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Posted on 08/10/2010 9:29:59 PM PDT by TaraP
A new superbug that is resistant to even the most powerful antibiotics has entered UK hospitals, experts warn.
They say bacteria which make an enzyme called NDM-1 travelled back with NHS patients who had gone abroad to countries like India and Pakistan for treatments such as cosmetic surgery.
Although there have only been about 50 cases identified in the UK so far, scientists fear it will go global.
Tight surveillance and new drugs are needed says Lancet Infectious Diseases.
NDM-1 can exist inside different bacteria, like E.coli, and it makes them resistant to one of the most powerful groups of antibiotics - carbapenems.
These are generally reserved for use in emergencies and to combat hard-to-treat infections caused by other multi-resistant bacteria.
Continue reading the main story Start Quote The fear would be that it gets into a strain of bacteria that is very good at being transmitted between patients End Quote Dr David Livermore
Researcher from the HPA
Q&A: NDM-1 superbugs And experts fear NDM-1 could now jump to other strains of bacteria that are already resistant to many other antibiotics.
Ultimately, this could produce dangerous infections that would spread rapidly from person to person and be almost impossible to treat.
At least one of the NDM-1 infections the researchers analysed was resistant to all known antibiotics.
Dr David Livermore, one of the researchers and who works for the UK's Health Protection Agency (HPA), said: "There have been a number of small clusters within the UK, but far and away the greater number of cases appear to be associated with travel and hospital treatment in the Indian subcontinent.
E. coli can cause urinary tract infections and blood poisoning "This type of resistance has become quite widespread there
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Last time I checked, NO bug was chlorine bleach resistant. Good sanitation is the key to preventing the spread of this stuff.
March 23, 2008
MRSA and C difficile superbug deaths at 10,000 a year http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article3602788.ece
Superbugs and NHS failings
From 43: Most hospitals have bottles of alcohol-based hand disinfectant by their doors, but Duerden says that until recently their inefficacy against C diff spores was not common knowledge outside microbiology circles an unacceptable level of ignorance, insists Wise, who said it had been known about for donkeys years.
Olav Nataas, however, insists the search-and-destroy process is key: We know hand-washing is never 100%, he says. This preoccupation with cleaning is not the main issue. It is identifying the infection as rapidly as possible and treating it in a way that does not risk others.
It is this uncertainty among Britains scientists, healthcare administrators and politicians that has led to the latest disagreement about hospital cleaning. This month, every hospital in Britain is meant to have completed a special deep clean, for which an extra £57m has been allocated. How exactly a deep clean is performed is less clear. There are no prescriptions for cleaning materials, training for cleaners, or methods of checking whether things are actually clean.
Nobody is keen to define what clean means in hospital terms and, according to Andrew Large, the director-general of the Cleaning and Support Services Association, some hospitals are doing nothing at all. There is no specification about whether hospitals are clean or not, but there is plenty of academic evidence that a greater presence of people doing routine cleaning on wards is what makes a difference, he says. After all, you could do a deep clean, but if the person inspecting it goes in and sneezes when they happen to be carrying one of these infections, you are back to square one.
Whoa. That is scary.
Yes you can take it internally. You could also put it on a cut or scrape.
It is extremely powerful and strong tasting. It is good to put it on bread or even inside a capsule and take. A few drops is all you need at any one time.
I think what he meant to get across was not to place your faith totally in medicine and doctors (in man and man’s intelligence alone). God’s healing can work through a good doctor’s diagnosis and treatment ability, the medicines and herbs that are given with care. Just don’t believe that that’s ALL you need for healing, or that God isn’t the one behind the healing. He can work through the medicine, He can work through prayer, He can work through other people, or if He chooses, He can work directly on a person. We don’t know all the ways and reasons why He heals one person one way, and another person, a different way, and a third person, who is not physically healed. There are reasons.
Besides the Apostle Luke was a physician and there was no rebuke of his profession by Christ.
