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'Ground Zero Mosque' Controversy Shows America's New Nativism (Elites say we're "know-nothings")
US News and World Report ^ | August 11, 2010 | Robert Schlesinger

Posted on 08/11/2010 2:32:32 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The proposed community center would enrage bin Laden, so why are Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich taking up his cause?

Have you heard about the "ground zero mosque?" They're going to build a great towering monstrosity of a thing, a gloating reminder of what they did to us on 9/11, a thumb in the eye of any real Americans who want to pay respect to those lost on that tragic day.

It will, according to Rudy Giuliani, be a "desecration" of ground zero. Newt Gingrich has called it an "assertion of Islamist triumphalism." And Sarah Palin was so incensed at what she called a "stab ... in the heart" that she coined a new word, calling on peaceful Muslims to "refudiate" the project.

It's too bad they're wrong. The debate over the so-called ground zero mosque, which is neither a mosque nor at ground zero, is certainly a cause for anger and outrage. But it's not because some Americans want to exercise their constitutionally guaranteed right to worship freely. Rather it's troubling as an expression of a new Know-Nothingism that is infecting our politics, especially on the demagogic right.

The phrase "ground zero mosque" conjures images of a minaret-adorned structure sprouting on or abutting ground zero. But the truth is less provocative. The project is sponsored by the Cordoba Initiative, a group whose stated mission is to achieve an "atmosphere of interfaith tolerance and respect" among Muslims, Christians, and Jews. The $100 million building they want to construct, called Park51 (for its address on Park Place) is not a mosque as such, but rather a community center with a restaurant, a swimming pool, a performing arts center, and, yes, prayer space. (Muslims, by the way, already gather weekly in the existing building to pray. Should they be barred from doing so?)

And it's not at ground zero. Park Place is a small street two blocks north of where the twin towers stood. The intervening blocks have buildings taller than the planned center. Someone standing at ground zero, in other words, would not be aware of Park51's existence; though when the Freedom Tower finally rises from the World Trade Center's footprints, it will be visible throughout most of lower Manhattan and beyond. Park51 will be just another building in what Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a defender of the project, called the "diverse and dense" city.

The symbolism of a Muslim community center being just another building in the shadow of the Freedom Tower is one we should embrace. It speaks to our diversity and the strength of our ideals. It's certainly more attractive than that of political leaders in the world's most powerful nation rallying to deny its most fundamental rights to a tiny minority.

Opponents say that Park51's mere proximity to ground zero is an intentional political statement, and it almost certainly is. It says that not all Muslims are radical killers and thugs, and that Islamic moderates won't be cowed into letting terrorists be the face of their religion. Isn't that what we've wanted?

Certainly it's a provocative message, one that will incite rage in Osama bin Laden and his ilk. Interfaith tolerance and respect are the last things on their agenda. So why are the likes of Palin, Gingrich, and Giuliani taking up bin Laden's cause?

Perhaps because the distinction between the terrorists and the religion, which George W. Bush was so careful to make after 9/11, is no longer operative. But it bears repeating. The fact that all the 9/11 terrorists were Muslim does not make all Muslims terrorists, any more than the fact that Ku Klux Klansmen are avowedly Christian makes all Christians white supremacists. The problem isn't religion but fanaticism.

Indeed, the Park51 debate is symptomatic of a new nativist fanaticism emerging in certain quarters of our politics. You can also see it in Murfreesboro, Tenn., where plans for a Muslim community center (or mosque, as its critics call it) were a hot issue in the Republican gubernatorial primary. One candidate, Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey, suggested that First Amendment protections for freedom of religion might not apply to Muslims. "Now, you could even argue whether being a Muslim is actually a religion, or is it a nationality, way of life, a cult, whatever you want to call it," he said in a campaign appearance, a video of which was posted last month on YouTube.

