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New 'Superbug' found in UK hospitals....
BBC ^ | August 10th, 2010

Posted on 08/10/2010 9:29:59 PM PDT by TaraP

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To: Winniesboy

“These people are presumably travelling back to their countries of origin for cosmetic surgery simply because it’s cheaper to do so.”

Sure, but it also says something about the cost/quality ratio in the UK if they are willing to go to pakistan.

The socialized part ensures that the private part is expensive and failing itself.


51 posted on 08/11/2010 1:53:34 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“the other guy didn’t say that either.”

Why did he mention it, if he didn’t mean it? If he was just saying “God is good”, fine, but it was certainly out of context in that case.

You are being disingenuous if you do not admit that there are crazies out there that think that prayer is literally all you need when you get sick - and that that is exactly why the previous poster mentioned it.

That advice is deadly.


52 posted on 08/11/2010 2:07:48 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Winniesboy

“These people are presumably travelling back to their countries of origin for cosmetic surgery simply because it’s cheaper to do so. “

By claiming it is cosmetic surgery, the NHS is putting itself in the most positive light. They can’t possibly know the specific source. It could have been cosmetic surgery just as easily as it could have been a needed procedure that requires an interminable wait under the NHS.


53 posted on 08/11/2010 2:12:10 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

He wrote: “Don’t place your faith in modern medicine. God is much more powerful.”

There is more than one way to read this, depending on how you WANT to read it.

If you are believing the guy is one of those people who only believes that prayer is needed to heal people, then you will react the way you did.

If you believe the guy meant to convey the idea that people shouldn’t just rely on medicine alone, because sometimes even the best medicine can’t save people, or to illustrate that man’s ability to cure things is finite, and not to put your entire faith in other men and drugs, that’s another way to look at what he wrote.

One way to settle it, ask the guy directly.

I will say I personally believe he took the verse of Mark out of context.


54 posted on 08/11/2010 5:21:14 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

“There is more than one way to read this, depending on how you WANT to read it.”

There is only one way to read it if it is in the context of the thread.


55 posted on 08/11/2010 6:40:38 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Secret Agent Man

I accept and appreciate your read... My brand of insanity downplays modern medicine. If its your time to go, they can’t save you. If it’s not, they can’t kill you.

I would not begrudge my family members from seeking treatment. I pay for health insurance.

I myself have not seen a physician for many years. 10 years ago I had to see one because I had to have a chest xray because I had been exposed to TB at a prison years before.

I did participate in a health screening recently. My cholesterol and triglyceride readings were off the chart in positive directions.

My faith is in God. Place yours where you will. There is therefore now no condemnation of those in Christ Jesus. Maranatha!


56 posted on 08/12/2010 8:45:32 PM PDT by One Name
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To: panaxanax

No, Paul himself was afflicted (eyesight if I recall)- he also advised Timothy about his stomachs frequent infirmities.

Christians, regardless of faith, service or station are subject to have a thorn in their side. It serves to build compassion I believe for those who also suffer.

We should minister to those in need. Not rebuke them for lack of faith!

I don’t reject science; “gnosis” in the Greek text. But, if you reject God’s capacity to deliver and heal you miss a lot of opportunity.


57 posted on 08/12/2010 8:56:29 PM PDT by One Name
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To: RFEngineer
The converse may be construed to be "darkly inspired", that God does not heal and we are at the mercy of the Original Word: φαρμακεύς Transliteration: pharmakeus Phonetic Spelling: (far-mak-yoos') Short Definition: sorcerer
58 posted on 08/12/2010 9:09:38 PM PDT by One Name
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To: One Name

I have faith in God. I believe He works for us through a number of different ways. Other people, herbs, medicines, prayer. If He didn’t work through other people nobody would need to have a job, God would just do everything directly. But He doesn’t. He expects man to do up to what man can do, and then God will do what only God can do. For us in more advanced societies, with modern medical treatment abilities, and knowledge of natural compounds that help the body, he expects us to use that knowledge and resources available to us, so He can work through those ways and heal through other people and medicines and other natural herbs and such. He also goes beyond medicine and saves people and doctors have no understanding in some cases why someone survives. Sometimes the doctors come to God after what they see a patient go through, and hear their testimony.


59 posted on 08/12/2010 9:43:01 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I’m right there with you.

My original statement was don’t put all your faith in modern medicine.

Luke was a physician. But not a sorcerer.

Leaving (the one true)God out is where problems begin.


60 posted on 08/12/2010 9:50:50 PM PDT by One Name
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To: One Name
"The converse may be construed to be "darkly inspired", that God does not heal and we are at the mercy of the Original Word: φαρμακεύς Transliteration: pharmakeus Phonetic Spelling: (far-mak-yoos') Short Definition: sorcerer" This is all very interesting, but prayer doesn't heal this particular antibiotic resistant infection in an effective predictable fashion, and is therefore not part of a medical treatment regime.
61 posted on 08/13/2010 12:50:51 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

Prayer doesn’t heal any malady in a particularly predictable fashion.