Sometimes whatever is going on to the sick person isn’t the main thing God is trying to accomplish. i.e. Perhaps the sickness of one patient and their recovery is something that gets a doctor or nurse on the path to receiving Christ. Perhaps someone who is weak in faith, praying for another person, has their faith strengthened by the ordeal. Perhaps through the sickness itself the sick person comes to Christ. There are always reasons, we are not privy to all of them.
Sometimes people just get sick and go to a doctor for medicine to relieve their suffering. If God objects to that, He hasn’t made it known.
And there’s nothing wrong with that. I didn’t say there was, and the other guy didn’t say that either.
“These people are presumably travelling back to their countries of origin for cosmetic surgery simply because it’s cheaper to do so.”
Sure, but it also says something about the cost/quality ratio in the UK if they are willing to go to pakistan.
The socialized part ensures that the private part is expensive and failing itself.
“the other guy didnt say that either.”
Why did he mention it, if he didn’t mean it? If he was just saying “God is good”, fine, but it was certainly out of context in that case.
You are being disingenuous if you do not admit that there are crazies out there that think that prayer is literally all you need when you get sick - and that that is exactly why the previous poster mentioned it.
That advice is deadly.
“These people are presumably travelling back to their countries of origin for cosmetic surgery simply because it’s cheaper to do so. “
By claiming it is cosmetic surgery, the NHS is putting itself in the most positive light. They can’t possibly know the specific source. It could have been cosmetic surgery just as easily as it could have been a needed procedure that requires an interminable wait under the NHS.
He wrote: Dont place your faith in modern medicine. God is much more powerful.
There is more than one way to read this, depending on how you WANT to read it.
If you are believing the guy is one of those people who only believes that prayer is needed to heal people, then you will react the way you did.
If you believe the guy meant to convey the idea that people shouldn’t just rely on medicine alone, because sometimes even the best medicine can’t save people, or to illustrate that man’s ability to cure things is finite, and not to put your entire faith in other men and drugs, that’s another way to look at what he wrote.
One way to settle it, ask the guy directly.
I will say I personally believe he took the verse of Mark out of context.
“There is more than one way to read this, depending on how you WANT to read it.”
There is only one way to read it if it is in the context of the thread.
I accept and appreciate your read... My brand of insanity downplays modern medicine. If its your time to go, they can’t save you. If it’s not, they can’t kill you.
I would not begrudge my family members from seeking treatment. I pay for health insurance.
I myself have not seen a physician for many years. 10 years ago I had to see one because I had to have a chest xray because I had been exposed to TB at a prison years before.
I did participate in a health screening recently. My cholesterol and triglyceride readings were off the chart in positive directions.
My faith is in God. Place yours where you will. There is therefore now no condemnation of those in Christ Jesus. Maranatha!
No, Paul himself was afflicted (eyesight if I recall)- he also advised Timothy about his stomachs frequent infirmities.
Christians, regardless of faith, service or station are subject to have a thorn in their side. It serves to build compassion I believe for those who also suffer.
We should minister to those in need. Not rebuke them for lack of faith!
I don’t reject science; “gnosis” in the Greek text. But, if you reject God’s capacity to deliver and heal you miss a lot of opportunity.
I have faith in God. I believe He works for us through a number of different ways. Other people, herbs, medicines, prayer. If He didn’t work through other people nobody would need to have a job, God would just do everything directly. But He doesn’t. He expects man to do up to what man can do, and then God will do what only God can do. For us in more advanced societies, with modern medical treatment abilities, and knowledge of natural compounds that help the body, he expects us to use that knowledge and resources available to us, so He can work through those ways and heal through other people and medicines and other natural herbs and such. He also goes beyond medicine and saves people and doctors have no understanding in some cases why someone survives. Sometimes the doctors come to God after what they see a patient go through, and hear their testimony.
I’m right there with you.
My original statement was don’t put all your faith in modern medicine.
Luke was a physician. But not a sorcerer.
Leaving (the one true)God out is where problems begin.