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Huckabee Backed Winner in George: What's teh Big Deal?
Caffeinated Thoughts ^ | August 11, 2010 | David Shedlock

Posted on 08/11/2010 10:44:41 AM PDT by grassboots.org

Mike Huckabee raises his hands as if to say "Who me?"

The headline could have read "Deal, Huckabee and Gingrich beat Handel, Palin, and Romney in Georgia GOP Governor Run-Off."

Of course only Deal and Handel were running. Each candidate rises and falls on his or her own merits. As I posted earlier, endorsements may actually do more for or against the candidate doing the endorsing rather than the one being endorsed.

But in Georgia Tuesday, Nathan Deal upset conventional wisdom and Karen Handel with a come-from-behind win in Tuesday’s run-off election. Handel lsot to Deal by only about 2500 votes after beating him handily in the primary race. Deal had a rally with backer Governor Mike Huckabee on the Sunday before the vote while Handel got a boost from her own supporter Monday, Governor Sarah Palin. This is just the latest state race that may have implications for the national presidential candidates. Will there be fallout from Palin’s support of a candidate who, a few years ago, joined the homosexual rights group, the Log Cabin Republicans, and then denied it during her campaign (Handel, that is)? Handel also supports abortion in the so-called “special cases” of rape and incest.

Huckabee, on the other hand, has pledged to only support candidates who are 100% pro-life and pro-marriage. If there is a political advantage to this it would quickly dissipate if he reneges on this promise. I am not claiming that Huckabee’s reasons for this are political. (As a supporter of his campaign in 2008 I believe they are based on principle, instead.)

Romney supported Handel, too, but he has already backed at least two candidates that are decidedly pro-abortion (Governor candidates Meg Whitman of California, and Bob Ehrlich of Maryland). Newt Gingrich sided with Deal in this race but had previously endorsed Whitman and DeDe Scozzafava, the liberal Republican chosen by "the establishment" in the famous NY-23 House race eventually won by the Democrat. Conservatives, including Palin, had rallied around Doug Hoffman.

2012 is a long way off, but...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: 2010midterms; ga2010; karenhandel; mikehuckabee; nathandeal; sarahpalin
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1 posted on 08/11/2010 10:44:44 AM PDT by grassboots.org
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To: grassboots.org

teh, the, duh...


2 posted on 08/11/2010 10:47:14 AM PDT by grassboots.org (I'll Say It Again - The First Freedom is Life.)
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To: grassboots.org

Huckabee has no shot at 2012 - he is socially conservative, but a little to liberal on the fiscal side.


3 posted on 08/11/2010 10:47:18 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: grassboots.org
On their home turf, 2 southern boys managed to endorse a guy who won by a few thousand votes? Really want to brag that up?

If you cannot do better then this on your own turf, your boys are toast everywhere else.

4 posted on 08/11/2010 10:47:22 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: grassboots.org

George and Georgia are two different people


5 posted on 08/11/2010 10:48:29 AM PDT by grassboots.org (I'll Say It Again - The First Freedom is Life.)
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To: CA Conservative
he is socially conservative, but a little to liberal on the fiscal side.

I'm not sure I'd call him socially conservative what with his pro-amnesty stance during the last go-around.

6 posted on 08/11/2010 10:50:25 AM PDT by bcsco (Hopey changey down the drainey...)
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To: MNJohnnie; grassboots.org
The endorsements had little if anything to do with the outcome. Endorsements may have some effect when the candidate isn't well known to the majority of the voters.

But both these candidates are pretty well known to Georgians. The folks who turned out (and turnout was light) made their judgment on Handel and Deal, not who showed up to endorse them.

7 posted on 08/11/2010 10:51:03 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: grassboots.org

Handel ( IMHO ) was poorly served by her campaign near the election in that the Handel robo calls were ‘ugly’ negative.

They turned me off. I voted for her anyways, because I wanted to send the message that establishment ‘Pubbies are not my first choice. Deal is arguably more conservative that Handel, but he’s been in DC too long to be fully supported.