Prayer doesn’t solve financial problems, or relationship problems or even spiritual problems in any statistically significant way.

Prayer doesn’t make sense. It’s foolishness.

1 Cor 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Sometimes it is the only hope we have left.


62 posted on 08/13/2010 5:49:22 PM PDT by One Name
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To: One Name

“Sometimes it is the only hope we have left.”

This is not such a case. This is a medical challenge. You’ve given up all other hope and default to prayer, and seem to advocate others do the same.

“Prayer doesn’t make sense. It’s foolishness.”

In this case, I agree. It’s foolishness to pray in lieu of taking proper medical precautions.

I don’t think it would hurt to do both - but medicine has done a pretty good job of relieving much pain and suffering on balance.


63 posted on 08/13/2010 6:12:27 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

I wasn’t addressing the superbug(s) with the “no hope” remark. I happen to believe new antibiotics or other more sophisticated systems of treatment can and should be developed.

I’m not a research scientist, obviously. I am not advocating people reject medical science.

What I am advocating is that people not reject the power of God and the angels to protect us from all manner of things, far beyond pathogens ( or in the case of prions, non-living protein templates), relying strictly on the power and knowledge of man as the savior of humankind.

Yeah, I called my relatives who were nurses when my kids were sick.

Medicine is not a religion, however. It may save your mortal life, but it cannot save your soul.


64 posted on 08/13/2010 7:29:31 PM PDT by One Name
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To: One Name

“Medicine is not a religion, however. It may save your mortal life, but it cannot save your soul.”

True enough. But the thread was about medicine.


65 posted on 08/13/2010 7:49:54 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: RFEngineer

You are right. Wrong of me to try to steer it away. Doomsday stuff triggers me to act that way.

Peace, FRiend.


66 posted on 08/13/2010 8:20:36 PM PDT by One Name
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To: One Name

“Doomsday stuff triggers me to act that way.”

It’s not doomsday. It’s not a cakewalk, but it’s not doomsday. Medicine isn’t everything, but it’s far from nothing.

Be well.


67 posted on 08/13/2010 8:29:44 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: One Name; Secret Agent Man; RFEngineer
We just traveled through 10 states, while concurrently fighting one of the most pervasive bacterial (strep?)infections we have met, manifesting as pink eye in some, and a sore throat in others, along with fever, malaise, a cough, loss of voice. We know that some families we left behind in Ohio tested positive for strep just as we rolled out of town. Most of the families we knew followed the Standard American Diet (SAD), and followed the American Medical Association (AMA) protocol, which was aggressive antibiotics to stop the overgrowth. What was alarming was the fact that many of these families continued to get sicker, despite treatment. We wondered if we as a society had reached the point where antibiotics against certain bugs were totally ineffective.

We, on the other hand, had invested over 8 months in the GAPS diet, which you can look up on the web, and we did not want to jeopardize the months of probiotic supplementation at the therapeutic level by taking an antibiotic. So we ramped up our vitamin C uptake, as well as keeping our probiotic intake at maximum levels. What we found was that the body threw off the disease by itself, despite the stress we were under during our move.

The lesson we learned was that having “normal” populations of good microbes in your system is the best way to keep opportunistic organisms in check, even really nasty ones. This is done by eating fermented foods, taking probiotic supplements of key organisms, and eating foods in their natural state (no processed foods).

This may be the answer to many prayers as the modern pharmaceutical paradigm starts running out of tricks.

I believe that verses 10-16 in Psalm 90 can be interpreted as the trillions of fungi and bacteria which inhabit and keep our bodies alive, and the knowledge of how to use them for our benefit.

Cheers..

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Qui habitat. The just is secure under the protection of God.

[1] The praise of a canticle for David. He that dwelleth in the aid of the most High, shall abide under the protection of the God of Jacob. [2] He shall say to the Lord: Thou art my protector, and my refuge: my God, in him will I trust. [3] For he hath delivered me from the snare of the hunters: and from the sharp word. [4] He will overshadow thee with his shoulders: and under his wings thou shalt trust. [5] His truth shall compass thee with a shield: thou shalt not be afraid of the terror of the night.

[6] Of the arrow that flieth in the day, of the business that walketh about in the dark: of invasion, or of the noonday devil. [7] A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand: but it shall not come nigh thee. [8] But thou shalt consider with thy eyes: and shalt see the reward of the wicked. [9] Because thou, O Lord, art my hope: thou hast made the most High thy refuge. [10] There shall no evil come to thee: nor shall the scourge come near thy dwelling.

[11] For he hath given his angels charge over thee; to keep thee in all thy ways. [12] In their hands they shall bear thee up: lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. [13] Thou shalt walk upon the asp and the basilisk: and thou shalt trample under foot the lion and the dragon. [14] Because he hoped in me I will deliver him: I will protect him because he hath known my name. [15] He shall cry to me, and I will hear him: I am with him in tribulation, I will deliver him, and I will glorify him.

[16] I will fill him with length of days; and I will shew him my salvation.

68 posted on 09/14/2010 10:40:47 PM PDT by blackpacific
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