of the satellite in question, then no good. If you don’t have cellular data coverage, then no good. Some cell providers will actually cancel your account if you try to use it for fixed service. And if you’re primary work flow is E mail and “text” data files, then you may be able to get by with a dial up connection.
Sometimes, you have to go with a VPN or direct point to point (dialup) for privacy reasons when transferring documents.
Someone can say that they should get a leased line to run high speed data on, but at the distances you see out here in the sticks, you won’t get speeds much above dialup. You could say that you should get fiber, but money doesn’t grow on trees, and that cost real money!!!!!!There is one place just west of us where they have a direct way dish on top of a 100 foot tower to get above an obstruction. But that is an extream.
As I stated, even on a stout connection, it still causes problems. With faster fox, when you enter a webpage, fasterfox will follow all the links from that webpage and download all the webpages it links to, that way, when you click on any one of the links, you see the new page “instantly” The problem with that is, depending on what page you are viewing, the linked web pages may contain hundred’s of megabytes, or even gigabytes of data. So, while the FF user is calmly sitting there, reading the webpage, faster fox is simultaneously downloading 50 or more web pages. Everyone else on the network drags down to a crawl. The streaming media presentation in the other room grinds to a stop, and everyone gets mad! Once the person gets done reading the page, he may not even click on any of the links, so all that downloaded data is just thrown out.
When you are watching a packet snifer. The normal behavior when using IE or any other browser, when you have a heavily used connection, or a dial up is… (Request packet from the browser to the internet gateway)….(data packet). (data packet)(data packet)……. (data packet)……. (data packet)(data packet)…. On and on…
When you are using FF with a heavily used (high speed) connection …. You get…. … (Request packet from the browser to the internet gateway)….(data packet). (data packet)(data packet)…(re request packet)…. (data packet)… (re request packet)…. (data packet)(data packet)… (re request packet). On and on…
When you are using FF with a dial up connection …. You get…. … (Request packet from the browser to the internet gateway)….(data packet). (re request packet) (data packet). (re request packet) (data packet). (re request packet) (data packet). (re request packet). On and on…
When a computer does a new request or re request, it gets priority over ongoing data flow. Once the data starts flowing, the gateway equalizes the bandwidth among all ongoing data flows to balance things out. With the constant re-requesting every time the next packet in the line doesn’t show up promptly, the computer in question keeps pushing his data stream to the head of the queue. That basically shuts off the data flow to every other computer on the network until the FF computer is done pulling data. When you combine that with Faster fox, then ow buddy, stand back. I have seen gateways auto lockout a mac address because it confused the faster fox activity as a denial of service attack from inside/outside the system.
The makers of the software do not have the right to assume what you are using it with, or the network that it is going to exist in. The product should conform to accepted behavioral norms that other networking systems have set out! Other systems work fine, firefox doesn’t. It’s firefox’s problem. Plenty of people have complained over the years, but the people that make firefox won’t listen. It has got to the point that website owners have openly talked about banning all FF users from their sites. That is why the spoofer plugin that makes FF look like IE to the website it’s visiting was created. But website owners have come up with behavioral checks to determine if it’s really firefox/faster fox. If the visiting browser does specific things, then it gets banned.
How many other browsers out there have web site owners talked about banning? None that I know of……
I do know one group that definitely wishes you would not use Firefox: it’s the hax0rs who want to 0wn your browser.
If you use FF with AdBlock Plus, the filterset Rick752's EasyList Filter is a very popular and effective add on. The list is still being updated.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2036598/posts
Links posted here and to the WashPost article are still active.
I as well get that annoying “unresponsive script” warning box pain in the butt! Never had it until I got latest v. of FF 3.6.8 Guess I could go back to earlier v. But will wait and see if FF addresses this issue. Sure they are aware of it.
It’s actually called Finjan. It scans websites for bad stuff before you log in.
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