8 posted on 08/11/2010 10:51:22 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: CA Conservative

He is not too socially conservative either.


9 posted on 08/11/2010 10:52:35 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: grassboots.org
Handel beat Handel.

Handle went totally negative on Deal at the last second.

I am on a number of mailing lists of politically active groups in GA since I am planning to live there soon. A number of them switched from Handel to Deal this weekend because of those attack ads.

Handel made a bad mistake making her last minute appeal on ethic charges filed against Deal by wacko Leftist group CREW. Those ads rally pissed quite a few people in GA.

10 posted on 08/11/2010 10:52:56 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: grassboots.org
I was wondering why you chose not to copy the headline and instead mangle it for us.

But looks like the writer did some mangling of his own:

But in George Tuesday, Nathan Deal upset conventional wisdom and Karen Handel

Apparently, caring about what you write is a lost art...

11 posted on 08/11/2010 10:53:41 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: grassboots.org; Admin Moderator

Oh Great and Wise Mods,

Can you help this poor guy out? He is a victim of headline-no-spell-check-itis. Also, you may want to move this out of ‘news’ and into ‘bloggers’ before the mafia arrive and inform him of his faux pas.


12 posted on 08/11/2010 10:53:53 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: bcsco

I haven’t followed him that closely, but I know he is pro-life and pro-marriage. However, he is also pro-tax and pro-spending, at least based on his record in Arkansas.


13 posted on 08/11/2010 10:54:25 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: grassboots.org
Huckelberry almost cost Deal my and my wife's vote, but Handel was so bad I had to vote for Deal.
14 posted on 08/11/2010 10:54:53 AM PDT by rideharddiefast
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To: grassboots.org

Gomer


15 posted on 08/11/2010 10:58:39 AM PDT by FrankR (It doesn't matter what they call us, only what we answer to....)
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To: grassboots.org

is it true that Deal was a registered Democrat until ‘95?


16 posted on 08/11/2010 11:01:22 AM PDT by mockingbyrd (Remember in November.)
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To: bcsco

He didn’t have a pro-amnesty stance last time around.


17 posted on 08/11/2010 11:13:16 AM PDT by grassboots.org (I'll Say It Again - The First Freedom is Life.)
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To: grassboots.org

Gov. Mike Huckabee Thursday denounced a bill by Sen. Jim Holt that would deny state benefits to illegal immigrants as un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life.

“I don’t understand how a practicing Christian can turn his back on a child from this or any other state,” Huckabee said.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1331650/posts


18 posted on 08/11/2010 11:16:56 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Izzy, I admit this was a failure. I am used to do-overs on the main site I post on and got in too big of a hurry. By the way, I am the writer, if you will look at my profile.

I care very much what I write about.


19 posted on 08/11/2010 11:17:59 AM PDT by grassboots.org (I'll Say It Again - The First Freedom is Life.)
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To: CA Conservative

I think if you followed him more closely, you would find that he is not pro-tax and spend. Not perfect, but not inclined that way, overall.


20 posted on 08/11/2010 11:19:56 AM PDT by grassboots.org (I'll Say It Again - The First Freedom is Life.)
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To: grassboots.org

I doubt that the Huckster’s endorsement made much, if any, difference in this contest.


21 posted on 08/11/2010 11:32:09 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (REAL Americans Bow to No One But The Almighty! - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I conceded that point at the very beginning. The thrust of the argument is whether endorsements tell us anything about the endorser, and whether they make a difference to the political aspirations of the endorser.


22 posted on 08/11/2010 11:37:10 AM PDT by grassboots.org (I'll Say It Again - The First Freedom is Life.)
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To: CA Conservative
When it comes to such fiscal matters as controlling state spending and keeping tax rates reasonable people in California would find Huckabee a breath of fresh air.

The only folks in Arkansas who criticize Huckabee's tenure as Governor come in two varieties ~ (1) Those who oppose paved roads, and (2) Those who don't believe convicted felons should ever get commutation of sentence, or pardons ~ EVER!