And the trend is evident in recent calls to deal with a new phantom menace, sharia, or Islamic law. Ramsey, who placed a distant third in his primary Thursday, also talked about the danger of sharia gaining power in this country. It's an admittedly imbecilic fear but it's one shared by legislators in Oklahoma, who will likely put on November's ballot a referendum pre-emptively barring state courts from using sharia, and in Iowa where the GOP party platform weighs in against "any effort" to implement it in this country. This illusory threat has gained enough credence that Gingrich, speaking at the American Enterprise Institute last month, described it as a "mortal threat to the survival of freedom in the United States."

And it's not just Muslims who demagogues are demonizing. There's the hysteria over the supposed crime-soaked tide of illegal immigrants pouring across the southern border and the federal response to illegal immigration. Consider that violent crime rates in border states have declined in recent years and that this year the administration deported a record number of criminal aliens.

No matter. This is the politics of fear, not the politics of fact. It's a politics that targets, most simply, "they," whether they're from a different faith or a different country. They're everywhere—even the president was born in Kenya, we're told. So be afraid, and stay that way.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 911; 911mosque; 911victorymosque; elitists; groundzeromosque; islam; muslimarmory; victorymosque; wot
I wonder when this POS will sell for $1, like Newsweek just did.
1 posted on 08/11/2010 2:32:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Saudis have been buying a stake in Western media.

The Saudis are also building the world largest clocktower and situating it in the world’s second tallest building. It just so happens to be in Mecca, a segregated city with a standing death penalty for any sub-human non-muslim who’d dare enter. AND they would like to make Mecca the new standard for time in the world.

No imperialist goals, my a&&.

Cordorba your New Mecca if you want, but don’t expect me to buy the lies about the motive.


2 posted on 08/11/2010 2:35:32 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Certainly it's a provocative message, one that will incite rage in Osama bin Laden and his ilk. Interfaith tolerance and respect are the last things on their agenda. So why are the likes of Palin, Gingrich, and Giuliani taking up bin Laden's cause?

LOL

Adolph Hitler was a vegetarian and hated harming animals. Why do American vegetarians take up Hitler's cause?

3 posted on 08/11/2010 2:40:55 PM PDT by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What garbage. I’d call 1 in 10 residents being here illegally, an invasion. Real Americans are sick of the class warfare being waged against them by the elites.


4 posted on 08/11/2010 2:42:40 PM PDT by freedomfiter2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Gimme a break. Maybe the author is secretly relishing thte thought of being fitted for his man-burqa.

These people make me sick. BTW, I didn’t realize that the Muslims were ALREADY having their “prayers” at 51 Park.


5 posted on 08/11/2010 2:45:11 PM PDT by livius
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Islam is a religion which has its own laws, its own army and it own stated expansionist agenda. It treats non-believers as less-than-fully-human. Those who treat this as a freedom of religion issue are naive fools. Talk about your ‘know-nothings’.


6 posted on 08/11/2010 2:51:42 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nativism: only okay when Palestinians do it. And Atzlan.


7 posted on 08/11/2010 2:52:36 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (I can see November from my house.)
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To: livius

Muslims build mosques to symbolize conquests and they have for centuries. Look at Hagia Sophia and the Temple of the Rock. The elites make assumptions based on their own ideologies rather than that of our enemies.


8 posted on 08/11/2010 2:52:53 PM PDT by JMS
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
N A T I V I S T
and proud of it you globalist spouting peckerheads

what the hell is wrong with continuing to honor our
fellow citizens who were slaughtered on 09/11/2001
are we to welcome those whose culture honors those
who flew aircraft into our World Trade Center as if
we are only automotons unable to grasp
the world around us
NOT gonna happen

the day a synagogue is built facing Mecca is
the day I agree to a Mosque near ground zero

9 posted on 08/11/2010 2:54:42 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's not Rs vs Ds you dimwits. It's Cs vs Ls. Cut the crap & lets build for success, not failure.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The project is sponsored by the Cordoba Initiative, a group whose stated mission is to achieve an “atmosphere of interfaith tolerance and respect” among Muslims, Christians, and Jews.”

Well, if the Muslims say it’s about interfaith tolerance and respect, who on earth could challenge such a noble minded undertaking. After all, Muslims never lie especially when it comes to dealing with the infidel. That it’s all about understanding and respect is no doubt the reason they’ve chosen the name Cordoba, a name closely aligned with Muslim tolerance.

Schlesinger will make a dandy dhimmi.


10 posted on 08/11/2010 2:55:25 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Tendentious.

Spare us your lectures.

Who decides what memorial is to be placed at Ground Zero? Us or foreigners?

How unifying is this if 65% of polled Americans want it out?

How sensitive are they to Americans if we told them we do not want it?

Why did their spiritual leader, Abdul Rauf, say that ‘America was an accessory’ to 9/11?

Blame the victim, blame America first. We need to hear that piece of spit tell us that 9/11 was our fault, and then he is going to lecture us on bigotry.

Why can’t he be honest about Hamas? Why can’t he be honest about the money?

If Rauf wants to help, go to Egypt, India, Sudan and Saudi Arabia and other places where Muslims collect and where they are murdering Christians, and teach them about diversity, we really don’t need you and your lectures in New York City. We invented diversity. You only eliminate it wherever you go.

How dare you come here, to this site and lecture us on bigotry and diversity. You have far more murderers killing under your banner whom you need to speak with, before building your “monument” here.

Don’t you have some women to stone today? Get the hell out of here!


11 posted on 08/11/2010 2:56:15 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

...the people who see racist boogeymen under every rock can’t possibly understand why a Mosque two blocks from Ground Zero would offend anyone.

Give me a break...


12 posted on 08/11/2010 2:57:03 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

More people stand against the Mosque than read that rag.

No worries.


13 posted on 08/11/2010 2:57:48 PM PDT by HonestConservative (Remember; You can't spell Mohammed without HAM.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cluelessness, thy name is Robert Schlesinger.\
US News and World Report, another magazine they have to give away to keep up their circulation numbers.


14 posted on 08/11/2010 3:00:02 PM PDT by supremedoctrine ("Every election is like an advance auction sale of stolen goods"--H.L.Mencken)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This screed appeared in USN&WR. Makes you wonder about USN&WR -- is Mort Zuckerman slipping?
15 posted on 08/11/2010 3:02:04 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"'Ground Zero Mosque' Controversy Shows America's New Nativism (Elites say we're "know-nothings")"

Yeah, but we're well armed know-nothings, so they'd better watch their step.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

16 posted on 08/11/2010 3:03:42 PM PDT by wku man (Steel yourselves, patriots, and be ready. Won't be long now....)
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To: JMS
Muslims build mosques to symbolize conquests and they have for centuries. Look at Hagia Sophia and the Temple of the Rock.

Hagia Sophia was taken away from the Christians as an act of conquest, but it was built by the noble Justinian.

A better example of a "victory mosque" in Istanbul is the Blue Mosque. It was built on the scale of Hagia Sophia for exactly the reasons you cite.

17 posted on 08/11/2010 3:06:57 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the intention of Cordoba Project was interfaith co-operation, well, its too late for that. I am sure if they were serious, they could have avoided the publicity stunt.

On the other hand, exactly what radius would reduce this from being offensive to constitutionally permitted right. Rash statements would be none, nowhere, outside US, Saudi Arabia, hell, etc. But still, at exactly what distance would this stop being stab in the heart?

If these people are praying there now, then are they going to revamp the existing building to build a new mosque? Was it always there, and just getting publicity now?


18 posted on 08/11/2010 3:07:43 PM PDT by True_Kon
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To: lentulusgracchus

Thanks, I didn’t mean that they had built it - otherwise it would not be known as Hagia Sophia.


19 posted on 08/11/2010 3:10:20 PM PDT by JMS
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To: JMS
Dynamiting the minarets at Hagia Sophia....would be sooooo sweet.
20 posted on 08/11/2010 3:17:21 PM PDT by BenLurkin (Will must be the harder, courage the bolder, spirit must be the more, as our might lessens.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is typical leftist elitist nonsense, rendered by a guy who makes it clear that he considers the opposition to the Cordoba mosque simply religious bigotry based on sheer stupidity. Well, in Robert Schlesinger's little world, what else could it possibly be?