23 posted on 08/11/2010 11:53:04 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: allmendream
That was "then" but "this" is "now" and the Huck has had a chance to think through the Christian morality of rolling over for the thieves.

He clean done fergot about the part of "it's a tough world, carry a big stick".

As far as mistreating children is concerned if their parents are illegal aliens then they should be caught and shipped back home to familiar circumstances. It's not like Mexico (for 90% of them) is a third-world hellhole. The place is actually one of the better places to live in this world.

24 posted on 08/11/2010 11:56:08 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: grassboots.org

I strongly suspect that the endorser generally doesn’t dig that deeply into a candidate’s resume, unless they happen to know them personally. For the candidate, the most obvious benefit of an endorsement is to get the public to pay attention to them. At that point, the candidate has to stand on their own merits. The endorser gains a future political ally, if the endorsee wins, or at least remains on the political scene.


25 posted on 08/11/2010 11:56:11 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (REAL Americans Bow to No One But The Almighty! - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: muawiyah
Huckabee was a loser idiot then.

Huckabee is a loser idiot now.

Huckabee is for rewarding illegality with government benefits. Spin it all you want.

The guy is as dumb as a box of rocks, and his thinking is no more developed than the “Soggy Bottom Boy's” of “O Brother Where Art Thou?” who think that because God forgives your sin, the State has lost its claim upon your ass belonging in prison.

26 posted on 08/11/2010 12:02:07 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

Weren’t you among the ones against paving the roads? I think I recall that name ~


27 posted on 08/11/2010 12:03:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
No. I am against giving benefits to illegal aliens, and against the idea that if you give your heart to Jesus your ass no longer belongs in prison.

Why are you trying to change the subject to roads?

You too find his idiocy indefensible?

28 posted on 08/11/2010 12:06:53 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
It's all of a piece, although there are two groups ~ the anti roads crowd and the anti pardon crowd that deserve to be targeted.

Frankly I don't think we should allow pardons or parole ~ stick 'em in jail and keep 'em there come what may! Concerning roads, they are exceedingly useful and their design dates back many hundreds of millions of years to the first animals.

Paved roads are better.

29 posted on 08/11/2010 12:10:07 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Yeah, that is about as logical as saying that if you oppose Obamacare you are against people getting treated in hospitals.

It is you who are fixated on roads, no doubt because you want to move the subject away from his indefensible stance on giving government benefits to illegal aliens.

I do NOT oppose Huckabee for anything he ever did regarding roads, get that through your skull.

I oppose Huckabee because he is a moron who attempts to hide his socialism pro-illegal and soft headed soft of crime stance behind his religion.

30 posted on 08/11/2010 12:15:15 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

He does? We’ll need to go through that chapter and verse.


31 posted on 08/11/2010 12:44:23 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: grassboots.org

No big deal, if you take the endorsement of a 2 time accomplice to murder.


32 posted on 08/11/2010 1:14:09 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: muawiyah
Chapter 1:Verse 1: Huckabee is a boob, and idiot, an imbecile. He is not conservative. His ideas of Christianity are infantile. His support for giving illegal immigrants government benefits based upon his religious beliefs is wrong both politically and theologically. His soft headed soft on crime stance is an abomination that has already led to unneeded deaths.
33 posted on 08/11/2010 1:15:24 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

You failed to come to grips with my proposal for NO PAROLE NO PARDONS. So, who’s soft on crime? From my perspective it likes you and the Huck are in the same trick bag eh!


34 posted on 08/11/2010 1:22:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Good thinking, Sons.


35 posted on 08/11/2010 1:23:45 PM PDT by grassboots.org (I'll Say It Again - The First Freedom is Life.)
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To: allmendream

Nice name calling. Brilliant arguments.


36 posted on 08/11/2010 1:26:06 PM PDT by grassboots.org (I'll Say It Again - The First Freedom is Life.)
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To: muawiyah
From my perspective it likes you not speak em good English.