According to Schlesinger, we're all frightened of 'others' and too stupid to see the wonderful benefits of having a defiant symbol of Islam adjacent to Ground Zero. It's no big deal to Robert and of course, he tries to wrap the issue in a false 'freedom of worship' burqua, ignoring the fact that there are many Muslim mosques in Manhattan. No one is stopping Muslims from worshiping at any of them. We're just asking that another mosque not be built at this specific location. Of course, that would be too easy. Schlesinger has to seek and find 'hidden' motivations for opposition to the mosque, including, (what else?) religious bigotry. Yeah, Robert, that must be it. You moron.

The willful insensitivity and disconnect from reality of leftists is writ large in this piece by Robert Schlesinger, in a 'news' magazine that few bother to read anymore. In fact, this thread on FR may be the most exposure this article ever gets. Too bad the article is blatantly fallacious. Oh well, consider the source.

21 posted on 08/11/2010 3:22:26 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: DoughtyOne

BTTT


22 posted on 08/11/2010 3:22:33 PM PDT by afnamvet (Patriots Rising)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What’s the point of this bizarre article? Lie down and die, so the muslims can take over without having to murderously annilate us? Don’t protest as they impose the torture of sharia upon us? I think this author needs to wake up and smell the coffee. I am woman hear me roar! It’s time to wake up and be intolerant of intolerant ideologies. As much as I fear their bad behavior, I fear surrender by tolerating their wicked ideologies even more.


23 posted on 08/11/2010 3:25:16 PM PDT by This I Wonder32460
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.washingtonian.com/block_dbimages/13981/05.01.08.CC.Schlesinger.jpg


24 posted on 08/11/2010 3:25:38 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: afnamvet

Thanks for your service to our nation AFNamVet.


25 posted on 08/11/2010 3:25:54 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's not Rs vs Ds you dimwits. It's Cs vs Ls. Cut the crap & lets build for success, not failure.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Robert Schlesinger is opinion editor at U.S. News and World Report, a liberal blogger on Thomas Jefferson Street and the Huffington Post, and writes a biweekly column for U.S. News. He is the youngest son of the late historian Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. and the youngest brother of Stephen Schlesinger.


26 posted on 08/11/2010 3:27:03 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Robert Schlesinger is opinion editor at U.S. News and World Report, a liberal blogger on Thomas Jefferson Street and the Huffington Post, and writes a biweekly column for U.S. News. He is the youngest son of the late historian Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. and the youngest brother of Stephen Schlesinger.


27 posted on 08/11/2010 3:27:13 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: bereanway

Follow the money.


28 posted on 08/11/2010 3:35:59 PM PDT by kabar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

At least us “know nothings” don’t have our heads up the @sses of the Kennedys like a Schlesinger! Except for his name he would be unknown.
It’s not what you know, it’s who you know especially in the world of politics and this idiot proves it!

Schlesinger came to U.S.News & World Report as a freelancer and blogger for a variety of publications, including Salon.com, Economist.com, the Huffington Post, and the New York Times Magazine


29 posted on 08/11/2010 3:43:14 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: DoughtyOne

Thanks D1.


30 posted on 08/11/2010 4:12:47 PM PDT by afnamvet (Patriots Rising)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“, also talked about the danger of sharia gaining power in this country. It’s an admittedly imbecilic fear “
An imbecilic sentence written by an imbecile, Perhaps they don’t read what goes on in England and the rest of Europe to a lesser extent.


31 posted on 08/11/2010 4:26:28 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I was shocked to read this in USN&WR.

I didn't know they were still in business.

32 posted on 08/11/2010 5:01:12 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: wiggen
What about that Funny little German with that goofy mustache, talking about how Germany wasn't defeated in The Great War?Heck didn't Charlie Chaplin do a movie on him not so long ago?

That guy is nut he would never go up against Great Britain the Most Powerful Navy in the World, so you all on the Right need to stop your war mongering, and your attacks on Il Duce too he is a great man.