No, for my position to be the same as the Huckster I would have to support pardons based upon religious repentance; and I do not.

Remind me again who is the Huckabee defender here? From my perspective it likes you who be that.

37 posted on 08/11/2010 1:27:27 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: grassboots.org
So besides the “name calling” (i.e. calling it like I see it), what words would you use to describe someone whose pardon of murderers has led to senseless deaths and someone who describes as “Un-Christian” any attempt to deny government benefits to ILLEGAL aliens?

Seems to me that Huckabee called me un-Christian, long before I called him an imbecile.

38 posted on 08/11/2010 1:29:50 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

I am not sure why I address name-callers, but I guess it is for the other readers.

Huckabee enforced federal court rulings which required certain benefits to be given to illegals and their children, including a government school eduamacation (what good that’ll do ‘em!) and treatment in emergency rooms. The only bill he supported (but lost) was a bill that would have allowed children of illegal immigrants who completed their entire high school years in the government schools to get the in-state tuition rate.

Your view of his record on commutations is distorted.


39 posted on 08/11/2010 1:31:45 PM PDT by grassboots.org (I'll Say It Again - The First Freedom is Life.)
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To: allmendream

“whose pardon of murderers”

He pardoned no murderers, as far as I know. The two most prominent cases involved murders after they had their sentences commuted.


40 posted on 08/11/2010 1:35:19 PM PDT by grassboots.org (I'll Say It Again - The First Freedom is Life.)
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To: grassboots.org
He said it was “Un-Christian” to deny illegal immigrants benefits. You can get into the minutiae of federal vs state all you want, the guys PHILOSOPHY is that it is “Un-Christian” to deny them benefits.

Do you agree that it is “Un-Christian” to deny illegal aliens benefits?

Do you think the role of Government is to fulfill peoples obligations as Christians?

41 posted on 08/11/2010 1:43:53 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream

We should really be denying everybody “benefits”, if you want to know the truth,

and No.


42 posted on 08/11/2010 1:47:46 PM PDT by grassboots.org (I'll Say It Again - The First Freedom is Life.)
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To: grassboots.org
You don't seem to know much about Huckabee, or maybe you only know what you want to know.

In 2004, Huckabee commuted the sentence of convicted murderer Denver Witham.

43 posted on 08/11/2010 1:48:56 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: grassboots.org
And that was just ONE. He did 1000 pardons; much more than any of his predecessors. I am sure there were plenty of murderers in that bunch.
44 posted on 08/11/2010 1:50:12 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: grassboots.org

If Mike can make those pardons and the resulting murders unhappen, maybe we can talk.


45 posted on 08/11/2010 1:53:30 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: allmendream

Naw, until you repent and tell us you are AGAINST PAROLE ~ just Parole ~ like we’ve done here in Virginia, you are still in the Huckabee camp!


46 posted on 08/11/2010 2:02:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: allmendream
Weren't the Huck's immediate predecessors as Governor too busy trying to avoid going to prison themselves to bother pardoning people?

Kind of left a backlog of what are termed "compassionate paroles" ~ like the guy's dying and you move him out of his cell and somebody else gets to pay for his burial.

47 posted on 08/11/2010 2:05:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Your excuse making for Huckabee is pitiful.

He is soft on crime.

He is soft on illegal aliens.

He is soft headed in his theology.

48 posted on 08/11/2010 2:21:24 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: grassboots.org

Liberals are hoping to portray Palin as recklessly destroying the Republican Party — in the hope that she doesn’t destroy the Democratic Party in November.


49 posted on 08/11/2010 2:50:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I don't need a newspaper to know the world's been shaved by a drunken barber.)
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To: grassboots.org
He didn’t have a pro-amnesty stance last time around.

Hmmmm. That was my take...

50 posted on 08/11/2010 2:55:25 PM PDT by bcsco (Hopey changey down the drainey...)
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