I don't think I need a /Sarc tag

33 posted on 08/11/2010 5:02:01 PM PDT by KC_Lion (Lord help our Armed Service members that they not become pawns in Hussein's quest to destroy America)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Actually, I don't know what the big deal is either.

New Yorkers have given us people like Charles Schumer, Hitlery Clinton, Anthony Weiner, Geraldine Ferraro. The list is endless.

They've lied (laid? layed?) down with dogs for years and now they piss and moan when they wake up with fleas?

Screw 'em.

34 posted on 08/11/2010 5:03:20 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Liberals have a willing suspension of REALITY.


35 posted on 08/11/2010 5:28:48 PM PDT by jdsteel (CONGRESS: Take it again in twenty ten.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“which is neither a mosque nor at ground zero”

BULL SHIITE!


36 posted on 08/11/2010 5:40:33 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Where’s that pic of Kent Brockman saying “I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.”

Someone should change the caption to read: “I, for one, welcome our new muslim overlords.”

This dipsheet writer will make a useful tool for our future socialist, democrat, one-world-government, muslim masters.


37 posted on 08/11/2010 6:43:24 PM PDT by Siegfried
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They've lied (laid? layed?) down with dogs for years

Probably you meant they "have lain down with dogs", but your first try looks like a well-aimed pun to me.

38 posted on 08/11/2010 6:51:26 PM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: a fool in paradise

Don’t be too worried about that mosque in GZ. It will be taken down by a cargo jet that “lost control” loaded with jp-4 and other chemicals when mixed together will provide a 3000 deg temp.


39 posted on 08/11/2010 9:12:32 PM PDT by BobS
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama’s State Dept. is helping to promote the building of the Ground Zero Mosque, by providing Saudi Imam Rauf a taxpayer funded trip around the Middle East, so he can rally the Islamic States to fund the 100 million dollar NYC “Ground Zero Cordoba Mosque:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/feds_funding_zero_imam_mideast_trip_OTq9dmoHpxbaKvJbB4VLGM

Feds funding Ground Zero imam’s Mideast trip


40 posted on 08/12/2010 2:54:27 AM PDT by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger than yours)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This article lays bare the elitist mind all too willing to believe the enemy while holding his countrymen in contempt. He’d sell his own mother to save his skin and then look in the mirror and say what a fine fellow he was. There’s a rung in hell reserved for people like this.


41 posted on 08/12/2010 3:21:19 AM PDT by hershey
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“the danger of sharia gaining power in this country. It’s an admittedly imbecilic fear”

_____________________________________________

No, it isn’t. It’s not an “imbecilic” fear at all. It’s a grave danger.


42 posted on 08/12/2010 4:53:16 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (my former tagline "We can, and we will prevail" doesn't fit with the usurper's goals.)
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To: afnamvet

You bet...


43 posted on 08/12/2010 5:33:04 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (It's not Rs vs Ds you dimwits. It's Cs vs Ls. Cut the crap & lets build for success, not failure.)
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To: FBD

The Obama Islamic State Department is promoting theocracy then.


44 posted on 08/12/2010 8:24:09 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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...just another building in the shadow of the Freedom Tower is one we should embrace. It speaks to our diversity and the strength of our ideals. It's certainly more attractive than that of political leaders in the world's most powerful nation rallying to deny its most fundamental rights to a tiny minority.

I usually hyave a strong stomach, but I had to stop reading here becasuse I had to go barf.

After a year and a half of repeated assaults, my bullshit* meter is wearing out...

U.S. News and World Report??!!??

Neither news nor any kind of report.

The violin music in the background gave the game away..

45 posted on 08/12/2010 10:09:58 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: a fool in paradise
...AND they would like to make Mecca the new standard for time in the world.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

I can see it now.
Sandmaggot Standard Time...

46 posted on 08/12/2010 10:53:27 PM PDT by Publius6961 ("In 1964 the War on Poverty Began --- Poverty won.")
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To: Publius6961

600A.D. all the time


47 posted on 08/13/2010 10:32:39 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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